Daf Hashavua - Nazir 16b

Okay, good evening friends. We're continuing in Giml. We begin two lines from the bottom on Tess Zion Alf. We just finished a long Mishna. The Mishna has two ways of understanding the Mishna. The Mishna either Rav Masna or Barada. We primarily explain the Mishna according to Raasna. Raasna says not 29 days. Stamina zeros 30 days. Um and master says no stamina zeros 29 days. Let's see the garra. The garra on the Mishna says the holy garish nazir who said beholder he became on the 30th day. He demolishes everything says no he's only seven days. So this is what the Mishna said. A guy became tame on the 30th day. He's so everything. And says he's only soyer Shiva. Why? Why? Because Rebel says no. It's not so and he only has to go through a purification. Okay. Says garbazar anything that happens after you complete the days of of it only demolishes seven. It actually doesn't demolish anything. It's just you need to go through a purification process. So it takes seven days to become tahar again. Now the Mishna says if somebody explicitly says I'll bear for 30 days on the 30th day he demolishes everything. What about according to rebelar doesn't rebel hold said that after you complete the term it only demolishes shiva says the gorazar rebelar does not argue the layman uh because in this case the guy by saying 30 he's saying whole days why because already 30 days so if he says says 30 it means he needs. So you can apply the logic of then next case says for 100 days and he became on the 100th day he demolishes everything says he only demolishes 30 days. Now how do you explain this or how do you explain the whole Mishna? This is also a very unusual expression. The whole thing meaning the whole literally means like we questioned like like we questioned in the according to basically on we went through the whole how the Mishna fits into both. I have never seen this expression before. I think this is maybe another example of you know the lion of okay fine another Mishna this is Gishmaka Mishna I have a feeling this is the guy who said I'll be a ner this is the same guy same kind of guy you know you know the guy is a little bit of a rascal and he likes that I'm going to be a noir I'm going to be a ner in 20 days. Meanwhile, I'm going to be Nazer for 100 days. You know this guy, what did he do? Misha Nazarubakares. The guy took upon himself Nazeros in the Bakar. You know, he couldn't wait until uh he couldn't wait until a different he took upon himself Nazeros in the Bakar. I guess that's you know the Gmorra didn't say the guy took upon himself nazerus in the bar because in between sips the nazirus will be but if he's standing in the bakar is it even is it an automatic violation they buried the >> what >> he was there when they buried the >> they buried the Mhm. He went to the kur. He's in the middle of shoveling. Okay. Even if he's there for 30 days, it doesn't count toward the nazer because it's not he didn't observe any nazerus. The ano may carbon but he doesn't bring a carbon for contracting tum during the period of nazeros because the nazerus really wasn't yet if he left the bakar. So then all of a sudden the nazir says and he came back in then whatever he observes counts. Well maybe carbon and he has to bring a carbon to now what does it mean whatever ner he observes counts. We'll have to see. Let's see. Um, we're up to it's like the ninth widest line. Same thing would be if the guy was and he made regarding him counting meaning none of the nazerus is reckoned to him. He doesn't bring a carbon for becoming the is him from bringing a carbon. This is obvious. The days don't count. The days don't count because even if he were to count in a state of and he became it would demolish certainly they don't count if he was to begin with. Now what does it mean if he leaves the basis and he comes back in he left the basis. He went back in. It counts regarding this. carbon. What does it mean? It counts. It means it counts as if he observed and now when he became it's and therefore he has to bring a carbon they argue when the guy becomes again like this. Does he have to go back and be again or is it enough in the Naz during his in other words like this the guy was in a he accepted upon himself. So it's not then he walks out. Is it automatically the moment he steps out or does he have to actively accept it upon himself? That will be an upcoming Raban and Lakish. Fine. Umar says not on the same day. Meaning if he left the Bakar and then he came back in on that very same day he does not it's not soyer that day. What does it mean it's not soer that day? That means when he becomes Tahar again then he it's like he already counted one day that day is now not down the drain. According to the Tanakama if he leaves the Bakar and then goes back in that day is down the drain. And when he starts to count the 30 days in a he has to count from day one. But according to no that doesn't count if he went in and out on the same day he doesn't lose that day. It's a special on the first days will fall down. Meaning it demolishes the first day. But there's no demolishing unless they're days. But if you didn't have two days, there's no concept of demolishing. There's no demolishing one day. One day can never be demolished. There is a one day nazerus stands forever. You can't demolish one day of Nazeros. Yeah. I'll tell you something when the camera is off. Fine. Um, fine. The Mishna continues. Uh, no. That's the end of the mission. Let's say someone made and he's in a cemetery says him. What does that mean? It takes it immediately. No, you see Toya said to said there's another when you become Tahar if you have to accept Nazirus again but this This is a separate. You ready for this? This says you're in a base. Their you accept it upon himself. Obviously the is it regarding other things. Are you allowed to drink wine? Are you allowed to cut your hair? There are many barbers that specialize in cemetery haircuts. They'll meet you, you know, meet me in Shur Gimmel Gush Gush uh you know Zion. But don't fall in, you know, it's it's you can get a special deal. Are you allowed to take a haircut in in the cemetery when the Naz wasn't are you allowed to drink wine? You know, like there's a bar, a traveling bar in the cemetery. So says, "Yeah, says the Naz, let's see, but we have to see the last on the Mishna. If he entered on the day that he became, he doesn't bring a carbon until he starts on the second day. When you demolish, you need to demolish two days. Then you bring a carbon. It could have brought the same as by that he became on the first day of being again is saying it could have brought this on a simpler case a nazer a regular nazer he wasn't in the bakar that he became on his first day count seven days you sprinkle and your toel and you count 29 days because the first day counts and your mig on the 30th day which is the 31st day of his nazeros. So in other words, it didn't really have to pick a case of a guy who accepted neros in a bakar walked out and then walked back in on that day. It could have picked a simpler case of a guy a regular nuzer that just became tame on his first day. It's whether there is tum whether there's stra on one day. Fine. One second. What is this tyus going on? Um what is this tyus going on? It's it should be before after you finish your term, it's only seven days. That's why he says if you're on the 30th day then it's not it's after the full period of it was already in Islam on day 29. This next is also going on before. So these are not in order according to he doesn't argue in the case where you said 30 days because 30 days means so according to it's as if he saidim and we don't say so it's everything according to mar also when you say 30 bush it's like you saidim and you don't say Therefore, doesn't argue. Now, back to the guy in the cemetery who accepted himself for everything. Now, here's here's another fact, fun fact. According to the says, it's not only for wine. It's not only for taking a haircut. It's also we tell the guy, "Get out. Get out. Get out of here." He said, "What do you mean? What's the problem?" "You're a ner." He said, "No, it wasn't yet." Well, even if it wasn't yet, it's forcing you to get out. So it can be and if you don't say you'll be there for say if they warn him to leave and for shaving when he becomes also says that one of the ramifications of that is not Not only you get not only do you get malas for the tum and for the and for the when you come out you don't have to accept upon yourself more nazer and says no the nazirus is not on you and he would have to accept upon himself nazer now let's explain the contains He holds the Nazeros is suspended and is looming in the air. The the Nazeros is floating, hovering, waiting to devolve soon as it becomes. So it devolves. at all. If he then says by the way I want to be another it's when he becomes if he doesn't say that not fine. Fine. >> What's your's reason? It says reason but not >> say it's floating. What's what's happenish feels that the words don't count or I mean, here's the thing. There's no there's no concept of being a nuzer for something. Let's say the guy says, "I'm only a nuzzer for wine." So it's not so is it's not for so therefore it's not for anything. We need to explain now what's the logic really says it is for it's for how is it for the is it's floating it it it it was it came out of his mouth the effectuation was created but it couldn't be it couldn't be but it it was created and now it's suspended That be that state of suspension is reality. So it's it is for it is a full nazer. You can't drink wine. You can't take a haircut. And even legab tuma it's there. It's just waiting to land. It's a reality. It just can't grasp on to and even tuma says you you're malus if the guy doesn't want to leave which is a pellet why is healus how could he be malus what's the lumbness of that how could a person be kalus for an isra that's the guy said I'm not leaving bam bam What? How? What's love was he over is it was now it's cuz since the gabi the other things it was he has a shame nazir and he's defiling his shame I but it wasn't it's interesting. uh you have to think about that >> it's not for me but says you don't have to take upon yourself again and say you do >> right >> that's the answer >> but >> even though it's suspended it's still you still have the shar >> but I I could understand that you don't have to take it upon yourself again cuz you already did however could you give the guy >> Malchus and his [cough] >> no it's not why is It was it's not >> otherwise why unless you would have to take it by yourself again. >> No. >> No. I I unleashed it and it will be when it's able to be but it's not yet. So I wouldn't I don't understand how you could be malus for what the iss for that. I mean it's not I mean even says it's not it's fine. The Gar continues. So in the cemetery even if he's there for 30 days it doesn't count. Mhm. Um, >> one second. The ano maybe carbon. He doesn't bring a carbon t. He doesn't bring a carbon to the carbon. Okay. He doesn't bring a carbon but listen to this. The guy made and it says and it doesn't bring a carbon. It doesn't bring a carbon but it's so that's mash that it actually is. Which now one second is it it's for sure but the bottom line is the mission. So says back when it says carbon it's not just you don't bring a carbon but you're not even in the category of tum in the first place. It's not just you don't bring a carbon. The hav was it says you don't bring a carbon but you are in the realm of of of being commanded not to become tame. No, what it means is you're not even in the realm of of being commanded not to be tame. Let's see. Meaning the remaining is regarding carbon. It's now it's interesting says this of it could have said it in a more concise fashion. It could have said the sois seems to be learning the gum that it's actually it's not just suspended it's actually says then you have to go back and accept Acceptance is your upon yourself. Even a small acceptance is sufficient. You don't need a full-fledged cababala. You don't have to say no. You could just refer to it. You could say, "Behold, I am like I pledge. Not only do you need to make an acceptance, if you don't make that formal acceptance, you're so brought. You don't bring a carbon because there's a a special. No, you're not at all. Okay, one more back and forth. We'll only see part of it. If the guy shaved or drank wine or so this is like that's why you get malus if it's not why would you get malus but it sounds like it's even it's It's even okay friends. So, we'll pick it up next week.