Not Passing Bread Hand To Hand - Mishna Berura Daf Hashavua Siman 167 Seif 16-19

progress. >> Good morning, friends. We're continuing in Mishnah Berurah Daf Hashavua. We're learning Siman kuf samach zayin. By the way, we are about to begin in the new year uh Pas Hababah Kisin We'll see when we start. So, make sure you tell your friends, your family to join us for Mishnah Berurah Daf Hashavua to learn Hilchos Pas Hababah Kisin Siman tes zayin. Ein Habotzei'a rasha'i l'havotzei'a. The one who breaks the bread is not allowed to break the bread ad she'yichleh amen mipiy ro'iv ha'onim until the majority of the responders answer amen. You don't have to wait for every last straggler. You know, you have the people that they they're delay they you know, they're spacing out because their phone is on them on off, so they're distracted. So, and they answer late. You don't have to wait for those guys. You only have to wait until ad she'yichleh amen mipiy ro'iv ha'onim. Says Mishnah Berurah in Habotzei'a ein um motzi'im yedei chovas um bracha if he's being motzi them. Amen mipiy ro'iv she'gam ani as amen miklal bracha hi. Because even answering amen is part of the bracha. What? Even answering amen is part of the bracha? Is that that really the case? Wasn't that the the Rama? Because the Mechaber said in Safed, you should say hamotzi lechem min haaretz. The maran mesubim yichavnu libam leshmaia bracha veyano amen. And the Mishnah Berurah explained da'anias amen gam kein miklal brachi. I you already made the bracha by answering amen, it's chashuv yotzei. Therefore, you should be mechaven lotzeis ba'anias amen. I am Be'er Halacha, do you remember that Be'er Halacha? Where we where we said that uh it's from the Darkei Tshuva and the Or Zarua. Now, even though the Be'er Halacha said even though this is brought in the Yerushalmi, in no other place is this found. Uve'emes kol hamvarech ba'atzmo eizo bracha ein tzorech l'amen klal u'klal. Baderech avos ha'inayim amen harei zeh bor. And the conclusion of the Be'er Halacha was Uvaruch Hashem shematza davar acher b'sefer Shugos Ha'ari gam kein rishus. He had a different girsah in the Yerushalmi. And yet here, even the machaber is saying that the amen is part of the bracha. And here it comes from Rashi. What do you mean it's part of the bracha? Not part of my bracha. Why don't I need to wait to break the bread until you answer amen? What do you got Why do you have to wait for you? So, Mishnah Berurah says, no, it's miklal the bracha. So, is this supportive of that din of the Rama that the Be'er Halacha said, I don't know where he got it from. They're different There's another girsah in the Yerushalmi. So, there's no basis for that. Or is it only there's no basis that you need to be mechaven to be yotzei with the amen of the Oinim, but everybody agrees that Amen is Meklaw the Bracha. But the minority, they're gargling during their Amen. You don't have to wait for them to call Amen. Anyone who answers with a elongated Amen is only making a mistake. The Boytza sticks out his hand first to the plate to eat. If you want to let someone else take before him, he's allowed to. Whether they just gave him permission to be Boytza. So then he sticks his hand first. The Kivan once they gave you the cover to make the Bracha first for the Boytza and to be Boytza it is right to that you should stretch out your hand to the plate first. >> [snorts] >> The Boytza puts the piece of bread in front of each person. Everyone takes it in their hand. avel. You do not hand the bread directly to someone else's hand unless he's a mourning. Okay? So, you put the bread down in front of him. You do not hand it to his hand. Why only if he's an avel? Cuz the possuk says in Eicha, remes lafrusas hamotzi. It's a remes to the piece of hamotzi she noisenin biadai bishas aveilus that you place into someone's hand during aveilus. Says Mishna Berura aveilus yizrok chaticha hamotzi al hashulchan ochelim. Do not throw the bread. Afilu im lo nimnas hamachli de'azrika, even if the bread does not become disgusting by throwing it, don't throw it. Place it. So, let's say the guy's on the other side of the table and you can't place it. Then you pass it on a plate. But, do not pass it hand to hand. Aside from the fact that maybe the bread will fall into some dip. Um it's also a bizayon for the mitzvah because hamotzi is a mitzvah. Remember, we had that svara before that perhaps that since bread is is is not necessarily just birchas hanenin and it's also in a way birchas hamotzi, there's an element of mitzvah to bread. On Shabbos, you cannot hand to the hand of an avel cuz otherwise it's aveilus befarhesya. It is not proper to hand it to someone's hand if they're not an avel so that it doesn't weaken his muscle. Now this Rav Vosner says is only the Hamotzi. If you want to pass gefilte fish in your hand, you know, you want to give out shurayim, then you could do that with in your hand. You could do that. >> I've seen people throw bread, like holy people. >> Have you ever seen someone bring a phone into a shul? Just wondering. >> Rabbi may have worked under this person as well. >> Yeah? Uh, I don't know. Mishnah Berurah says not to throw it. Yeah, it could be there's some kind of Hasidic thing, but up to halakha you can't do it. >> Does Mishnah Berurah give a reason for not handing hand to hand? What was the this last one? >> Yeah, because it's a sign of aveilus. Cuz we find in in Eicha, parsha tziyon biyadeha. It says by the by the churban, they would hand the bread hand to hand. >> [clears throat] >> Sif yud tes, misha inu oichel inu yochal u'varech birchas Hamotzi l'hotzi oichlin. Let's say a guy's not eating. The guy's on one of those diets. I don't know, the keto, you know, you'll have me at the South Beach diet. The guy's not eating any carbs. So, he but he wants to be motzi everyone else. No, no, no, no, no, he can't do that. If you're not eating, you can't be motzi. Aval l'ketanim yochal u'varech aval bisha'ino oichel k'dei l'chancho b'mitzvos u'virchas. Minors, you can make a bracha even if you're not eating to train them. Says Mishnah Berurah, inu yochal Even if the guy doesn't know how to make a bracha, he He read Hebrew. So, arvus. now you have no are of us. You have there's no such thing as are of us. You don't have to eat for your friend. You need to do mix. If he's obligated in a mitzvah, then you're obligated in the mitzvah. But, you don't you it's bad enough you have to eat for yourself. No, you don't worry about other people eating. It's enough you've already I have enough for yourself. Don't think about other people's eating. You do not uh have you cannot make um a bracha uh bracha hanenen for somebody if you're not eating. Even if the guy can't do it himself. Bracha hamotzi. Well, then bracha bracha hanenen. The dafka bracha hamitzvah shakal Yisrael are even za za this week's parsha. The haniglo slanu olvanenu. The hasha haver lo yotzi leya mitzvah. If your friend was in your to mitzvah have a ki lo hu layotza. Mi shamo yochal lo heitzi a filu hu kvar yotzi leya mitzvah. Therefore, you could be meitzi him even though you already yotzi mashin. Can be bracha hanenen she af al pi she hin choyva al hanenen levarech. Even though the one who's getting enjoyment is obligated to make the bracha, the osur lehanes me olam zeh blei bracha. You're not allowed to take pleasure from this world without a blessing. Be kama miyada she lehanes levarech. But, that guy could also not get pleasure and not make the bracha. Oisur she inenena. Therefore, he who is not getting benefit He's not called obligated in this bracha. The Ein lechaman siman kuf tzadi zayin sef dalid be mishnah brurah leinyan bracha hamotzi. By the way, the mishnah brurah says even though mi deoraisa you could be meitzi someone in bracha hamotzi even if you didn't eat, mi derabonan you're not allowed to. So, by bracha hanenen you can't do it at all and by benching mi derabonan you can't. Av lechtanim [snorts] you could make the bracha. What about katanim? Someone else's kid. I don't have to I don't have to um train someone else's kid. So, am I allowed to make a bracha? Or what about a a mother? Do you know that a mother does not have a mitzvah of chinuch? Don't tell anybody. The mitzvah of chinuch is on the father, not on the mother, according to most opinions. According to most shitas, chinuch is only on a father, not on a mother. It's a big sugia in Shas, but l'maaseh, the mitzvah of chinuch is on the father. So, could a mother make a bracha with a kid? I don't know. But, now he's talking about a man with someone else's kid. Gam ken muttar l'varech im im kashrus m'hales v'ein yod'im b'atzman. You could. >> They say arvus that the other person's mitzvah, so you could do it. >> There's no arvus on a kid. The kid doesn't have a chiyuv to do it. >> other the other father, whoever whoever is mechuyav to mechanech that child. Someone's someone's mechuyav to mechanech them. >> He's mechuyav to mechanech them, but he's not mechuyav in in the bracha. >> Whoever is mechuyav to teach that child the bracha, that's who you It's arvus for that. >> I don't know if that transfers. Maybe I you have arvus on that, but that doesn't mean that now you're mechuyav in the bracha. You might be mechuyav to ensure that he is mechanech his kid. Amuch, I'm responsible to make sure you're you train that kid, but that doesn't mean I'm responsible for that kid. It's Okay. Gam ken muttar l'varech im suddenly if they're members of your household. For [clears throat] adults, I feel they basically even members of your own household not me lie. You can't do it. If your kid needs you to make the brocha, he does not do it himself and he's already over bar mitzvah, you can't do it for him. Later on in Siman Taf Ad Mishnah Berurah says that if you want to teach your friend to make a brocha and you say it with him word by word and your friend will answer Baruch Baruch Atah Atah It's It's okay. It's not a brocha l'vatala. The Shulchan Aruch explains that I we say over here l'gedolim, you're not allowed to make the brocha. That's if you're saying it for them mitzvat brocha. I'm being motzi you. Oh, wait, I'm motzi you. I'm not chayav in it. I can't be motzi. I can't transfer it. I'm allowed to teach you and I can even say Hashem's name. But for me to say it, it won't transfer to you. It can only transfer to you if I'm muchuyav and I'm not muchuyav just because you want to eat an apple. I'm not muchuyav in ha'eitz. You hear the cheilek? Okay, we'll hold it over here. >> Recording stopped.