Daf Hashavua - Nazir 7a

Okay, good evening everyone. Welcome everyone to DA Zmud alif at the Mishna. And what an amazing time to be learning nazer before rashash shana. Why? Because you need to learn msaka nazer and now it's before rashashana. So it's a good time to learn it. Okay. So uh says the Mishna somebody says behold I am one nazir a big one I'm I'm going to take a big nazirus behold I'm going to take upon myself a big nazeros or Katana, I'm going to take upon myself a small one. So, you would think if a guy says, "I'm going to become a I'm going to take upon myself a big nazerus," he's he's going to he's not going to cut his hair for like uh five and a half years or a small one. Maybe he'll be a Nuzer for an hour. I'm going to be a Nuzer for an hour. You know, the guy is uh right now he's with Alcoholics Anonymous, but for an hour he could handle it, you know. So from here until the end of the world says from here until the end of the world it only takes 500 years. That's all it takes to get there. [snorts] You know if you drive on the belt that's ex or the vanwick that's how long it takes. You know takes 500 years. In all of these cases, he's a nazer for 30 days. [snorts] Doesn't matter how big he says he wants to take the nazerus. It doesn't matter how small he says he wants to take the nazerus. It doesn't matter even until the end of the world. He's a nazer for 30 days. [gasps] He's another for 30 days. says, "It don't matter if he says big." So what does he mean big or small? This nazerus is a big deal for me. It's a pain in the neck. What does he mean? It's small. It's It's a small deal for me. Even from now until the end of the world. [snorts] When he says from here until the end of the world, what he means is this is as big of a pain as going to the end of the world. Okay. Let's examine the gumar says the gra why you only for 30 days he's saying from here until the end of the world says he should be a until the end of the world he says I'm going to be until the end of the world so he should be a until the amount of time it takes to get to the end of the world answers Here's the this is as long for me as from now until the end of the world. You know, if you're at a sh and it's engaging, it's interesting and you know what it's going on. Time moves fast. But you know, if you're at one of those shirim that you don't know what the what the man's talking about and you're sitting there, then even one minute is an eternity. Even one it's Okay. Um, so that's what he means. This thing is long for me like from now until the end of the world. fine [snorts] says really he accepted upon himself one and we're lenient that is more reasonable because if he really meant he's going to be another for the amount of time it takes to get to the end of the world. He should have mentioned the number of the end of the world. This is interesting to me. They knew that says it takes 500 years, I guess, on foot. 500 years. I mean, is that the case? How long would it take to walk from one end of the the whole world? [snorts] >> I don't know. >> Planet Earth. Is that what you're they're saying? >> Oh, you're saying it means like the universe, man. >> The galaxy. >> I don't know. Check it out. They have these things that you could check it up on. What? What do they say? How long would it take to walk around the world if there was a bridge? You know, I don't know. You're saying um like to the nearest I don't know what it's referring to but says it is known that it takes 500 years. If he meant 500 years [snorts] he would have said 500 years. He would have said the amount of time that's a cla that if we don't know what the guy means we go. So we prefer to say lula that um we prefer to say that he means a regular nazerus. It's just as long as 500 years to him than to say he's actually accepting upon himself a zerus. So 500 years my chat says 3.7 years if you're walking on stuff. >> Okay. So if you rest let's say you know 10 years you know if you do it eight hours a day. >> Wow. Fine. We learned in the Mishna employee from here until uh a certain place. [snorts] We evaluate how much time it takes to get to that place. So let's say guy says I'm from here until bar park. So we have to figure out how long does it take to get to bar park. I'm not complaining. So if it's if it takes less than 30 days the guy is 30 days because it's 30 day minimum then if let's say um the guy says I'm here until San Diego. Basically, we've got I don't know how this is possible, but we got the strongest showing in the shar from San Diego. Yeah. Is that true? Yeah, it is. That's got to that's that's wild. Guinness Book of World Records that let's say um a guy says, "I'm a Nazer from now until San Diego. It takes 37 days to walk to San Diego." So the is your for the amount of days it takes to get from the capital of the United States which is Brooklyn till you get till uh San Diego. So one's one second. Why do we say he means he wants to be a ner for 37 days? Why don't we say no I'm going to be a nauseir and the nerus is a pain in the neck to me like the walk from Brooklyn to San Diego. Why don't we say the same thing that we say in the Mishna? This thing is so long to me from here to the Mishna. We say if the guy says I want to take a big nazeros, we say what he means is he wants to do 30 days and it's big for him because it's such a big pain in the neck for him. So why don't we say the same thing if he says from here until San Diego which is longer than 30 days. Why don't we say he means 30 days and the nazirus is a pain in the neck because it's like walking to San Diego says this Mishna that says that the length of his nazerus is how long the road the the travel is is he already started walking to is going to say if he already started walking he probably wants protection so he's accepting upon himself a commensurate nazerus to the length of his trip so that he should be protected on the trip cuz walking from from Brooklyn to San Diego is very dangerous. You never know what could happen. I don't know. You could lose your glasses or something. You never know. So, uh, look at No, I'm sorry. Right. That's the answer. Let's see. >> [snorts] >> This should not be worse. If right, if the trip is less than 30 days, it's no less than if he accept upon himself nazerus for one day, which you're for 30 days. [snorts] It should only be 30 days. Even if it takes 50 days to get and the answer is and then he accepted upon himself because of the extenduating circumstance of traveling. He acceptedly not to be saved to be spared from the danger of travel to the sum tally of days. All right. So far so good a new kasha the he called paru para wait a second in the Mishna if he says I'm going to be a nazer from here until pli so uh if the trip is longer than 30 days we say he's a nazer for 37 days if the trip is 37 days he's a ner for 37 days ask the garra. Why don't we say that for every para para is 4 mil? I think I once saw a paras 2.6 miles for why don't we say for every 2.6 6 miles he's accepting upon himself another nazerus duration a duration of 30 days why don't we say for every para that you know how many para is it from Brooklyn to San Diego I don't know how many miles is it [snorts] I don't know I'm guessing 300 m I don't know more 500 miles how big is it what do the Okay. >> 3,000 maybe. >> 3,000. >> Wow. Mhm. 3,000 maybe. No. But what is it? We don't know. >> 2700 miles. >> Whoa. Okay. That was good. That was good. Okay. Okay. So, 2700 miles. So, that's um 1,000 para, right? Basically 1,000 para. So, right, we so we should say the guy accept upon himself a thousand in his 30-day periods. So, say what what kind of question is that? Where did the Gumar dream up that a guy is accept when he says I'm going to be a nazer from here until ply that for every measurement of distance he's accepting another amount well we'll see the garra is going to get this from a source says I we're talking about till San Diego you know anyone from San Diego that ever used paras I know I know lots of people from San Diego they comprise like 25% of the sh and I never heard them use para they don't measure things in para so we're talking about a place where they don't measure things in para says then it should be measured by each lodging when do you lodge you lodge at night so it should go by how many days it takes to get from here to your destination like how long is it from here to California. Um, I guess if you're walking, I don't know how long it would take. If you drive, what is it? 4 days. How long would it take to drive? So, you should say uh four four nazerus periods. Why don't we say four nazerus periods? Now the gar is revealing where it got this whole notion from to begin with that a person accepts upon himself nazer is commensurate with the units of either distance or time didn't we learn I am like the dust of the earth were like the hair of the head are like the sand in the sea [snorts] he is a noer forever not of that. He's just a a always in a state of nazerus. He is constantly again and again and again and again accepting upon himself a nazerus every 30 days. Nonstop nazerus acceptance and he shaves once every 30 days. So we see from here that when you [snorts] accept upon yourself nazerus deter based on items for each item you accept another nazerus period. So why don't we say the same thing if a guy says the amount of time from here to San Diego either it's by the para and it's not by the par it's by the lodging. Why don't we also say it's uh by the unit of measurement of that distance to which the gar is going to make a major distinction between when the unit is indeterminate or when the unit when the unit could be counted. You see when the unit could be counted then we have a right to say you're um making the acceptance of of the nazerus based on a determined number. But when it's indetermined like the hair of the head which can't be counted or like the sand. So then we're not going to say you're a noer for that long of a period because it's that would be impossible to know how long that period is. Instead we say for each unit you're the only thing now it happens to be we will never figure out how many units you've accepted upon yourself. But no worry, once you've gotten past um you won't even get past the first line of hair when you're already in the next world. So you see if you're making it contingent on something that's countable, we'll say the duration is based on that item which is countable. But if it's not countable, it's not countable, then we say for each one you're accepting another unit. [snorts] answers the gamarra anything that has a set amount is the Mishna wasn't talking about when it said that you accept upon yourself a unit a series based on each unit look in tyus now uh this this tricked you a little bit because the tyus continue on to the next page so it's good news and bad news the next page is very short there are a lot of toys for many of the the upcoming are still on for from our [snorts] says Gamara I'm sorry see the topis on zaru para I'm park we're asking on the Mishna [snorts] We're asking on the Mishna or asking on the Mishna. I don't think that's how I learned the gamarra. I learned the garra that we're asking on the Mishna that the garra happened to have just mentioned that if you say that I'm a nazer until I get to such and such place then if it's more than 30 days then it's the amount of time that it takes to get there. So the garumar is asking the way I learned is that no why don't we say he's accepting another nazerus amount commensurate with the number of paras there is butus says differently says it's asking on the when you say from here until the end of the world Why don't we calculate how many par until the end of the world by the number of how much time it takes to get into the end of the world which is we're not just asking on the the the now the reason why didn't learn like me even though um if you look in your in um in the art scroll or the mifa they did learn like me and I and I was wondering that the other approach the way I learned is very because why would the garra all of a sudden ask a question on a Mishna that was randomly quoted then we we randomly brought in the Mishna of uh employee that Mishna is found later on. So now we brought that Mishna. Now we're attacking that Mishna. No says Tyus. I'm going to tell you the correct shot. We're asking on our Mishna. Our Mishna said that if you say I'm a Nazer until the end of the world then is your Nazer for 30 days. No. Why don't you say your commence with with the number of para and the answer the first answer is money para we're talking about in a place they don't count it and then the garra asks why don't we count it by the number of in [snorts] stops the amount of days And the Gar and the Gar answers as explained by we say that he accept upon himself many and we don't explain his words to be lenient. Why? When the guy says, "I'm a nuzer like the hair on my head." We don't say, "No, I'm a nuzzer for 30 days." And it's so long. It's like it's like the duration of the number of hairs on my head. And the answer is there's a difference between the end of the world and here on the head. You see the end of the world has an end. It's only 500 years. But the hair on the head where the sand and the sea cannot be counted. Okay. Well, Mishani, I'm glad we're doing because you could have theoretically learned the garra wrong had you used most of the uh available resources to the Jewish world today. However, Tyus is Tyus says it's wrong and >> term called abna. >> Yeah. seems to be referring to our Mishna because then if it was the the other Mishna, why didn't it say? Well, even if it's referring to our Mishna, it also could have said since we know it's 500 years. Yeah. But now we didn't we weren't specifying by thean the says that we use the days that it takes for him to walk. So the then the should have said so then each day should be why each lodging. So that fits with >> Yeah, I hear any matter that has a set time. The mission didn't teach not just the case where the guy says until San Diego even till the end of the world. If it was commensor with the number of he should have said explicitly it's it's um yeah okay So the hair, the sand, the dust, doesn't have a kit or minion. And therefore it's not one duration that he's accepting upon himself but rather for each unit he's accepting upon himself a different uh amount of nazirus. Now the garra says a proof that there's a difference between an indeterminate item that you hinge the nazir on and a determinate item. This is Benusa. We learned in aa now this is going to be a proof but it's not exactly the same thing. I'm aer all the days of my life or har is a nazer. He's a nazer forever. What does that mean? He's a nazer forever. Not that he's another um he's a Nazer forever. I think that means I'm sorry. He's a Nazer for good. He's a Nazer for good. Why why don't we say that he's a nazer for each day that he accepted upon himself or for each year? No, cuz nobody has any idea how many days they're going to live and how many years they're going to live. So therefore, it's indeterminate. Now, in this case, we're not going to say that it's In this case, we're not going to say what's the other option. Um, this is >> in other words, this like the sand. [clears throat] It's not like det this is indeterminate. The only thing is we said before by indeterminate that for each item that you made it contingent upon you're accepting another period. But here you didn't word it that way. So here the indeterminate will play out a bit differently. The way it plays out is you're just a permanent nazer. Okay? as opposed to. But if he says he's not a permanent nazer, what is he? He's a nazer forever. What does that mean? He's a nazer forever. basically he's a nuzzer for a hundred years or for a thousand years now he's never gonna he's never going to live it out right but since he made it dependent on a countable time frame so then his nazirus is countable it's 100 years or a thousand years as opposed to he says for the rest of my life which is indeterminate then we just say he's a nazir forever he's a nazir forever or not actually forever just always mean if he says there's no way to count that it's indeterminate so therefore we say he's what's called as opposed to a guy who said he's a ner for 100 years you see if if the guy let me just clarify if a guy says I'm a ner for the rest of my life then he's a nazer of shalom which means that if his hair gets heavy he could cut it but if he says I'm a nazer for 100 years then we say he's a ner for 100 years and in year 70 he still can't cut his hair let's see this just shows it's not going to play out exactly like in the previous case but it shows there's a difference between accepting something a nazerus based on something that could be [clears throat] counted as opposed to accepting ner based on something that can't be counted If a guy says all the days of my life or forever. There's no set time. Nobody knows how long they're going to live. And therefore, you could cut your hair if it gets too heavy. Or you could bring and then you bring three animals. Uh according to the different opinions brought before what does [snorts] I'm not sure what means there are different opinions of what another shalom is. Then continues. He probably won't live that long and it will end up occupying his whole life. Nevertheless, he's not a shalom. He's just a very very long Nazer. to lighten his hair. Why? Um let's see further in the garra. Rabba Rava says what does Rabba say? Let's see. hair is going to be different then again this is going to be an aamina between tyus and the other way of learning but we're let's go with tyus in other words why by here do we say it's per unit of hair and in our we just say it's a 30-day period says hair is distinctive one from another and therefore if you make it dependent on hair a hair is a separate unit as opposed to if you just say till the end of the world there no separate units there the the units are not distinctive hair or sand or granules are distinctive says wait a second gabi but these also by the way this is mashma not like Dr. Right? Because here now but by days are also distinctive according to we're not talking about days. We were talking about days going back on the Mishna of the number of days it it takes to get from here to San Diego. Yeah. Says gar unless it's really going it's really a question on both. You could say it's a question on both. What it's doing here is that it's a question on our Mishna but it's also a question on that Mishna says um by days also it was evening it was morning one day so days are also distinctive no it's just the day has ended but still the days are not distinctive one from the other they're not separate entities the march of time time just flows one into the other who there it's not separate what's the saying that a day and a night it's one day but they're not separate from each other says stop asking So many questions. Stop asking so many questions. Hassam shani hass the mission is differentias. By the way, like ra saying, you know why in the Mishna we make it a 30-day period? Because the guy said Omarini one, he said one. One implies one unit of nazeras. So we're not going to make it dependent on how many days it takes till it gets to outer space. But if he didn't say the word then despite the fact that it's not like hairs and they're distinctive like Rabba said or despite the fact that you can't count it um like the said earlier then it would also be endless. Let's look in the days these are not separate one from another. So therefore you could say he only accepted one because the the knights are not separate from each other. It's coming implies we're separating it from the second day. If so, the days are separate and they're distinctive. And the answers Day and night are one. The night before the day regarding it's not separating it from the following day. All the days are in touching each other. And answer the word. It's going back on the first case. Keani meaning let's go back to the Mishna. The mission said Omariasana or the word doesn't say I know. But this raba is reading it as if it said that that is then meant to be read for the third case as well. that that third case it's as if it said I think that's whatus is saying that um he's saying um the first it's going back on the also even though like Dr. Phil said it's it doesn't say a it only says by the first two cases and that's why the first two amar didn't give that answer but ra says stop asking so many questions how many times is going to say aas when it says akas the third case is going back on the aas >> I think the word afu is the Mishna talking but not the guy talking the Mishna is saying ailu Even if the guy said quote unquote, that's how we're reading it. Okay, everyone have an amazing night. Tomorrow, um, should you take a vote? One second. Recording stopped.