Daf Hashavua - Nazir 14b

Okay, good evening everyone. We're continuing in now an interesting while a person is in Nazir then those days do not count towards. What does an Azer do if he becomes a mitz? It is not so but it's so what would the be if somebody became during the nazeros? What would the be if somebody became during the nazir? We just had a shila about somebody who took upon himself nazeros for his son and then his own personal nazeros. He started counting for himself and then he started counting for his son and then what happened um he became tummy during his son's nazeros. There was a shiloh whether that undoes his own nazeros. Now we have a similar shila where somebody became a a matsura during his nazeras. I would like to meet this guy also. This one's more interesting guy, you know, he's a holy dude. He became a a nazer, but he, you know, he wants to be sanctified. He doesn't want to drink wine, but he can't control his lash and har, you know, maybe that's why he became a nazer, you know, he's trying to over he's trying to work on himself. I want to I give him credit. Um, and then he became tame during his Saras. I mean I would peg this guy as the guy who said I want to do nausea in 20 days and now I want to do 100 days. I think that works that that seems to work in tandem with that kind of guy. But anyway he became tame during his sarasan says like in the other case it unra it undoes demolishes his nazerus because he became tame. He in other words let's say the guy became let's say the guy said no and he counted 20 days he then became so he had a pause and now he became says it demolishes the days of says it undoes it because he's in the middle says it does not demolish it because saras is one thing and aerus is another. In other words, he is not a he is he did not become tame during the nazerus. He became tame during the taras. So the gar wants to know why do I need both of these cases? both of the case where the guy took upon himself nazerus for his son then he took upon himself nazer for himself and he started counting for himself then his son was born and he became and says it's not says both these cases have only taught the first case only in the first case says does it demolish shame because in that case it's all whether it's for himself or for his son. So if it's all in the zeros if you become it unravels the whole thing but in the case of that if you became during the it doesn't demolish your saras and are two different things is separate and saras is separate and if it only taught this case meaning the case of maybe only in that case only in this case where says it does not demolish because but in the case where it's all in the topic of say he's so that's why I need the in both cases okay let's see tusma Somebody says from his he started counting the days of being do not count toward it also doesn't demolish became it does not demolish the first days that you counted toward When you become from your shave and you're going to bring then you're going to go and recount, not recount, you're going to complete the count based on what number you stopped at says it demolishes you're in middle of you didn't count the full 100 days when you become you're going to have to count all the days of it needs account. It needs to teach both by the case of the and in the case of the Taras. Okay, new Gamarra. We're now coming to a completely new Indian. What is the new Indian? The Indian is called Yim Gidol Sear on the day that his hair is growing. What does that mean? It's not enough to count 30 days of nazer so you don't drink wine and you don't become tame. If let's say while you were sleeping uh somebody came and cut your hair happens all the time you know kids and let's say they cut your hair I don't know mill the nazirus so you had an impeccable nazerus you didn't become tame you didn't drink wine but when it when it comes time to cut your hair on day 30 you don't have a growth of 30 days you need to have a minimum growth of 30 days so You now have to wait another 15 days to cut your hair. You finished your nazerus. You observed nazerus. You just don't have a growth of 30 days. Now, the reason it's called the day of growing your hair is because sometimes the guy's hair was cut on day two. So, he only has to wait one day. Now, what is the status of that one day? Um, is he allowed to become tame? Nope. Is he allowed to drink wine? No, not but because he has to attain that 30-day growth of hair. So, while he is attaining the 30-day growth, he has to observe the laws of Nazeros. What would the be if the guy became tame on that day? Does it unra does it demolish the whole nazerus? Is it just a den that he has to he can't become tame but not that if he does it unravels the whole thing or in fact if he becomes tame the whole thing is demolished if somebody became on the day of his hair rem uh continuing to grow says it does not demolish the days he counted even who said in the above two cases the case where you needed to count one for you and one for your son or in the case where you became when you were a mids even says normally becoming everything that's only when you're still in the time frame of the 30-day or whatever you accepted But gel sear mishum nazeru letting your hair grow is an extra period of nazirus. It's not part of the standard nazerus. So therefore if you became tame then it does not unravel. It does not uh unravel the whole um the whole time. It does not unravel what you observed says it does demolish. Even says it's not. That's because it was dealing with two different periods. One is for your son and one for you. But so here it's all part of one. So therefore it is okay fine. Let's see. I said behold him for 30 days and when he counted 20 days list him robbers cut your hair against your will. They tied you up and they cut your hair. So you say, "Okay, what's the problem? I didn't cut my hair. Robbers cut my hair." No, I can't cut my hair on day 30 because I don't have a 30-day growth. And I can't therefore I can't bring my carbon until I wait 30 days from the day they shaved you. There's no growth of hair less than 30 days. and he began the 30 days after 10 of the days. He already finished his nazeros cuz he's now completed the 30 days from when he started. Although he'll have an additional 20 days of letting his hair grow. Um because he originally counted 20 before the robber shaved you these final 20 days only to grow your hair so that he could shave it after the now he became tummy. Why does it call it on the day of your hair growing? Why not during the days like it said earlier be made? Because the saras it's impossible that it's not going to extend more than one day. So it's a period a time period. The taras will be much will be more than one day but having an having more time for your hair to grow. It could be it's only one day. It could be will only be a one day duration. For example, if robbers shaved you on the second day because in such a scenario because now you only have to add one in the end. Fine. So now we go a little bit further in the garb said you ready for you look like you're ready for everyone agrees. Who's everyone? We just said Rav and Shuel they both they argue whether if you became Tame Bid whether it demolishes. Everyone agrees. If you sanctified your hair or if your hair was sanctified with blood, there's no way to fix it. What does this mean? Meaning let's say the guy was an Azer and you were mafish the carbanis and the blood was sprinkled on the mak and we'll see well what wasn't done there's no takana well what wasn't done the one thing that wasn't done is in other words the his hair His hair wasn't done. He has sear it wasn't shaved. The hair wasn't removed. In other words, he completed the 30 days and he brought the carbon and his hair was not shaved and he became tame. The guys up the creek without a paddle. What does this mean? We we have one more chis to do back on the that very last. In this case, it's one. Okay, this next is on what we just read. Look at let's say after the blood of the car was sprinkled, you became before you shaved. It's called your hair became holy because you didn't shave it. There is no rectification. What does that mean? There's no rectification. Does that mean you can't you can't uh drink wine forever? Yep. thinks right now that you'll never ever be able to drink wine again and to shave your head. Why? Why will I never be a why will the guy never be able to drink wine and shave? He already brought his carbon. Okay. So he brought his carbon. He became before he shaved without bringing a carbon. He can't shave his hair. So the guy became tame before he shaved. And so what what's the issue here now? The Carbonus are null and void because if you can't tell me The guy needs to shave his hair. So, what's the problem? The guy didn't shave his hair yet, but he needs to. He needs to in order to drink wine. Why can't he shave his hair? Because he became tame. Now, think about that. Because a guy's tummy, he can't shave his hair. No. Yes, because the procedure of Nazeros is he has to shave his hair, but he can't you can't do the procedure of Nazerus if you're tame. So this guy who became tame, he he self-destructed his completion of his nazerus. The only way to complete the process is to shave your hair. The only way to shave your hair is if you're tar. You can't go through the procedure of nazerus if you're tame. So the guy is in a catch 22. He needs to shave his head to drink the wine, but he can't shave his head because his tummy. So right now the garra thinks the guy's stuck. He'll never be able to drink wine again. He'll go to a kdesh. He'll say pass the coke zero. You know, at the at the uh at the sedar he's going to be uh I don't know what he's going to drink for. He'll have coffee. >> Milk. Okay. So, right. That's the gumar's that because he became tame he has no way to shave his hair. So Gar wants to know what Ali the man who does this go like meaning which opinion holds that because the guy's tame he can't in other words which opinion holds that this guy is missing a critical aspect of the procedure of Nazeros Alibazar if it goes accord Rebelar we'll have to see rebel as says that shaving your hair is the from ending the soy it's still right so rebel holds let that until you shave your nazerus is still there well if that's the case if my nazerus is still there then I'm still in Nazeros. So I became tame during the Nazeros. So it should be soy the whole Nazeros and I'll start over and I'll uh I won't drink wine and I won't become T and I'll let my hair grow for 30 days and then I'll do the procedure. Meaning who does this go like if this goes like the opinion that shaving your hair is critical for the procedure of Nazirus. Well, he didn't shave his hair yet. So he's still then within the terms of Nazerus. He became tame within Nazerus. So it should demolish whatever he counted and he should start over. So says that shaving your hair is still within the full time frame and it should demolish whatever he counted. So what do you mean there's no so it must be going like that is not but the rabbis say that shaving your head is not important it's not so then you don't have to shave your head to begin with you already sprinkle the blood and you're done if you need to shave your head he didn't so then he became tame within the time frame of neros so it should demolish the whole thing and let him start over. Shaving your head is not critical. So great, he finished answers the garban really goes to I what does it mean? He has no way to fulfill the mitzvah of nazirus of shaving his hair. He doesn't need to shave his hair. He will be allowed to end his nazerus right now. But it's still a positive command for another to shave his hair. And this guy is not able to do that says says the holyis. We did that. Um according to who says shaving your hair is to drink wine that shaving your hair is to drink wine it's within the time frame. So then it's like he became tummy before he brought carbon. It's within the time frame. It should demolish whatever he counted. He should be able to bring again. If you only had one of the bloods of the carbon sprinkled on says the whole thing is unraveled. Shiva the Gmorra asks that after the time frame it only you only have to wait seven days says no you're right you're so the carbon and after the seven days you could bring other carbon What to is saying is when the garra says it's rebelar it's not actually the whole 30 days it's only seven days the amount of time it takes to become um it's per force not specific because he became on day 30 says that shaving your hair is not it should be to become tummy and to drink without shaving at all. Says gar you know what it means doesn't mean that there's no remedy to drink wine. It means there's no remedy to fulfill the great mitzvah of shaving your hair as a nazair. [snorts] By the way, I would feel bad for the Nazer who shaved his hair and forgot to be mave to be mim the mitzvah of shaving his hair. Imagine he's he waited his whole life. He said if I have a boy I'll be a Nazir, you know. So after he finally had a boy at 100 years old like Abrau and then he he he said he's going to be a Nazir. He forgot to have a cavana. So we show him in the mission bro. Don't worry, you're still yay. He says, "I want to be." So you say, "Okay, you'll have a you'll have another son and this time hopefully you remember to have according to the lack, >> you know, but I'm saying to get the mitzvah." That's what that's what the saying to [clears throat] get the mitzvah. Yeah. Since you already brought the carban, you can't bring them again. Then you could drink the wine right away without shaving at all. Said it's both and that they argue. They argue that if you became one second. Okay. One one more time. said they say here in general they argue by but here if you became before the ma that it's not why because it's like you already shaved meaning that since Since gil is not therefore if you became tame you can't do the mitzvah of gilu. Okay. Next next issue. >> Is it also Is it also a mitzvah to drink wine after the ner just like just like shaving? >> Uh good question. No, it's not. It's only a mitzvah to shave. >> Why? Because shaving is part of the procedure of the nazirus because he but drinking wine is it's not it's not you know the the the procedure of becoming tahar is the procedure of ending the nazirus is bringing carbon and sh and cutting the hair specifically. But the Torah never mandates to dapka drink wine. Okay. So, so we just discussed what's the haka if you became tame before the carbon. What if a person became tame? In other words, we just spoke about uh kesh kesam is you brought your carbon but you didn't shave your hair. What if you didn't do either? What if you just finished the 30 days and you didn't cut your hair and you didn't bring the carbon who finished his days but nothing more if he became he will not get malus if he shaves his hair or for drinking wine he only gets malus for tumor says why tuma tuma Why do you get malus for? Oh, you know why? All the days of your and where does it say that? It says that regarding the all the days includes it includes the days after you finish the term just like the days before you finish the term. So in the context of tum it says all the days even days after you finish the term before you do the uh the completion of the by performing the ritual says if so for shaving says regarding shaving all the days of his of his nether of he can't put a razor on his head to make the days after he completes like the days before he completes and the same thing with wine. It says all the days of his anything made out of the grape of wine. Last let's see he counted all the days. See in the previous case we're talking about uh what the GRA called. He brought the carbon he just didn't shave yet. Now we're talking about the guy finished the days of Nazeros but he didn't do any of the ritual. If he became before bringing the he doesn't it doesn't uh demolish the days he counted already. And that is all folks. That is the completion of Um, you could join us tomorrow morning at 9:00 a.m. for Mishnab to learn what braha are bagels and how are bagels made. 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