Daf Hashavua - Nedarim 2a

this Torah class is brought to you by Torah anytime.com okay we're starting with just a brief intro to the methodology of how we're going to do the M I have a little bit uh this week I have to so to speak uh cover some ground because I'm going to be away um next week so I want to just tell you about the methodology there's no Rashi onad the Rashi on the side of the page is not Rashi and the tus onad is a different style of tus than the rest of sh the primary commentary is thean thean is so to speak like a hybrid uh type of P it explains the Shakara and it also brings questions from Shas I do want to read portions of the ran inside so while we usually when we learn the gamar we just read the gamar side we'll speak out the rashis sometimes we'll speak out tus in thead if possible I would like to read portions of the ran inside okay I'm going to tell you where I am so um so you could follow along the Mish begins all nicknames of Nadar are like Nar which means you don't have to actually say the word n but even if you say a word that's a nickname for NE that would be just as valid as a NE now now the ran is going to to teach us that there are really two kinds of nadaram there's nadaram where you create an is and it becomes Hees to or as a carbon and is not really speaking about that type of is speaking about where youer on yourself something now if you're going to make a for the you could only make a on your own possessions I can't say that you're uh computer is belongs to the bab I can only say my computer belongs to the bab I can't answer your stuff I can only answer my stuff however if I'm creating a that's n then I could say my stuff is user to me I could say your stuff is user to me I could say my stuff is user to you I can't say your stuff is user to you in other words I have more control if I'm if I'm making something owned by the B mikdash I can only do it to my stuff but if I'm creating an iser I can make an iser on my things to me on your things to me and on my things to you I can't answer your things to you and I can't answer someone else's things to anybody else so we're talking about n now n there are two ways of doing it you could make a NE where I just say this thing is user to me as a nether or or I could say this apple which was already user to me as a I say to Apple B apple b should be like apple a that's called where I so to speak utilize something that was already user through a NE to extend that iser to something else that's calleda actually the opinion of the rush is that every sing you have to use the process OFA where you have to say that this thing is user to me like that other thing like something else the ran says no you don't have to use that you could also use the method of hatasa I could say this thing is AER to me or I could utilize the principle that uh this thing is AER to me like something else so all nicknames of nadaram are like Nadar please take a look at the r inside says the r the first round we're not going to read all the RS in the D I'm sorry not the in the uh the da sends out a so if you want to know on we're going to be reading this part of the run a few lines in the middle and a few lines at the end that's what we're going to be doing this way you have an idea okay so could be one of two ways number one where something to the to the temple this you cannot be something you can only be M something which is yours and when I render something owned by the B mikdash it is then user to everyone I can only donate something to the Bas which is mine but once I do it is AER to the whole world but that is not what this m does about says the other type of is I on myself things which are and in this way I could your stuff on me and it is not equal to everyone it will only beer to me it won't beer to you this is going to be speaking about that which we're about to see the next line in the mishna that nicknames of are like this that we're talking about is just like you could make a and render something owned by the mikash but that's not the we're talking about either over here could also includes like we learned later on if a person says I am to you as a the one who the was on is if I say I am to you as a I'm to you if I say you are to me it's for this latter case that where somebody makes a not that it should go to the but that you're creating an like but the subject of does not belong here now the our subject here of is in one of three a primary NE where a person says I this thing to me as number two where I say this item is not a nether but I use a nickname for a nether well we're going to see what a nickname for nether is you know a word that sounds like nether instead of a word that sounds like Nether and like a half ather a suggestion a suggestive term for you know what is this matter this thing iser to me comes the r and the ran asserts his position not like the rush whether you try to utilize something else that was already user and say this apple should be like the first Apple that was ready or you didn't invoke anything else T that is a that is said in the T by the way if you look in the rush on the side of the gar on the fourth line Fifth Line the rush says it's in tiny letters the is when yous by utilizing something else that was already user by your declaration carb let's say this is very important when you use the methodology of you can say well uh this apple is user to me just like the piece of pig over there you can't invoke a piece of pig you know why because a piece of pig is intrinsically AER and I'm trying to create an a superimposed iser you can't there's no there's no correlation between a inherent iser like Pig and a superimposed is the only way to utilize the process OFA is if I invoke something that was also an iser created through my words like a carbon or a previous and then I extended to the next item but I can't I can't extend an iser that was an inherent is I can only extend something which is uh is so the rush learns that the only really way to make a is througha thean learns that no you utilize either method okay Ella look at back in the round the last second to last narrow line when you use you need to be in something that became through and not through something which is like we learned in the beginning of the um why does it have to why do you have to be you have to make a in something that was previously through a not like the rush even though a could take place without the process of nevertheless if you did use it has to be that you were in something that was previously user as a if you use the process of this is what's a Kino right what's a nickname for a nether Theo um I'm sorry carbon let's say instead of saying this apple should be also to me like a carbon I say like a or like a or like a it's as if you said okay let's move on in the mishna also nicknames of like so the says in middle of the page what does that mean let's say instead of saying these items are user to me as a I use the word or or as if you said now we're going to see on a very interesting says this is in the r on the fifth wide line that that these are just languages of the G and says no these languages are just languages the rabbis made up but there's no real difference because whether they're the language of the G or languages the rabbis made up language is not inherent language is just so to speak a convention that people we all agree that when we refer to uh Tyro let's let's call it learning it doesn't mean there's anything inherent about the English word learning that it refers to T just we came to the consensus so that I know what you're talking about you know what I'm talking about that the word learning will be referring to Tyra but nevertheless that's that's not since all language is really a consensus therefore whether whether these are Gentile words or rabic madeup verbiage either way it would be effective fine now um the M continues nicknames of sh would be like a instead of let's say saying Shu AO of a Shu you said sh or any nickname for Shu it will be like a or a nickname for will be like nus look at the r for lines the bottom fine says the someone who says says to his friend I Amer in a from you I am separated from you I am distant from you and the way the r explains it yeah I'm NE from you I'm separated from you I'm dising from you that what that I'm not going to eat from yours that I'm that I'm going to taste from you it'ser the says three lines from the these are examples of y y are suggestions of another well you don't say it out right cuz this guy never said Amer he just said that I am separate from you or distant from you that I'm going to taste pal just say you're user he never said you're user but he so to speak made a suggestive statement that he wants to be user so that's not a nickname that's called y just like a handle of a CLE drags along the rest of the CLE a suggestion of a NE drags along the rest of the nether okay I'm sorry look in the r what he means to say is I am from you that I'm going to eat of yours or I take a from you I'm going to taste of you the same thing all these three expressions of and are going on or and these are because he did not he never said it's like a carbon or he never said one more thing there are two different G here some are go I'm distant from you I'm far from you I'm s from you that I'm going to eat and some have a that I am not going to is it that I'm in eating or tasting or is it that I'm that I'm not going to okay and then the mishna ends off okay let's say somebody says I am AUD to you now Mana could mean I'm in or it could just mean I'm distant from you okay the Rashi is referred to as the MAF here says it's like let's say somebody says you know I'm like I'm in to you I'm a to youa literally was like he rubbed to be M the r on Z explains the terminology um means like somebody who's mic you know somebody who can't clarify his mind he starts scratching his head or is a of the pallet he would you know like you ask a rabbi a question and he doesn't know what to say is it m is it he starts making all these noises and he's he's doing things with his tongue and he's what's what's the rabbi doing that's called he can't say definitively it's but he's not comfortable saying that it's m so that's called being so so in this case r says in the case of was friends that is B if you could please do me a favor can we do B B tonight because as I mentioned I'm going to be away a little next week and I really want to stay ahead and it's only 9:38 so how how about we do it okay it's so it's pretty short okay thank you there you go thank you you've just experienced another Torah class brought to you by Torah anytime.com