Daf Hashavua - Nazir 15a

This Torah class is brought to [music] you by torahanytime.com. >> Okay, good evening Rabbi shalom aleichem. We're continuing in Daf shavua masechet Nazir Daf tes vav amud aleph on your down on the base >> [snorts] >> Rabbi Yishai Rabbi Chanina said that a Nazir that finished his days and now he's just waiting for um to bring his carbon nice. So the halakha is he gets Malkus if he becomes tamei. He doesn't get Malkus if he cuts his hair or if he drinks wine. So the Gemara says why? Tamei it says kol yemei naziro la Shem. Kol yemei includes even the days after he completes shaving also he should be chayav. It says kol yemei neder naziro saar layavaro rosho. It says by drinking wine kol yemei naziro mi kol asher ya'aseh migefen hayayin that to make the days after melos kiyamim shel ne'elamim >> [snorts] >> So the Gemara uh wants to know if there's a pasuk by tamei that same drasha should apply for drinking wine and for shaving his hair. Says Gemara shani hacha tamei's different. Da'amar Rachmana vetimei rosh naziro. The pasuk says and he became he made tamei the head of his nezer neziros. He made tamei the hair of his neziros. What does it mean he made tamei the hair of his neziros? What neziros? He was metamei his neziros. Why the hair of his neziros? Misha naziro teluy lav rosho. Uh what does that mean? If you become tamei you get Malkus even if the nazirus is dependent uh on your head. What does that mean? Even if your nazirus is dependent on your head. If the only thing making you another is because you didn't shave your hair yet. Still the the Torah says the tamei that the only thing that you could possibly violate is being metamei it not shaving and not >> [snorts] >> not shaving and not drinking wine says Tosis. Okay, let's maybe the Tosis on the previous Someone whose nazirus is dependent on his head shofar shomu he already completed it Ella in lay a dine nazirus Ella barasha he only has nazirus on his head. Shal agilach he didn't shave as like al atama then he gets malcus for tuma shiv atimei rosh nazrai well me however nitma after shave carbonois of if he became tamei after he brought his carbonois like [snorts] michayev lamanda amar tiglachas leima akfa. So if he became tamei after he brought your carbonois Meaning the guy finished his nazirus and the only thing lacking is he didn't shave yet. So the halacha is he's like al atama. But let's say he became tamei after he brought his carbonois then if if he stamei didn't shave according to the manda amar tiglachas leima akfa you're not high of malcus the hacha drasha leimei tukma al have us carbon the Joshua of a team eight roach Nazirite is talking about before he brought his carbonus. When we shop in the zeros to liberate say it's definitely correctly called Nazirite dependent on his head after be shy dying with heavy carbon Isis even though he did not bring his carbon Isis at the fish chain the go fight last Isis Ella to glass house because the only thing there is to do is to shave. I've a lump shot say I am but if you drank wine or or he shaved my Messiah he's not have to have a lack of a hookah because there's no possuk come I got by Toma like there is by Toma. So in other words there's a possuk by Toma but drinking wine or shaving there is no possuk. So the more challenges us the more asks may say Nazirite Shakalu Yamma Nazirite who finished his days also the Galia he's not allowed to drink wine of Alicia Yain he's not allowed to shave or drink wine or Tommy the Mason them Galia if he shaved or shot say I am or he drank wine or the need more Mason or he became Tommy to Mason Harris so he gets our bomb he's higher 40 Marcus. So we see it's not only for Toma it's any of the violations of any of the premature ending of Nazirite whether it's Toma whether it's drinking wine whether it's >> [snorts] >> whether it is um shaving is here he gets Marcus so the more his conclusion is to you of the in fact this is a reputation of the opinion of Rabbi Yossi Rabbi Hanina we we blew him out of the water we have a fair price so that there's no between Toma to glass house and drinking wine. Okay. Now we come to an amazing case. What's the amazing case? That's what we're about to learn. Hareini nazir l'shay alei ben. A guy says, "I'm going to be a nazir when I have a son." V'nazir me'ah yam. I'll also be a nazir for 100 days. So, the guy says, "I'll have a I'll be a nazir when I have a son. I'll also be a nazir when I uh uh for 30 days." I'm sorry. I'll be a nazir when I have a son, and I'll be a nazir for 100 days. 30 days when he has a son, and 100 days, presumably, right now. Now, if you are stickler for the order of the Mishnah, he first said hareini nazir l'shay alei ben, "I'll be a nazir when I have a son, 30 days, and v'nazir me'ah yam." We're going to learn that it's a it's possible to observe observe simultaneous naziruts. So, he starts counting the 100 days immediately. And I'm sorry. He starts counting Yeah, he starts counting the 100 days immediately. But, if he has a son, then the naziruts for the son is going to take effect. Why? We'll see because since he mentioned it first, in we had learned previously that if you say, "I'm a nazir, and I'm I'll be a nazir when I have a son, and I'm a nazir stam." Right? Let's say a guy says, "I'll be a nazir when I have a son, and I'm a nazir stam." So, he starts counting the stam naziruts, and then when he has a son, he interrupts it. So, why? Because the naziruts for the son came first. You first said, "I'm going to be a nazir when I have a son." So, since you since the nazirus for the son takes priority, we're going to learn it could also be observed simultaneously with the other nazirus. So, you said, "I'm going to be a nazir when I have a son. I'm also going to be a nazir for 30 for 100 days." You could observe these two nazirus simultaneously. And therefore, we say No [snorts] ilad lo bein, if he has a son, ad shiv'im, until the 70th day. If he has a son, lo yifsad klum, he doesn't lose anything. What do you mean he doesn't lose anything? It means he doesn't have to keep 100 days and 30 days. He could observe the 30 days of nazirus for having the son while he's observing the remaining 30 days of his 100-day nazirus. Because since the nazirus for his son is strong, it takes priority, you you could observe them simultaneously. And observing it simultaneously will not put you in a situation where you're only observing uh short nazirus of less than 30 days cuz it's going to be together with at least 30 of the days left over from the 100-day nazirus. As long as you start the nazirus for your son on day 70 of your 100-day nazirus, you're not going to be extending nazirus for less than uh 30 days. La'ahar shiv'im, but if the boy is born after 70 days, so is there. Now, so is there here doesn't mean he undoes observing the 70 days. No, he doesn't undo it. It doesn't demolish it. What that means is he's going to So, let's say there 29 days left. Let's say he observed Let's say there 28 days left. So, he observed 72 days. What is he going to do? He's going to observe 30 days for his son. He's going to observe 30 days for his son. And then he'll have to observe 28 days remaining from his original nazirus. Why does he do that? She into to glahas balmes shamyang. Cuz you can't have nazirus for less than 30 days. What does that mean? Because the nazirus for his son has to be 30 days. So, since it has to be 30 days, it can't be together with the remaining nazirus for his own nazirus because there's only 28 days left of his own nazirus. So, basically he has no choice. If there 30 days left of his own nazirus, he could observe his son's nazirus together with what remains of his nazirus. But, if there less than 30 days remaining of his own nazirus, he will not be able to observe the 30 days for his son together with a remaining 28 days of his own nazirus. Let's see Tysus. Um Is there Tysus here? Nope. There is not. So, let's start with the Gamara. Amara, Rav said Yom Shvim oil la canal la canal. The 70th day counts for this and for that. The 70th day counts for the father's own nazirus and it could count for the nazirus of the son. What does that mean? It basically counts twice. You could use it for the nazirus of the father and it could be used for the nazirus of the son. So, for the father, it's day 70. But, for the son, what does that mean? It's also a day. So, if it's a day for the son, then it's 2 days for the father. What does that mean? Now, the father has to observe 100 days. He said the nazir may a yam. But, day 70, since the first part of the day counts toward the father and the second part of the day is already day one for the son, so the father could say, "Fine. And it's also day 71 for me. If it's counting for you from midday and on, so then I'm also going to count that point and on as a day." So, the father could get 2 days out of that one day. What's the nafka mina? Maybe he could bring his carbonus early. He could bring his carbonus a day early. Let's see Tysus. Amar Rav, "Yom shivim l'kan ul'kan." The 70th day could count for this and that. Pierce no ben b'yom aleph. B'yom ayin. The son is born on the 70th day. Miktzas hayom shekoidem l'leida the part of the day before the birth oilam l'minyan amaya counts toward the 100 for the father. Very also ayin yam minyan amaya. So, the the father did 70 out of the 100. Umikzas hayom she'acharei the part of the day after the birth oilam l'tchilas hanazirus counts toward the beginning of the nazirus for the son. D'lo yamna nazirus b'nei ela ad chaf tes yam. You only have to count another 29 days of the nazirus. Hare b'yom tzadi tes dish I Hence, on the 99th day of his Lam Livnai is the 30th of his son. So, what does this mean? So, if if after the birth it could count toward the beginning of the Nazirite and now all you have to count for the son is 29 days, an additional 29 days. So, on the 99th day he's done 100 and he's done 30 for his son. The Nafka Mina is day 70 counts this way and that way. The Galiach he can now shave his hair on the 100th day. Yom Lamed Aleph Livnai The 100th day is the 31st day for his son. Why? The Galiach That shaving will work for the Nazirite of his son halakhically. Shu Yom Lamed Aleph Livnai. It's the 31st day for the son. That will also work for himself. Shu Me'ah Yom. It's 100 days. What do you mean it's 100 days? It's the 99th day. Meaning the 100th day he'll have counted a full 100 days. Normally, you have to shave on the 101st day. You have You have to observe 100 full days and then shave your hair. But, now when you get to day 99 you've already observed 100. Why? Cuz day 70 when day 70 is over, it's like day 71. Cuz the first part of the day is day 70 and then when the kid is born, the shot clock starts for him. So, the father says, "That's another day for me." So, day 70 is day 71 for the father. Day 91 Day 99 is day 100. And day 100, the father can now shave. He doesn't have to wait till day 101. Even though if the son would not have been born, he won't have been able to until the 101st day cuz he would have to observe 100 days and then shave. But now he did already. Um So, therefore Do you mean Do you mean I doubt if you doubt on my base there's a basis? I don't see on your on the base. Where? >> Six lines down in the medium wide line. >> Six lines down. Six lines down in the medium on your on the base 3 4 5 6. >> We didn't 1 second. Um Didn't I do it on Yud Gimmel Alef Bais? I didn't read it then? Cuz I don't have marked off whether I should do it at 1 second. Let me get Yud Gimmel Alef Bais. My booklet only starts on Yud Alef. Let's see. Yud Gimmel Alef Mem. No. No, I'm not You're not a I'm not a do I taste this? See? It's blacked off. It's on the blacklist. But it's going on this. Mhm. Okay, either way Okay. So, let's let's let's continue here. So, Rav says day 70 counts for this and for that. So, Mar is going to challenge Rav. Tanan, Noila Alef Alef if the if the son was born. So, the lesson of the Mishna is Ad Shivim Le Yifsuhu. Until 70 he doesn't lose anything. But wait a second. Until 70 he doesn't lose anything. V'ee Sahkhi Da'ee Dehu Le Khan Le Khan And if you're going to say day 70 works for both is Guray Misker then he he profits. Why does the Mishna say that if the baby is born until day 70, he doesn't lose anything? That's Masha, you don't lose anything. But you also don't gain anything. But now we're saying that actually if the baby is born on day 70, you gain because it counts as two days. And now instead of shaving on day 101, you could shave on day 100. So why would the Mishna say the baby is born until day 70, you don't uh lose anything? More than you don't lose anything, you actually gain. Uh says the Gemara, that's true. Al Abadin Hu Dilai Lisnei Ad Shvim. According to the letter of the law, it should not have said that until 70 you don't lose anything. It should say you gain. Since it says after 70 you lose, so the ratio says Shvim, you don't lose. But the truth is it's more than you don't lose, you also gain. But to be to maintain the symmetry, it says you don't lose. You do gain, but it wanted a make it parallel to the lashon of the Seifa. Says Tosis No Ad Abin Ad Ayin. Ad Va Ad Ba Klal, if it was born until 70 including 70. Dilu Kafal if you wouldn't have been able to shave until day 101. Hashal Fi Devar Rav. Now according to O Mai Kama Lo Yifsed? >> [snorts] >> Al Abadin Hu Dilai Lisnei Ad Ayin. The Halacha is that it doesn't have to teach until 70, why he have said claw. Kalamazoo men and Dinlo Leshanas bazal lotion. According to letter of law it's not of employed this language like he said Ella just the opposite have a way of listening to have said you profit. We should attorney say for but because the same as she says that it's demolished perish came after the latest event you lose. It says after 70 you lose. Why do you lose? Because you going to have to count 30 for your son and then make up whatever you're missing from your attorney at human life but then I feel the ratio her via play that the truth is in the ratio you gain. Over mix our swarm in some texts in Ella Rock Medina the way listening at human the way he said have a command. Other some have a bit of a different gear so where the reading is is a little smoother. You don't have to say call a mar. Okay. Tashma. We're going to bring another question on rough. No loud a car shoving so so. The baby is born after 70 it demolishes. Okay. Wait a second. What if the baby is born on day 71? If the baby is born on day 71 you also don't lose. Why not? Because on day 71 even though why do you lose out if the baby is born on day 71? Because you could count two days and then you could both get 30 days in. Let's see Tosis. I think Tosis tomorrow answers my offer. What does it mean after? After doesn't mean on day 71 cuz then you don't then you don't lose. After after after means after after from day 72 and on. Says Tosis Tushma Misay no it says after 70 it's really the after 70. Have a period after 70 means on day 71. Why do you lose anything according to rather you lay down on the canal canal the day of birth could be counted toward both ends. So now it's the bend. It counts for the beginning of the 70 days of the sun. The 30 days of the sun column cough. The actual column cough olive. Why? Because you're also counting 30 days from day 71 to day 100 you don't lose anything. Why do you lose out? Day 71 counts as 71 for you. And now you have to do another 29 days so you'll say I'm only doing 29. No, I get 30 days out of it because day one 71 also counts as day one for the my next 30 days. So why do I lose out if the baby is born on day 71? Day 71 should be able to count twice for the nazirus of the father. So the more it says after does not mean 71. After 70 after means after after from day day 72 and on. It's so it says more if that's the case. If it would be mamesh day 71, my word the law would be you're going to say then he doesn't lose out. He might argue that why does it say if you're born until 70 you don't lose out? It should say if you're born until 71 you don't lose out. A few shiv'an ami even after 70. We say you don't lose out. After mamesh. So we see that after means day 71. So we learn from the Mishnah not like Rav. Says Tosafos My after the Mishnah says after after it would be the 72nd day. Now if the baby was born on 72nd day, you can't shave until 102 and you lose out for the baby being born because uh you're going to have to you're going to have to wait longer than your original Nazirite vows. After after mamesh my if it's mamesh 71 the 101st day after mamesh 71. So we see after is mamesh. From the Mishnah we could infer not like Rav. This fear this fear like the Mishnah says. The Mishnah clearly holds the day of the birth in the Nazirite vows. The day of birth doesn't count for the Nazirite vows. The birth. The day of the birth shouldn't be after the day of the birth. Must be the Mishnah is not like Rav. that we don't say that we're going to count in the nazirus of the son like we count his own nazirus. His nazirus, he gets one day out of it and the son gets one day out of it. So now the question is, so where did Rav get this lamdus from? Where did Rav get the logic that a day could count lekano lekano? You could you could have it on both ends. Where did Rav get this from that you could take one day and it could be counted as two days? I would love to get two days out of one day. Try I'm always trying to find extra time. Wouldn't it be good to get in 48 hours out of a 24-hour period? The army says it could um if Trump gives orders, it could be ready in 96 hours. I you know, I don't know what what takes so long. What what do they have to do for 96 hours? But that I'm assuming that's a four-day period. But Rav is saying in a two-day period, in a one-day period, it's counted like two days. So where did Rav get this from? E leima, k'Avishal, maybe he holds like Avishal. The Talmud in Mishnah Keduvis 30 kind of like if somebody buried his dead three days before Yom Tov, botlinan shiva, the shiva's bottle. Which is interesting. We don't hold that way. We hold even one day. If you bury one day before Yom Tov, the shiva's bottle. Cuz they're really two periods of avelus. There's the first three days for b'chi and the rest of it for for hesped. Avishal holds if you observe three days and then there's a Yom Tov that cuts off the shiva. But sh'mona yamim k'dei rega, if you count eight days before the rega, the k'vura was eight days before the rega, botlinan shloshim, you cut off the solution. You have 7 days of shiva. And even if a little bit of solution was observed, it but my back to the solution. And in that case, he could take a haircut before the Yom Tov because the Yom Tov cuts off the solution. But, if you might super if you didn't take a haircut also can't take a haircut after because if uh because he didn't cut off the solution. Says Rav Kahan given the time of the solution our Tana did not hold like Rav. Where did Rav get it from? I guess the more doesn't want to say Rav Tana and Polek. Rav is not going to invent a little bit kind of kind of it's against explicit Mishnah. Within 7 days he also has a solution that will be also also too to wear shoes with attachment to Amita. What is How do you read that? They take out the word toy. The toy of shiva the toy of shiva is bottle that it's not also to wear shoes with attachment to Amita. That becomes bottle. Okay, we'll hold it here and we will pick it up as a sham tomorrow night. That has love a mood base. We're trying to find the basis of rubber that a one-day period can count as two separate days. Have a great night everyone. Rock and roll saga. >> Recording stopped. >> Is is the guy who made the It's It's obviously >> You've just experienced another Torah [music] class brought to you by torahanytime.com.