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Okay, good evening everyone. Shalom
aleichem, baruch haba u'varech
Welcome everyone.
Uh as the session this coming Sunday
night we're starting Havruta Hilchot
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Havruta Hilchot Hilchot Mikvaot Siman
Reish Aleph and Reish Bet in Yoreh
De'ah.
Very beautiful image. Okay.
We're learning Daf Yud Gimmel Amud Bet.
The Gemara had a shaila
about someone
Ben Rechumi asked Abaye
if somebody says, "I'm a nazir
when I have a son."
And another guy heard him and he said
"Ve'alay and upon me as well." What's
the halacha? Does he mean on your words?
Meaning
uh when you have a son, I'll be a nazir,
or does he mean
when I have a son?
And if you're going to say no, he means
when I have a son
let's say somebody says I'll be a nazir
when I have a son
and his friend hears and he says, "And
I."
What does he mean? Does he mean
when I have a son? When I personally
have a son? Or does he mean I love you
like you love yourself and when you have
a son, I will be a nazir.
So the Gemara says, "Im timsal omer kol
de'amti."
If you want to say that as long as
you're in front of the person
"Kisufei milta" it's he's embarrassed
to say no when it's when I have a son
personally. It's like embarrassing to
say here the guy, he doesn't have a son
finally he he is praying, you know, if I
have a son, I'll be a nazir
so it's embarrassing for the listener to
say, "No, you know, uh when I have a
son." In the guy's presence, he he means
the person who
whose presence he's in. What if
What if Reuven says, "I'll be a Nazir
when Levi has a son."
And his friend hears and he says,
"And I." So, he doesn't have to be
embarrassed there that he's referring to
himself.
Do we say not in the guy's presence?
He's talking about himself.
Or maybe this is what he's saying.
Rechem alei kvasach.
I love him, the third guy, just like
um
you love him cuz you said you'll be a
Nazir when he has a son.
So, interestingly to me, the Gemara says
"Teyku."
That we happen to point out in
Nedarim, when we're learning Nedarim,
that
the word "Teyku" uh Rav Nachman of
Bresslov has revealed. And actually,
it's a Befeirus Zohar. The word "Teyku"
means they're missing the the Shin Nun.
Teyku means they're missing the Shin
Nun, and therefore they have to wait
until Eliyahu is Megaleh to them the
Shin Nun.
And we explained that's why it doesn't
say "Teyku" in Nedarim because the
Mekubalim teach
the Masorei Keh, the Bnei Yissachar,
that Nedarim is the Masechta of the Shin
Nun. Therefore, it doesn't say
uh "Teyku" because it's already an era
of Tikkun. They just say "Teyku." Ask
him.
So, it's interesting that in Nazir, it
says "Teyku." But on Amud Aleph, it said
"Teyku." So, here on one Blatt, on Amud
Aleph, we have the word "Teyku." On Amud
Beis, we have "Teyku."
Okay, let's see Tosfos on Amud Aleph. Im
tim selomar kol ba anpei kisufalei
malsa.
Dilma mistama hachi kamalei de rechem
alei kvasach.
There, it means I love
I love you.
Like you love yourself. I'm not Ruvein
he knows she levy Ben.
Or do we say that none is present and
after he come here.
He's referring to himself.
Okay.
Let us see fighter in the Gamara.
>> Maybe the reason that it says take with
someone is because
we have a subject to what the Halacha
is. But here it's not a question of what
the Halacha of the subject Halacha we
don't know what he meant and ultimately
we don't know what his carbona is. So
it's not a subject in the
in the Halacha it's a subject in the sea
of some what this person meant.
So ultimately we could always ask him
but let's say for whatever reason we
can't ask him.
>> Well, that's a good point. In all these
question in all these cases why don't we
ask him?
Why don't we ask him or is it not
relevant really what he says he means?
We have to interpret what the words
mean. So we don't even
Okay.
Um
I mean the
the Rishonim say it means take who.
And okay.
Let's see further in the Mishnah. Says
the Mishnah
if somebody says behold I'm a Nazir
the Nazir K'Shlomo Ben and I'll be
another one I have a son. So, he's
taking upon himself one Nazirus straight
up, and one Nazirus when he has a son.
So, his mineh ashlei, first he counts
the Nazirus that's not dependent on a
stipulation.
V'achar kach nolad lo ben, if afterwards
a son is born, mashlim ashlei, he
finishes up the Nazirus was
unconditional. V'achar kach mineh ashlei
b'nai, and then he counts the Nazirus
for his son.
Let's see Tosafos.
Hareini Nazir v'Nazir k'sh'Y'L'Y Ben.
D'hasha k'sh'sh' kibbel Nazirus d'nafshi
b'reisha, here he accepted his own
Nazirus first. V'his mineh ashlei,
he starts to count his.
He accepts it before the Nazirus of his
son. V'im lo y'siameh nidrei, when he
finishes
Here, it's interesting Tosafos says when
he finishes the days of his neder,
m'galeach, he shaves. U'meivi carbonos
l'Nazirus d'nafshi, he brings carbonos
for his own Nazirus. V'achar kach mineh
ashlei, and then he counts.
Mhm.
When he finishes the days of his neder,
he's m'galeach, he brings carbonos for
his
Nazirus.
V'achar kach mineh ashlei b'nai, then he
counts the Nazirus for his son. B'chein
k'sheyashlim es Nazirus b'nai, y'galeach
v'yovi carbon l'Naziruso. So, according
to Tosafos, he's going to shave and go
through the process two times. First, he
counts his own personal Nazirus, he
shaves and brings his carbonos, then he
observes the nazirus that he committed
if he would have a son, and then he
shaves and brings the carbonos for that.
That's the first case of the Mishna. The
Mishna continues.
Hareini nozer k'she'yeileid ben. If
first he says, "I'll be a nozer when I
have a son."
V'nazir, also I'm a nozer. So, first he
made the nazirus that was not dependent
First he made the nazirus that was
dependent on the son, and then he took
upon himself a stam nazirus.
Hischil minei shel eilav.
He didn't have a son yet, so he start He
first started counting his own nazirus.
Let's say on day 20, v'achar kach nolad
lo ben. Then he had a son.
What does he do? Maniach shel eilav.
He puts his personal nazirus aside, his
20 days,
u'mineh shel b'no. And he counts the 30
days for his son, cuz first he said,
"Hareini nozer k'she'yeileid ben."
The only thing is, he didn't have a son
at that time, but he's first committed
to that. So, as soon as he has a son, he
pauses his personal nazirus that was
unconditional. He observes the nazirus
for his son, and after that he
counts
the
nazirus of his own.
V'achar kach mashlim shel eilav. Then he
completes his own. Now, regarding
shaving and
bringing the carbonos, well, what
happens? Does he He certainly doesn't do
it after 20 days.
Does he do it after the nazirus for his
ben? Does he do it
uh twice?
So, we have to see.
Let's see Tosafos on Amud Aleph.
Ma ma ma ma
ma ma ma Tosafos on Amud Aleph says,
"Hareini nozer k'she'yeileid ben
v'nazir. D'hashta kiyvan d'nazirus
d'v'no b'reisha." In this case, he
accepted the nazirus of his son first.
The Nazirite
alone Nazirite of the newborn baby
accepted all of
Once it's had how do you read this? The
harsh decree upon the Nazirite of the
newborn baby
The Nazirite alone Nazirite of the
newborn baby accepted his own Nazirite
upon himself.
And then besides the Nazirite of his son
he accepted his own personal Nazirite.
His counting of the days shall I So he
starts by counting his own. The newborn
baby first actually he shall remain
young before he finishes counting the
minion for his own.
My near shall I he drops his. He pauses
his own minion I shall be nigh. Counting
the counting of all of the days shall I
Nazirite of the newborn baby. He was
first the Nazirite of his son.
Who is compelled to observe the Nazirite
of his son as soon as the son is born?
The after he shall remain Nazirite of
the newborn baby
After he shall remain the Nazirite of
his son
He shall remain the Nazirite of his own
after
after he shall remain the Nazirite of
his own. Wow. He's not allowed
on his
on his son's Nazirite.
He
He does his son's Nazirite. He does not
shave. He doesn't He does not bring
carbon ice. He completes another 10 days
for his own Nazirite and then he is
on both of them and he brings two carbon
ice. After he shall remain the Nazirite
of the newborn baby After he shall
remain the Nazirite of his own. I will
allow you to
after he shall remain the Nazirite of
the newborn baby.
He doesn't shave after he finishes the
Nazirite of his son.
Because then how The reason he doesn't
shave because how could he complete
his own Nazirite? He shall remain the
Nazirite of his own. He shall remain the
Nazirite of his own. He would not be
able to take and cut his hair after his
own nazirite. The end give those are
positive
Wow, you hear what's going on over here?
The reason why he can't shave after he
observes his son's nazirite is because
if he's going to wait if he's going to
observe 10 days to be mashlim his own
nazirite
then it will come out he's cutting his
hair after 10 days. There's no such
thing as
cutting hair after 10 days in the
process of nazirite in the case number
one
where you said first I'll be a nazirite
and if I have a son
I'll be a nazirite. So, we say first let
him observe his own nazirite
and then [snorts] he'll observe the
nazirite for his son. So, he'll shave
and bring the carbon is after 30 days
and then he'll observe another 30 days.
The rule is you can't cut hair as part
of the process of nazirite if it's less
than 30 days.
When he hear that's what this points out
in another nazirite maruba she he nisha
after nazirite the benai shloshim yom.
The truth is if he said
if I have a son I'll be a nazirite and
I'll take a 100 day nazirite
that and he observes let's say 30 days
and then he had a son. So, he could
shave after the 30 days.
I'm sorry. He could shave after nazirite
benai and then he has another 70 days to
go
if he shaves for son's nazirite he won't
be able to be
gulach on his own nazirite. So,
therefore he's not
until he's mashlim both nazirite and he
brings two carbon is okay. That is the
Gamara.
Boy Rava.
Rava had a shaila.
Amar Hareini Nazir l'achar
esrim yom.
The guy says, "I'm going to be a Nazir
in 20 days from now." A delayed nezirus.
In 20 days from now, I'm going to be a
Nazir.
U'mei'achshav u'venah now,
I'm going to be a Nazir for 100 days.
So, he says, "I'm going to start a
nezirus of 30 days in 20 days, but right
now I want to be a Nazir for 100 days."
I would like to meet this guy who
has all these interesting plans, life
plans.
So, what do you plan to do in the new
year? It's after It's after the Yom
Tovim. What do you plan to do? I don't
know. I'm going to join Chavrusah. I'm
going to join Daf a Shavua. I'm going to
join By the way, listen to fundamental
themes of the parsha from the Ramban.
It's out of this world. Also, the Rambam
on the parsha. But, this guy says, "You
know what I'm going to do? In 20 days,
I'm going to be a Nazir, and now I'm
going to be a Nazir for 100 days."
So, then you're going to miss the
Chavrusah share. Yeah, that's what I was
my kavana. I don't want to go to it.
I can't go to I'm not into Chavrusah,
the guy says. I want to be a Nazir.
So, the halacha is that
which one does he observe first? Mahu?
Keivan d'cholin meya v'esrim lo shamin.
Mahu? What's the halacha?
Since the 100 days
lo keivan d'cholin [snorts] meya v'esrim
lo shamin, he won't be able to observe
the 100 days in these 20 days. Make cuz
he In 20 days, he has to start a new
nezirus. His first commitment was in 20
days, he's going to start 30 days. He
can't get in 100 days in in 20 days. Lo
cholin, maybe his 100 days is not a
dilemma.
Listen, even though it's like you don't
sell a life.
This is what he's going to do. He'll
have 30 days afterwards.
Meaning, he could get in 20 days.
When 20 days come, he has to observe 30
days.
And then after the 30 days, he'll do
another 80 days. So then Hollen, mean
the shala is do we say he can have a
right in 100 days and 20 days? So the
100 days are not Hollen or okay, he'll
have a right in 20 days in those 20
days. He'll observe the 30 days when the
20 days kick in. And then after the 30
days, he'll finish up another 80 days.
Let's see Tysus. By Rava.
By Rava. Amara Harenia Nazala Kofia
Mayaxam Mayayama Kiven the Hollen Maya.
Yaim.
Loisha Bahana Mayaim. He won't be able
to finish in those 20 days. So the
Hollen is your shala Mayaim Allah.
Mayaxam, maybe those 100 days are not
Hollen.
The Mistama in Das Hoisha Hapsek Nazir
Shiyumna Asim Yaim Minam Mayaim.
It's not
It's Mistama the guy never had in mind
all of my 100 days I'll observe 20 now.
And after 20 days, I'll count another
zeros of 30 days that I accepted and
vowed myself to kick in after 20 days.
And then I'll count another 80 days of a
Shiyumna Shiyumna Hashima Mayaim.
Al Acharai Shina Yachala Hashima Zisa
Kofiam Bahalen Kof.
If he can fulfill 100 days in those 20
days, Daitai.
His mindset is Shaeel Kofiam you Penuim.
I'm going to be free for 20 days. Fia
Bia I'll be able to drink wine of a Tag
Lahas in those 20 days Bahana Kofiam.
Bia Yim Lamiyam Ligaliah. then I can't
30 days to shave your weak carbon.
And what rather means is after that I'll
observe 100 days. When we say the 100
days is not how it means it's not how
before at all, but it is how after
that's for sure. Even though from the
maybe there's a side 100 days is not how
no it's not how.
It's not how before it's how after.
And will observe 100 days with sufin the
guy the only carbon.
So in on day 20 of 30 days will kick in
on that 30 days will be over shave and
hold bring carbon is and then we'll
count 100 days and we'll shave and bring
carbon is my
mayor.
Why did you say from
It means also now I accept upon myself
100 days.
Obviously they'll kick in when they're
able to kick in namely after the 30
days.
Okay, I do must give four lines and
Titus I do my.
Will he be able to observe 30 days after
the zeros to be able to shave after
growth of 30 days?
So we're not concerned for the
interruption.
In this case he'll even be left with 80
days. Therefore
he counts 20 days
the zeros to me I am he counts 20 out of
he interrupts the
the only
Carbon the Acharei Kein, Yimna Peyom,
then he counts 80 days. L'hashlamas
Mayah Yom. The Hochi Nami Aminam
B'braisa.
This is also said in a Braisa, the
Maiseh the Kaman, that we bring later
on. Acharei Shmona Lamed Yom.
In a Min Peyom L'hashlam Hamayah
Yom. Alo Esam Shmona Kodem Shishim Yom.
You only have to observe 80
because you already observed 20 before.
The Af Gav the Tiglacha Susa.
I, usually when you shave, it undoes
a previous Nazirus.
Ainu K'dei She'eil Acharei Tiglacha
Shishim Yom. It's only so that you have
at least 30 days worth of growth to cut.
K'dei Gido Se'ar Aval Nish'ar Acharei
Acharei Tiglacha Shishim Yom. But if you
can have 30 days at Kol Nazirusai.
Ainu Shoshe'a Klum. It doesn't uproot
anything K'dei Se'ar Gido Se'ar the
Tiglacha Tahara because you have a a
growth of the hair growing as a Nazir.
V'acharei Amira Perek Gimmel Minan. And
here you have 80 days.
So the Gemara asks
Rava
why did you come up with such an unusual
case?
P'tei Baylei Nazirus M'tus. Rava should
have asked the question even by a
short-term
Nazirus.
What does that mean? Rava should have
asked this question even by a short-term
Nazirus. Rava could have
presented the question
of somebody, let's say, he's Mekabel
Nazirus Stam
that it's going to start in 20 days.
And then
and he then he accepts not 100 days,
Stam Nazirus, 30 days.
Namely, so if he's going to start the
second Nazirites
for the first 20 days,
so then he has only 10 days left.
Again, he wouldn't be able to shave
after the
the Nazirites
that starts after 20 days.
So, why did Rava have to talk about a
guy who said, "I'm going to accept
Nazirites in 20 days from now and
may ask of 100 days. Why 100 days? Why
not 30 days? What is 100 days adding?
Now, the truth is what it adds is it
allows you to shave after the standard
zero that begins after 20 days. But,
that's not the question. The question is
does the guy mean to observe part now
and the rest later or push the whole
thing off till later? So, why did Rava
have to come up and ask this question
and present the question by 100 days?
Says the Gemara, the truth is khada migo
khada coming by night. Rava asked one
question
along with another one. And because he
asked the question along with another
one and the other one needs to be with
100 days, this question, which
is the operating principles of the
question, would be the same whether it's
100 days or 30 days, but he picked the
case of 100 days. Says Tosafot,
the tibay lay Nazirites we learned in
the bottom of the page
Nazirites the standard Nazirites to
shloshim yom going to amar. Hareini
nazir alacha ason yom. A guy says I'm
going to be a nazir after 20 days. And
he knows he has to add him another now.
So, do we say it's khol now? He'll count
20 now and he'll leave the rest for
He'll count them 30 days and count
another 10.
And he won't shave until after all 60
days? Or do we say no, he'll push off
the second 30 days until after he
observes the first 30 days? So, why did
Rava have to present this question with
about
a guy who says, "I'm going to observe
Nazirites in 20 days from now and now
I'm going to observe 100 days. He could
have said and now I observe 30 days.
And we'll see next week
Vayikra
and Baruch She' heyanu v' kiy'manu v'
higi'anu la'z'man ha'zeh that we
completed the daf and it's Tuesday.
And
we're up to date in Ian Shiurim, so
that's also a big chiddush.
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Okay.
Have a good night. Tota.
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