Daf Hashavua - Nedarim 3b

okay welcome everyone we continue in we're learning the just discussed how do I know we learn out and we extend it toad because it Compares NAD to just like say and just like the father could and the the father for and the for so says wait second how do I know because it says it also says so what do I need a heish for the same double that it says by it says by says the problem is it says the noun after the verb if it would have said the noun before the verb then you could have made the same jasha but now that it says the verb before the noun which is the typical way the tah talks and therefore you can't make anything of the fact that there's double why what are you going to say according to the so the says what do I do um what do I do with Linder meaning according to the one who doesn't hold of then since I have a heish what do I do with Lind says according to Lind I'll learn out and I'll learn out just like and what do I do with to teach me that this is where we're up to okay and what about the what about according to the opinion so I can't learn out from Lind and teaches me and I can't learn anything from and we to make like and Lind I can't do anything and I need where do I learn out that and I learn out I need to learn out from um how do I know says well it would be fine and good if you hold but if you hold how do I know it says the name leav are it should say is Linda is lindar what's that extra doing there I learn out two things I learn out and I learn out the round explains there is no difference and meaning between liar and laazer because anyway very often when there's a hay the hay gets swallowed but it so why should it why should it have said lar lar is more parallel to lindar lar is more similar in construct to lindar why does it switch to laazer I colar out two things says the ran laraz there's no difference many very often the is absorbed and swallowed it should have written similar to fine thear continues in the West they said some there is a t that learns out from Lind that's the T of the of we learn it out from Lind and there is a Tana that learns it out we just said uh there's a Tana that learns it out from but now we're bringing another opinion from we learn out sorry in the west they said they do not learn out to from rather like this according to and this what does he do with he learns out that a a that's partially m is so basically is learned from that is for who's that meaning there is a t that learns out from meaning if you say so if you say then how do I know I learn out from even though this T in the west did not learn need to learn out two things from lar meaning he wasn't able to he is able to learn out both things from the fine now we're up toar we said earlier that just like you could be so too we said earlier I understand you know how you could have a violation of this loaf I'm going to eat I eat it now you know the rule this is one of the main rules in life any day you learn rabar is a good day okay I'm happy you know that rle we already learned one in the morning by Mish if you want by the way you could join us 9:00 a.m. Misha I see a lot of people that I remember from a previous lifetime like at 9:00 a.m. you know but um rer asked like this the gamar saying you could be by for example if you say I'm going to eat this Loaf and you didn't eat it there's no such thing as a nether like that there's no such thing as a nether I will eat this loaf you can't make a nether I will eat this Loaf a nether is you create an iser and say this iser to me like AAR there's no such thing as a I make a I'm going to eat supper that's like saying I I I make a french fries that I'm going to eat I'm going to eat tuna fish what that's called word salad that doesn't make any sense we don't deal we already eliminated that on Tuesday okay we don't there's no such thing as nonsensical verbiage we voted that out the people spoke okay there is no concept of making a n that I will do something unless it's a Mitzvah there's something called but to say that you're going to it's a we already had that is says on the fourth line now even a NE that I'm not going to eat something many what you mean to say is you're creating but what does the mean that you could be over you could be over if you say what it should say is you could be over if you say and you eat it okay so how do you have since you said so then have you're another you didn't violate it you didn't you didn't break you didn't you weren't you didn't render in your words so you're azer the thing is if you if you say harer and you drink wine or you eat grapes um if you ate in other words if he says if he eats let's say a grape he's over if he drank from a grape he's over but there's no by there's but byus there's no now thean ask what are you talking about why can it be if you make a NE I'm not going to eat something I'm and by I'm don't eat it and what exactly is the's question how could you have a heish that tells you that just like by there's and saying you can have if you make there and you violate it but by nazus there's a different La of you're now to eat from the grape you're now to drink from the grape so how could there be an is what do you mean how could there we just made a heish that said there's also an is so the ran says what the gar means is it's not logical that if byad there's only an then byus there's two there already is an so it's not going to be similar to Nadar Nadar the but by there already is an take a look in the r first wide line how do we find that you're only over just like there's only one because if not they wouldn't be equal and another explanation in the's question is whenever we could expound a heish or any liod for something we do instead of saying well it's just there to make you over another it's not there just to tell me you're over another here to we should try to utilize the Hees to teach me something else and not just to say it's even though you're over the LA of don't eat and don't drink you're also over the LA of um um answers the the answer is you know what it is there just to make you over Tov and it's not perfectly equal to says when we say in that we try to utilize for something other than just another that's when you have a in the but if there's just a heish the heish is there for whatever it's there for and in this case it would be there for to teach that you're over an extra lava here the is comparing it to whatever it's possible to compare it to um now fine the gar continues because the the Bry said earlier on G that the heish ofad teaches me that just like if I delay bringing so too if I delay ask the how could you have a case why why not maybe where it's I I delay becoming AER what do you mean you delay becoming AER if you say har you are AER there's nothing delaying say so well maybe cuz I'm not observing it well then you're violating it but you're not delaying it it was already says once you say you're a another you're AER if you eat you're violating don't eat the product of a grape look in the r um [Music] now the r okay fine says gamar says the this is what the's question is how do you have a case of you can't say you have an example about the same way you have namely let's say a guy says I accept upon myself to bezer the same way if somebody says I accept to be M of a carbon if you delay the carbon three reg you're so to if somebody says if I delay observing theay it's not similar because if you say until you do a you're delaying fulfillment of that commitment but when you say no is needed it happens the no action is needed to fulfill anything by your carbon you have to do an act so if you delay the ACT you're over about but if you say I'm AER you don't have to do anything so it it's it takes effect immediately he says who says I have I accept upon myself to bring a carbon he's just lacking an act bringing it it's impossible to say that be immediately over here since it's not lack he's not missing anything then Aus takes effect immediately and he's a there's no so now this back in the gamar well maybe the cas is where he says you know when I want to be a nazer I'll be azer he accepts upon himself when I want to be AER I'll be AER so if he delays being a more than three he's over and is going to say why is he ever about to he explicitly stipulated when I want he didn't he didn't want you yet meaning don't say you're over when the guy says when I want because there's no such thing as delaying when you want you don't want until you want when he says when I want I'll be AER ask if he says when I want so comes R and R says a great possibility right we're trying to find how could you have a case where you're over for delaying observing theer said says I will not die before I accept upon myself nerus the guy says I will not leave this world before I accept upon myself nerus now nobody knows when they're going to go they have apps for everything but they haven't created let's say an app that sends you a notification 24 hours before it's time you know you got to start getting it starts buzzing you know 24 hours you know you get buzzes every three times an hour 12 hours before they haven't created that yet um so if a guy says I will not leave this world before I'm AER then he has anas to accept upon himself neros immediately because he never knows when he's going to go and therefore if he delays three accepting the from that moment oner he's immediately azer you know what this is like this is like you know the is if you're a any here yeah no but you've met you've heard that there are khanim out there right I'm sure you've heard about such a thing so there khanam out there and they eat truma do their wives eat truma their wives eat truma as long as they're married to them what what if ay says to his wife I am divorcing you one one moment before I die so she can never eat truma cuz every every minute he might die and then if she was eating truma a minute before his dying will activate the G and if there was a g he she wasn't allowed to eat truma so what do we see from there we see that when something is dependent on death you have to be concerned every moment for it it's like guy who says to his wife this is your get and moment before my death sonone who says to his wife this is your G one moment before I die she's user to eat truma immediately why because he might die any minute by the way that means let's say let's say she ate truma and he didn't die she didn't do an AA because it turns out that he didn't die but if somebody said I will not leave the world until I am azer even if he remained alive he if he delayed accepting The Naz he's still violating but the says from here we see every moment we have to be concerned May here also have another immediately he's another because we say he might die now let's see the ran say ran we're on one two 3 four five six lines from the bottom answers example if he says I will not leave the world until I will be and in such a case from that moment on he uh he is established in the category of just like when we suspect one who says to his wife what's the case a who says to his wife that I am giving you a get one moment moment before I die so she cannot eat immediately out of the concern that she might die now listen to what the r is saying it's not exactly parallel to the case of a guy who says to his wife I divorce you an hour before I die it's not perfectly comparable why a guy who says to his wife I will divorce you an hour before I die if she ate the Trum and he didn't die her husband didn't die she didn't do a but a guy who says I will not leave this world until I become a na even if he doesn't die right away immediately since he stipulated and he said I will not leave this world you know what that means what he's saying is as follows neros it is upon me to count neros Bean in a way that there is no concern that I ever won't fulfill this vow what he's saying is I take upon myself to do in a zeros in a way that there will not be a concern that I won't be able to fulfill this which means he has to do it immediately lest he die so even if he doesn't die if he didn't accept the nazus he didn't fulfill his commitment that he committed to accept nazus in a way where there is no possible concern that he might not be able to fulfill it even though the is not I'm going to beer now but he's violating immediately now the the has aakha the's K how do I know you're over we learn that from but you're not over until three regum pass so how are we saying byos you're over immediately we're saying just like by what's the case over where a guy says I won't leave the world until I accept upon myself in Aeros where he it's incumbent upon him to accept the Aeros immediately that's not parallel to Nadar Nadar we cut you some slack we say you have at least three regum to do so um he says even though it's possible to ask from where do I learn if over there you don't have only after three here too um I'm sorry here also it should only be after three the says no he just said Al so we interpret St is three but here he said I will do it immediately he didn't say I am a nazer but rather I will accept upon myself naus in a way where there's no possible um concern that I won't be able to do it he said so it's like he said what would be if somebody took a notb carb so then he's we don't give him okay so that's so we did in one week two blot and like I mentioned um this coming week I'm not around and I'm not around the following week until Thursday so we still have to do one more maybe maybe M shabas okay and then you'll you'll be off for like uh um 10 days to review the first two and a half lot sorry that's uh okay have a good night everyone and we'll see everybody uh soon thank you very much C sorry what