Kashering Your Kitchen

we're going to go to crimes warts executive vice president of the Avadh of Queens who has come to us live from his kitchen with the night ght sign will be now going through some ways to copy your kitchen your house your Caleb for Pesach I'm Kiera yeah here you could everybody hear me yep okay the first and foremost I like to yeah first and foremost twice in the play of Sonya I like to thank my wife for give me her kitchen on a busy Sunday night before face up and allowing us to take it over and teach show you how to kasher I also want to thank the video producer and director my son schmoly who's on the other side of the camera I want to thank Rabbi Elif I really like putting this together and I also of course want to give my biggest thanks to elephant for giving the share he gave and to hear his voice again as I have every year before Pesach when the yo-you has their their face off she or him and the things that come out and unfortunately absolutely in the setting but Hashem were able to modern technology come together so the first problem that one faces especially those who have never made face up before is the anxiety and the panic of kashering for Pesach I just want to tell you don't have anxiety don't have panic if has all told us and tells us all of us that you can kasher and tells us what to do so that means you can do it too you're all capable of doing it the most important thing is to do it when you're calm and to do it when you're ready to do it and to do it when nothing else is happening you need full attention and you need to be ready to do it well and safely safety is the utmost importance when it comes to cash ring I can tell you from all the years of kashering in different places the scars and bruises and burns and it does not have to be that way you can do it slowly carefully calmly and unfortunately this year we have a lot of time so we can really do it right we're not in a rush so the first thing I want to direct your attention to is to ubiquitous oven that everybody here has we can get our videographer to check so of course over here we have an oven so half-point bay by GE and how we doing over here we got it and this is clean of it in order to get a soft clean oven ready for Pesach all one has to do is such a self-cleaning button press Start and then let it go that will capture your oven that will cost your oven and that will make a crust lipase off turn that off over here now before you do something up and it's very important that you want to make sure that the air in the kitchen is it's not ventilated it's probably a good idea to make sure that the children are not around because it will be fumes coming up open the back door open your kitchen windows make sure that there's a lot of insulation because it will get a little bit greasy the snow will come up the fumes will come out it's not so fish mark it's not so much fun you want to do it in the time when the kids are not going to be in the kitchen you want to make sure that there is good ventilation now what happens if the person does not have self clean oven which is in Queens I know it's a lot of young couples especially in caelis territory mow which is a co-sponsor and there's been a lot of questions what to do with a non self clean oven so it's very very easy what you want to do is you want to get into the oven we can just pan over here make sure you take that take out the take out the the shelves you want to use either samer it's through Easy Off I recommend sambar it's as less fumes and easy off is very heavy on the lungs and especially what's going on right now with the köppen 19 which is an upper respiratory infection maybe it's better to stay with you want to take out you want take out the shelves you want to clean them well do it over the sink or take them outside on the porch if you have one wipe them down well this is your best friend when it comes to cleaning shelves schmatta you wanted to use the schwa so you want to clean it well you want to clean the glass here in the oven you want to clean the inside of the oven as well as possible and then what you're going to do is we're going to turn the oven on as high as it goes with its 450 or 500 we in the vide we recommend at least two hours to do it if there's a royal setting you can leave that on as well and let it go for about two hours and then you'll be costard now there isn't Michael except my skin what to do about the glass from a welcher ice told me that he would like he prefers that and the fact that we have is that the glass be covered if you do not have a self-cleaning oven and that's because the self-cleaning oven will cash or the glass sensibly but a non self-cleaning oven they won't necessarily get everything passionate so therefore after you cap the across actually the 40% oven you want to take a take heavy-duty aluminum foil you want to cover the glass make sure the aluminum foil comes around to the front tape it down here and then you're ready to go now a lot of people are able to buy new silverware pretty empty a lot of people are not so how do you capture silver so let's go to the videotape let's go right here could you see this is a pot this is a common spot if I want to take a comics pack and cash your silverware in it I first have to the cashier the common spot so we've already started here with the pot we put the water in but the first thing a person has to do any time you're kashering something which which means either label or Gullah and Irish your miss leaving out about the oven that the oven has to be cleaned and then it has to be left for 24 hours unless you're doing a self clean a self queen is a leap of gummer leave when Gomberg does not need 24 hours because everything is getting burnt so again let me go over that if you're doing a leap on Gomberg you don't need 24 hours of a clean oven if you're not doing a leave on Gummer you're doing a non self cleanup which is really a legal cow you have to clean the oven let it sit for 24 hours then you can run it at the highest temperature for two hours to two and at bars when it comes to posturing Calum comes across your silverware so what we want to do with that is we want to first if we're going to take - huh mystical path we have to cash in the comments to go back yeah to clean the pot make sure it's hundred percent clean let it sit for 24 hours make sure it's dry and then we have to put hot water the way you see it right now and boil it in the pot we got the we have the pot now right now the water is boiling that's called malla of a glaze that means it's a rolling boil the water is coming up just have me a boil on the bottom of the pot it's not enough you have to have male voice the bubbles have to be rising have to be continuously coming up and going down coming up and going down now just getting the water in here is not enough I need to get the water over the sides and I need to use it you need to be able to get the whole pot kosher so what a person you do is you could take a rock or there's something that they sell they may have a gift world or others form if you can get there from their Mitzvah and that's this which is a Evan will Lubin it's a hot stone and we're going to do is you're going to put it in over the sides now it's kosher now let's capture music so now do we catch in the pot comet stick a pot so now we can go to concert somewhere now if a person wants to use a paste I'll take a pot like we have over here play so think of that so then all one has to do is fill it let the water bubble and then you do the following procedure as you can tell we got the water bubbling again but you just get the we have that bubbling there so what you want to do is you want to take the spoon or the fork or the knife or whatever it is one by one again make sure it's clean and has news in 24 hours that's 300 clean has to be dry and then what you do is you drop it in for the water and it's kosher now it's culture making sure when you're doing all of your silver that that water has to be malla of a voice that bubbles those bubbles have to keep on coming up if it's not bubbling if it's just like this and let's give it an example this is not good enough Turkish right this is not considered my lot of boys this is not a voice as you can see but the water is rising after done with that how lucky' tells us that the water that the aquiline has to go and they have to be supported at the hot water it's a cold water excuse me rinsed in cold water so you'll pour out water then let's talk about the countertops and the sinks so now there are I've seen many many ways and and ideas when it comes to capturing sinks unfortunately not everybody has it correct and I hope to be able to give it to you in the best way possible the most important thing is to do it the right way to do it the safe way many people don't know what the right way is and if you know what the right way is I don't know if the safe way is now you might notice that I'm wearing gloves these are something called linesman's blots they're very expensive lines men's gloves are gloves for electric workers that are going on the lines you know the cherry pickers that you'll see and the electric lines above this is called the lines in above and it can withstand X amount of watts or X amount of volts going through Walt volts going through when they're up there on the on the lines so they're called lines in these blocks in an industrial cash ring we'll stick our hand into the water because we have heavy equipment that needs to be Kashuk or heavy things that you can't just you can't just drop in you have to push in one other thing that I want to point out and I'm sorry toss me the the classroom the when fastening the hot then you want to cross a little top so what one does is you have the rolling boil and then we take the cover and in the hot water you slowly go around and that's the cost of the whole thing then you put it upside down you've got the top now I don't like controversy I don't a countertop many people don't realize that when I pass her the Kailua which means the water that's being pulled a pouring in water that's being poured out of the spout the Khilafah swill cashiers so let me give an example if i kashering with a pumpkin crush Molly this is a hot water is used for coffee a water heater so this is the best thing to use and the reason is because if you look inside you'll see that there's a hot water element there's the metal element that element that element suffice is as a evident illumine everyone blue means a hot stone that we used before and that hot stone we're worried that when the water comes off the fire it cools down so what we want to make sure is that with the water stays hot and also tells us because a double bush something which was something which was a solid might have touched the the sea or the countertop so therefore we have to be able to make sure that the water is hot enough that it's boiling I know we have to get the right classroom so now when you're casually you're capturing the the whatever it is you're capturing your passion is stovetop you can see you're catching the same the quinoa whatever the class touches that's what get captured the water that runs down it's not what cashiers the sink so therefore if we're looking at the at the countertop it's only the key lock where I'll make you look that's where the contouring is taking place so therefore a person if they're cashing the fact that the water runs down past where you poured their initial pouring on that's not the cash or the sink doesn't get classroom or the countertop doesn't get past the cash ring only happens when you really key Lua where the water coming out where that puts the actual surface so therefore one has to make sure that he gets every single part of the every single part of the stovetop four of the same now that also goes for the backstop for the backwash backdrop I got their name right so if you're going to here this is how you do it you pour it pour pour it down so that now you're able to get they can you out from each part of it here doing it the key work on each part of course once one let's make sure the waters gonna come down make sure you have towels already now as we go to a sink what I'd find the best thing to do with the sink is that if you're able to have this from the near mitzva that makes this so then is the best thing and that's because what ends up happening is they're getting the whole sink is very hard so with the 8 inch if you take this you happy you can do it you pour it over now and now I got a very good classroom I got an e really on the sink on illumine which touched every part by the way the strainer that you have in the sink this is of course isn't just a demonstration but the strainer that you haven't seen which is comets dick it's not something which can be pastored you have to get a new one for Pesach what happens if you don't have one of these things what happens if you don't have these things so if you're allowed to go outside the best thing to do is to go if you have a what do we call this again not a wrench whatever it is wires take the pliers you'll heat up you'll be able to heat up the stone with your pliers make sure you have gloves some sort of gloves this is going to be very very hot don't touch it with your hands hold it out and then you'll be able to get a poor with your come from cash moly with your hot water or you'll be able to pour with this now I've seen the people what they'll do is made videos using this the poor would it's very difficult to tour with two hands and together right to get it everywhere the best thing to do is where you have a handle and you're not touching to actual pot you're not talking the actual law I need a handle especially if you have a pot like this where it's a little bit wide so now you're able to get more of an area it's hot especially if you have this so now what it does is it will spray the water around you'll have a better way of cash finally when it comes to cash from the sink you want to always start if you don't have the the stone you want to start from the bottom wanna start from the bottom and then work your way up so that way you know that way you know two things number one you know that you can body number two maybe the what ends up happening is that your that the assured area it's cool ready and it's not going to affect the pasture area are you taking care of one last thing that person has to know is that is about the stout so this spout is some has a plastic edge at the end has a plastic every either at the end this is very hard to catch or very hard to get clean so what we do is we remove it for Pesach take it off and we get we have a new one you know Amazon think you can get an am site and go and get it it might not be so easy but in most years be able to go and get a new one if you can't or you have a regular spout that has an aerator on it so what you want to do with the following you want to take you want to take the water that you cache it with you want to pour it over the sink again making sure the kulaks hates tapes every part and then with the water still bubbling you want to put the aerator the spout into the water into the pot where the water's lovely and now you have a good tax rate for everything here in the kitchen it's not as hard as it looks it's very very easy and it's very very easy but the most important thing is to be safe to be calm do it at a time are you ready to do it and of course if you have any questions feel free to get in touch with us my cell phone number is three four seven six eight oh two six oh three again three four seven six eight oh two six oh three or you can reach me at C Schwartz at Queens ROG org against each Ward's of Queensland org and just want to wish everybody a very happy and healthy culture some math so those you who were doing it for the first time we all had to do it the first time we all had to make a face off the first time the first time for everything and the most important thing is that you should be safe you should be healthy and happy the phone number again it's three four seven six eight oh two six zero three three four seven six eight zero two six zero three I hope it was clear hope everybody was able to see how the cashier for Pesach and again my brother and I wish everybody yes a question that I soaked up okay actually trying if you don't mind there's a whole bunch of questions that we can if you have a couple of so we'd like to go through sure if you could just fix this over here first one was people wanted to know about cashing this stuff the Hadi cashiers toe stop doesn't need to be covered what about the knobs that a person should stop over here you cannot construe this is ceramic you can't be Kashar so what you want to do is you want to cover it with foil now you want to make sure that when you cover it with foil that you leave the area around the burners open if you're not gonna leave around the area around the burners open and you will not be able to announce table to use the oven the second thing that you want to make sure is you want to make sure that integrates if you have a big reminder email if you have a South Korean oven so the grates too into the oven before the self-cleaning cycle and that was actually great if you do not have a self so the best thing to do and again I've heard a lot of misinformation about this because it can get very dangerous the best thing to do is turn each of them on and I suggest you do it one at a time turn each of them on and let them go for about 40 minutes now I have heard about posting telling people to cover it with aluminum foil I'm very nervous to suggest that and that's because a person does not know what they're doing you can make pasta show them a tremendous amount of damage the best thing to do is to turn around as high as it goes let it go as high as it goes for about 15 minutes and 15 or 20 minutes and that will capture it again my suggestion each one is separate now where you have where you have a small one like here in the rear so the only thing I can really suggest is maybe take a small piece of foil make sure that when you take that small piece of foil and you cover it make sure you watch it but also you want to make sure that you mentally holes in it and that way I just want to try to go an order over here in terms of the self-cleaning ovens people wanted to know you have to cover over the glass or if you use self clean and some people heard that you're supposed to do a self cleaner than a second self clean right so do that you've done a legal Gummer and that's enough there are people who are rushing to cuneus have the minute to do one self cleaner to sell cleans of course as robably elephant said previously the person then they should do what the mother does but it's not necessary yes glass yeah glass no cops so it's the feeling of many pipes Kim that glass though tops you should turn on each each each each area in the stovetop turn Ron wait till it gets red getting as high as you can wait till it gets red soon it gets red then that's going to be enough one has to be very careful that when they are capturing the glass stovetop that they they don't use the area that's not going to be concert in other words that nothing that like a pot doesn't go into like this area of the glass no cup for two reasons number one because it wasn't pasture number two because if you had you're going to have liquid that gets inside that's going to be right in in an area where the with it where it straight and there you have right there you know Kalyn and Trey from comments you want to be careful there is a product on Amazon which they sell which is a metal it's like a metal a little plate they can put on top of that area you can put your pot on top I've heard that it's not as effective in in conducting the heat but if a person who's worried about that you can certainly get that another question that people ask me is what about the knobs do they need to be covered over on the though Oh so the knobs should be covered the best thing to do really is take to get new knobs today you can also go on Amazon you can get new now I'm not saying it's added then you have to do it but it's certainly something which is laudable what we do is here we we take them off we put them into like a cup or put them into like the helmet sticker comics like the CEO said I'm cup and we'll put them over there with bleach we'll let them sit for about an hour to get all the grime off then what you can do is you can take oil put a hole in stick it on and then you're good to go another thing I want to point that was up the mini column is the cover as much as you can anything expose them in the air you want to cover so therefore when it comes to like let's say the handle here on the oven you want to cover that as well why is that again because the minim is that anything which is exposed during the year you want to cover a lot of people have the minute also that even though the Kashar the south they cut they cover it as well because it's exposed there in the air big crowd they'll cover this the handle for the for the sink as well a lot of people will cover the one time when I was cutting my teeth and cashiers in this year I'm not before at though you used to have every year before they had webinars every year there was a question answer with the place to move no you I Boston and I remember one saying that there's nothing more beautiful in a Jewish home on Pesach then walking into a kitchen and seeing everything covered even though it's not the regular you know household way of kitchen itself either it's a beautiful thing become clear out that you have everything covered and taped and there's plastic everywhere and that's a hill going in for Pesach yes question so people are also asking do you need to clean the grates before you turn them on though you're talking about the top grades yeah yeah so for sure you have to clean the great otherwise you're gonna have yourself a grease fire now most of the time they are clean if you look at the grates over here we haven't particularly cleaned up report for this presentation but you'll see that the the grates are not terribly dirty and that would be enough to turn on the fire you can get it going and you'd also mentioned about putting the grates and self-cleaning ovens so some wanted to know is that all the greats or is it even the burners should be put into the self-cleaning oven no the burners do not need to put in so I mean you probably burn you talking about the burners these partners yeah continuously getting cash also if you put them into the South Queen you will ruin them you'll destroy them and that anything need to be done with the vent above the stove and the backsplash of the throat oh I'm very good very very good thank you for asking that question so a my kitchen over here notice that we have the microwave which is above the others now here's a there's that what happens is that the grease goes up one second the grease goes up so what we do is I clean it out and then what I'll do is I'll take heavy-duty Reynolds Wrap put it underneath and then we'll we'll tape it up why is that because it's very hard to get into this this this event on top of the oven there's a lot of grease that's always going up and it's very hard to get a clean and the problem is I'm paced up we don't want the hummus that degrees should come in to the food that we're cooking so what you do is you take heavy-duty foil you put it here now that comes with the problem the problem is if you have a small kitchen and it gets very hot so then the genre can lead to corner so the best thing to do is if you're going to put the foil up here you have to make sure that again that you ventilate it make sure there's holes in it so that it can get there is a fan in here you want to make sure that it's ventilated enough that the fan will be able to work so some other someone else also want to know is will oven thermometer get caution while the ovens in Kashar or do I need a new oven thermometer to face that so first you're always buying new iemon tamiya room for facebook and people want to know about covering the countertops you have to cash for them and then counter or cover them or with list enough to cover the countertops and they have to cash for them I'm sorry I questioned again again people are asking can I just cover the countertop stead of cautioning them or do they have to be caution and then covered no absolutely so yeah that's a very good question so in my first one once you're on that topic how do you cache if I formica countertops how do I capture that Formica so if you hold that you can cash it for mica which is my skin if you hold you can cash it for Micah so it would be the same we've done the same way that I showed you right now with pouring the water over the counter tops however many people cover the counter tops personally I cover the PAP's iran paisa and they're not exposed and that's that's what we do but even though we do probably count caps here in our home we do Kashar the counter tops first there's a very simple reason and that's because many times the counter tops get loose over Pesach there's water they get stuck underneath the tape gets loose and what happens is that sometimes the counter top can get exposed it's a counter top and get exposed something can touch it something hot can touch it and if it wasn't constant for Pesach then you're gonna hit a problem is it is it Malacca is it a terrible no it's not but like what my elephant said we want to be Malcolm you're on Pesach we want to try to get every possibility that we can so therefore my humble suggestion is that even if you're going to cover the the counters so the best thing is to construe them as best as you can of course if it's going to be hard filled it's an issue for you if it's if you're not confident in doing it so then of course covering the count drop is enough so the next question is do you have two cashiers think if you're using an insert so again it's the same thing because the you know if the insert because the insert it's not always a hundred percent foolproof and making start making sure the things going back up so there what happens is that you'll have the hot water touching the non-kosher eyes they stop saying now how much think coming back up into your insert now one thing I wrecked it to say is that when you do cash or your say you want to take bleach and pour it down your sink and that's for the reason I just said because if there's comets in there and the hot water hits the comets and for any reason there's a backup on Pesach so then you have a problem if you pour bleach down so now you've been the value made the hummus you made it you've made it you've soured the Comets you've made it valued at the fossil the Comets in a way where it's not a neurological Estela so now you don't have that issue my personal feeling and just from the from the experience that I've had or I shouldn't make me face up all these years is that it's always good I to capture as much as you can even if you're going to cover it even if you're gonna have an interview in the sink because you want to make sure that it back up or if the 50 if the covering for the table for the countertops comes off then you don't want you want to make sure that you're covered that even if it does touch the countertop that you use an act not come with any contact with something which is comments a couple of questions they're coming through you're staying right microwave can that be kasha for pizza and if so how so I don't I know that about me Raveena what's made it all made a video about microwave I'm not comfortable in in suggesting people to capture their microwave simply because I believe that it really needs to be done very well it needs to be cleaned very well and even capturing a plastic microwave is a very Mexican you know the price cream over the last 50 60 years a contouring the microwave they were not so crazy about it for somebody that has a situation somebody that again is an apartment and doesn't have a lot to their disposal to cook with or to eat up with or whatever your whatever your situation may be you can reach out to me privately and I can try to to guide you I I'm not keen on suggesting that one use a use a microwave on Pesach somebody else wanted to know that I'm gonna see what had come here can you use a okay how do you contra top plate especially the techid one I'm not familiar with the techid one well I will suggest you is that you the best way to catch our plate if you're going to use it and if you'll be able to get a clean getting a clean is very very difficult if you're able to get a clean so what I've seen that the recommendation is to clean it as best as possible make sure all the grease is off make sure all the crumbs are off grease everything it's all got to come off then you plug it in cover it with foil and let it run for an hour and then it'll be postured the same thing is with the black my suggestion is to get a new black for Pesach if you're on Main Street here in Queens there's they're watchman's and I saw an opossum in the blue season's airings they all have it they're all they're all they're stock with it but if you can't get out and get it for whatever reason again what you want to do is you want to clean the black as best as possible you want to put the black on top of the stove and you want to run it for again you got to watch it be got to make sure that it gets very very hot it turns it starts turning bluish and making sure that all the grease burns off if you're going to contrib left you're going to see that as soon as you start turning on the flame to a high temperature it's going to start smoking and the reason for that is is because there's grease in the black it is not cotton until all the smoke comes out because that is grease that's how much they can grease so my suggestion is especially if you're in a small apartment especially gonna have a lot of good ventilation especially if it was your first time try to get someone to get out and get them go and get a black feel and that's probably your best date it's probably the best idea okay couple questions were if you could recommend how to cost you either a dishwasher or the refrigerator okay so a refrigerator doesn't need to be Costard in the in the general sense of the word in this traditional sense of the word a refrigerator what you have to do is you have to take everything out you have to use some sort of cleaner degreaser or you know if you have Windex we got everything here and you want to take out the shelves and you want to scrub it down as best as possible the optimal as I said earlier is to cover the shelves and that way you'll be pay septic if you don't have anything to cover the shelves or that's also fine because the refrigerator is cold you don't cook in a refrigerator same thing with the freezer you want to take everything out try to defrost the freezer if you can clean it well and then you can put in your paper products dishwashers the discharges again I saw that the owe you has a video at it had a captured dishwashers I'm going to refer you to that I am again very very hesitant to recommend dishwashers especially dishwashers that have will just move over here dishwasher is over here they have a lot of plastic inside of them see there's a lot of class inside of them there's also a strainer in there that's very hard to kasher so getting a caution your dishwasher is not so easy again speak to your local Orthodox rabbi speak you rob if you absolutely need it you're not gonna be able to do it any other way my suggestion is that you speak to out and maybe FaceTime him maybe you can show you what to do okay copy we're asking in they weren't sure about the backlash to the stove or putting foil in between the zero battery yeah so what we do is we'll do is we get things right under here you'll see the air comes out of there that's where the fumes come out of the oven you want to make sure that you don't put any foil under here your fingers that's where that's where the fumes come out that's where the the the air comes out for the oven that's the ventilator for the oven so you don't want to put anything here see where my hands go in so you want to do is over here you want to cover this then you'll take a knife sorry you'll cut out you'll be able to see what you need don't put plastic over here plastic over here well later you gonna have a fire one you want to make sure the clothes clean it as best as you can because there is grease and before you cover it with thee before you do cover it with that with the with the foil you want to clean it as much as possible take Windex or a floor ops or whatever it is clean it make sure that it's a hundred percent clean then cover it make sure that the window is available to reuse and then you're good to go okay two last questions to finish up over here I know everyone's got places to be tonight but I want to know what does it mean when you say that the sink or countertop can't be reached 24 hours does that mean you can't even super cold should not be used for anything which could be used for cold so it's the best in the hot solution be used for cold shouldn't be used for anything the best thing to do is to prepare other meals that you're going to have prepare them in a way where you're not going to be able to use the sink or my suggestion is if you have two sinks one day the melting one the other one in the flesh is torn or flight suits ml fixed and if you have to wash anything it cold of you to watch it think you're taking it to the bathroom and wash it there 24 hours means 24 hours I was not being used I saw that some of my skin today suggest turning off the water or turning off the hot water now if you do use it for cold it's not the end of the world look at Leela it's fine even the cat Sheila it's fine because the problem is hot the promenade is that hot he always transfers taste it always keeps the taste that was there before so of course just to be clear news and cold water is motor I don't suggest it because then what you've done is you've gotten yourself into the mode of using the sink and we don't want to do that if you use it for hot water then let's say you forget you don't realize so now you got to start all over again or at least you have to call Rob and find out what to do and you might have shown by these issues the best thing to do is not to use involved so someone else is asking that if they sometimes use their bathroom sink to wash their hummus dishes do they need to cash it if they won't be washing dishes in in on Pesach no absolutely not blowing other questions came in here is that one once cash ring should they use the faces dick pods or electric kettle to heat it or for the evening with comets one so like I said before the the best thing to do is to use a piece of the cap at that way you don't have to capture the pod you have a pet special okay so and you're ready to go now in the event again that you have to catch a fuse caustic pot one has to fill it up like I said make sure the waters although yeah make sure it's bubbling then throw in something hot to make sure that the water goes around the edges to counter it and now the cat kasher and now you're ready to go the problem with using a common sticker pad that if you don't cost you it properly if you haven't fastened it properly so then the calum that you cash you in have still remain common stick you haven't made a face of it and you're not gonna know you're using comments take Calum on Pesach so that's why we suggest that use a pace optically unless you're a hundred percent sure that you know how to use the chrominance think of the comments take a pot and add a cash or property and then takács you're in there so my suggestion is to use the face of Nickelback and we have one last question and then we're going to stop for the evening gets one in about caching flag work could you use an aluminum foil pan takács or flattened aware that's a very very good question so again if you can get the aluminum the aluminum pan you get the what if you can if you can somehow get get it hot enough where the water will be bubbling so I don't see I don't see an issue with that but the problem is that an aluminum pan is not going to withstand the heat underneath it to get it to get it that hot but if you can if you can maybe have a 60 90 excuse me in 1960 those big pans that they have big heavy-duty pans with the kögel's that they have like on charmix you go to a kiddush if that can withstand the heat and that would be fine okay rabbi Schwartz thank you very much for sharing with your time and expertise at this point time with about 9:30 so we're going to conclude tonight's presentations again again I think 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