Daf Hashavua - Nedarim 84a

Good evening, friends. I'm Michael Abba, and we're continuing in Daf Hashavua, Maseches Nedarim, daf hey dalid, daf pay dalid. And the there's a discussion whether a husband is a human being or not. Is a husband a person? You know, is a husband like what are the options? There's a woman who once came and she complained to her friend, you know, "My husband, he's like a malach." "Like a malach? What do you mean?" "So, actually, I'm not sure if he is a malach, he's not a malach, but one thing's for sure, he's not a mensch." Anyway, anyway, that's the question is is a husband a person? Is a husband a person? It doesn't sound as bad as you think. Meaning, the question is when a woman prohibits people, is her husband one of the people that she prohibits or he's not one of them? She doesn't think of him that way. Rav Nachman on Perek Gimmel on Bais said, "A husband is not a person." As opposed to the other two answers of the Gemara. The Gemara said that um Ulla said he's not a person. And Rava said he is, and Rav Nachman said he is not. So, the Gemara says, "Asei Rava l'Rav Nachman." Rava asked Rav Nachman. Now, the truth is Rava could have asked Ulla, but maybe Rava Rava didn't meet Ulla. Rava met Rav Nachman. So, now Rava is asking Rav Nachman the following question. Rava's going to prove that a husband is a person, "U'vala marries her. A husband's not a person. But we learned in the Mishnah If a woman says, "I am removed from the Yidden." So, presumably that means that she's not allowed to get have relations with any other Jews. The husband annuls his share. And she lives with him. And she remains prohibited from other Yidden. That's the Halacha. She says she took this big Neder, "I'm assur to Jews. I'm removed from Jews." Which is assumed to mean that she does not have relations with other Jews. Now, whether she does it or not is not so relevant to the husband. Whether she has relations with him is relevant to the husband. So, he could annul his chelek. And she remains annulled She remains removed from Jews. So, the Gemara says, "If you're going to say a husband is not a person This is an afflictive Neder. And he should always be able to annul this Neder. The words of the Gemara don't make any sense. They cannot be read. There's no way to read them. How do you read the words of the Gemara? That's why the Ran and I was looking at it this morning trying to figure out what's the Gemara's kasha over here. So, I looked at the Ran and I realized the Ran doesn't have these words of the Gemara. The Ran has different words. And according to the Ran's words, the question is so simple. Think about the Neder. The Neder is the The woman said, "I am removed from Jews." So, what's the halakha? The halakha is um the husband could annul his chelek. What do you mean he could annul his chelek? He's not a person. She never assered him. How could he annul his chelek? There is no chelek. He's not asser. The girsa of the Ran is A say rather the 20 minute you do them shall us rather not touch me some aleha the number of our club Rio la la la la farah the Ran has the girsa la la la farah. Why does he have to annul it? He was never asser in the first place. The you loya have a list he was never asser. It's so much easier if you could change the girsa. >> [clears throat] >> And the answer is a um the answer is oilam really I'll tell you really I'll tell you that a husband is not a person but shani haha a malacha going to say to you shani haha here the husband is included. The mukha milza because it's clear the al had asser nafsha she's assering what was muter think about it. She says I'm asser to Jews. Lady you're married woman of course you're asser to Jews you're asser to every single Jew except for your husband. What do you mean you're asser to Jews? You're married. Aha I mean I'm asser to my husband. So in general a husband is not a person but in this case it's clear he's what the person who she's assering cuz otherwise what's she assering? She's assered everybody anyway as a married woman. So according to the Ran the Ran's girsa the question is why does the husband have if a husband is not a person she never assered him then why did why does the husband have to annul it? And the answer is in this case it's clear he's is person. Says >> [clears throat] >> says the run Really, I'll tell you In general, he's not a person. I will have her but over here When she answers relations, cuz she said Natula. Natula sounds like she's answering relations. Obviously, her das is that the husband is the flower of the Easter. She's answering her He's She's answering someone who is motor. to be you Sura la la la la Mesa. Why would she need to answer someone that's also she's already answered to them? And since there is no hater the only person who she's allowed to have relations to is her husband. So that means I'll equal who less her touch mission. It must be her equal neither is to answer his touch mission. He'll cook. In general, a husband is not a person. Here it's clear she meant him because otherwise who does she mean? The question was if a husband is not a person and she never answered him, then why does he have to annul it? And the answer is here it's clear she meant him. Now, that we just did the legislated have not the dafa shwarans. However, I'm going to do something very unconventional now. I'm going to do a run that's not legislated. And the reason I'm going to do it is number one, I understand it. And number two, it actually explains our Gersa. It's always nice to be able to read the Gamara and understand the words of the Gamara that it says instead of saying, you know, I can't really explain what the Gamara says, but it's okay cuz the Ron has other words. So, the Ron has a very uh somewhat innovative way to understand this Gamara. And it's also very simple. And it's like this. Equal of Okay. Um [clears throat] the equal Nuski the Garsi, there are those Nuski's that have a Gersa, which is what it says in our Gamara. V E Amrit Balab Labriusu, it's Nidre Inoi Nefesh. So, then he should be able to be Mayfer. Meaning like this, I'll say it outside. If the husband's a person, then when she says Natula Anim and Hai Yehudim, she means the husband. And then you could say what she means is Tashma Shamita. And she's coming to answer the Tashma of her husband together with all Jews. Therefore, he could annul his Chelek. And if she gets divorced, then she'll be also to all Jews because that's not Inoi Nefesh anymore. That's Dvaram Shabeinoi Labena, that the old husband that doesn't have control over. But question, if the husband's not a person, then when she said Natula Anim and Hai Yehudim, could someone please explain to me what she meant? The husband's not a person, what did she mean? I'm removed from all Jews. She can't have Tashma with all Jews? She wasn't able to anyway because she was she's a married woman. Must be Natula Anim and Hai Yehudim means I'm not going to get any benefit from all Jews. Oh, you know, I can't get any benefit from all Jews? That already is in the dry you know in a fish. She can't mean Tashlich cuz she's already also. She must mean I'm not going to have fruits. Well then that's in a fish. Well if it's in a fish then why is the ball only annoying his leg? He should annoy everyone's leg because it's in a fish. And the answer is really in general the husband is not a person. But here it's that he is because the word means Tashlich and therefore it has to be going on the husband since she's also to everyone else. That is how the run explains the wording of the Gamora that we have. >> [clears throat] >> And that's basically the bulk of today's Ahmad. We'll just begin the next Gamora. And uh the rest of the Sugya this coming Sugya we'll do tomorrow. The mission said that if she says I'm not getting benefit from all people the husband cannot annoy it. Which be because he could she could get benefit from him. And it says she could benefit from a chick on paya. Why does it say she could benefit from a chick on paya and not nicer honey? That's another gift to the poor. Why did the mission to say the honey from a chick on paya? Says the Gamora the honey from a nicer honey. It doesn't say nicer honey. I don't know why it's a nice but we learned in a it's actually a over nicer honey. It says in the a chick on paya and nicer honey. I'm going to like a shower. Huh? are you doing there? How are you doing there? Whether she gets the master only is a mockery of the lesson of a button. Namely, the tonight lesson of a woman. And Adam Sarah like Royce shame on my sir only shall the mind. A person does not have to pronounce and say that they're being master fish master only on the mind. The mind is when you buy produce from an amorous. The mind means dummy. We don't know if the amorous took off trumous amices. We have to work concerned that he didn't. So, normally if you purchase true if you purchase grain from an amorous, it's dummy. It's a unknown status and you'll have to be master fish truma. Now, if you're master fish truma you can have to give it to a coin. What are you going to do with it? Master on the other hand it's a suffix. Now, the master is 10% from that 10% the you're not going to have to give it to a lady because you could tell the lady, you know what? I'm not sure I have to give it to you. But from that 10% one of the 10 is trumous master. From master 10% of the master goes to the coin. So, that that looks is looking around how the came amorous so glad I answer. You have to take off master of a lotion trumous master. The noise in the coin. But the master we should go fight my actually not to the master we should not sell you could keep for yourself after chef free say. Cuz since master we should not to a Tsar you see whatever you're taking off is master fish. Truma you have to be master fish and you can't hold on to it cuz you're not mesufek, you're you can't eat it, you're not a cohen, so you have no choice, mesufek you're giving it to the cohen. Ma'aser rishon, anyone can eat ma'aser rishon. It's only it's financially belongs to the Levi, but in this case it's a sufek, so you could say to Levi, "I'm not giving it to you, and I'm going to eat it." Um You can keep the ma'aser rishon after you separate it cuz it's mutal lezarim, and we'll see what Rav Aryeh says. When it comes to ma'aser ani, you see ma'aser rishon you have to separate, why? But maybe the maybe the am ha'aretz did it already. I have to separate it in order to give terumas ma'aser. You can't have terumas ma'aser if you don't have ma'aser. So I'm mafrish the ma'aser, and I don't have to give it to the Levi, but I have to take 10% of the ma'aser and give that to the cohen. But ma'aser ani, I don't even have to separate it because maybe uh maybe it's not chayev. Um aval ma'aser ani ein tzarich lehafrish. This really is Rav Eliezer. Rav Eliezer holds that afilu vadai shelo yifrishu min hakri cuz you know what Rav Eliezer holds, even if it definitely wasn't separated, um not separating ma'aser ani does not render the produce tevel. It doesn't make it assur. It's just a financial responsibility. Eino itovel, it doesn't make it tevel. Shehei ochel lemei seudah af al pi she'eino tzarich lehafrish. He goes in and mafrish um mesufek. Therefore, you don't have to be mafrish it. That's the opinion of Rav Eliezer. And then the Gemara says vachachamim omrim korei shem. You have to say its name, you have to proclaim it. Ein tzarich lehafrish. You don't have to separate it. Look in the Rambam, vachachamim omrim korei shem. The invite all your free shy. The men say if you definitely didn't separate it, have a table. It would be table. The men agree with me, sir. Even though I felt peace on the gummy. >> [clears throat] >> Even though it's already Masuka. Even though it's already fixed. Then the second my son, you don't have to fix it. You only have to you only have to separate it. We'll elaborate on this more tomorrow. Therefore, you separate me softly. This fake white table. If that day you weren't my fresh it it would be table and the person who ate will be Mesa. So I have to see what it means Masuka on the gummy. But there seems to be a revelation of the world that I love you're not my fresh my son. Does it render the produce also killer? Therefore, our mission is going like Rabbi Elazar. Who holds in Adam Grayson on my son? We'll have to explain how does that explain why this woman why the mission didn't say she could eat my son. And the men say not like that. We'll elaborate this along this more tomorrow. That is paid out of my mouth. Okay? Okay, sky everyone. Have a wonderful night. >> Sky. >> Are you off? >> Culture. >> Oh.