Daf Hashavua - Nedarim 86b 2026-06-18 08:14

Okay, welcome again. The said that if a woman says I will not be working for you, it doesn't have to be anulled. Rabi says uh you do enol it says you don't enol it. But the bottom line is that if she says I'm not going to be working for you, it seems like the basic nether is not kal. However, the garra had a zero to that. The garra brought the case where somebody who's and the said is so that's that. So we have somewhat of a contradiction. Could you be Could you not be after alli says and said is like that if a man if if she says I'm not going to work for you you should enull it because when you divorce her then the nether will be and you won't be able to take her back. So the question is when you divorce her the nether will be that implies right and said is like and yet also said that the is which implies and the only way we had to reconcile these two teachings is what Yeshua said where she says I'm sanctifying my hands for what they produce because her hands are in the world. So says, "What do you mean her hands are in the world?" But her hands are masha to the bal. So the says, "No, I mish my hands when I'm divorced." But she's not divorced. So that's where we're sort of stuck up the creek without a paddle. So now the gumar wants to say no the reason why she could asser her hands for a later time of shi is different because they are like the sanctity of the entity itself as opposed to something that only has sanctity for its value like something donated. This has actual kaducas and since it has kaducasa like rava said raa said there are three things that its sanctity or its isra is so inherent that it could even be mafia meaning even though technically right now her hands are mash to the bal but if she's mish them then it will be kal when she's divorced why like ra that this in all these three cases we're talking about something which is some called an apo is where you say you borrow money and you weren't able to pay back but you you say that the lender could collect from a specific item the he has a lean on a specific item so let's say you made food the apoiki what the lender is going to collect from. So if you were mockish that or if it became or if the item which is going to be used that has a lean on it for collection of a debt was an eani and you freed it. All these three processes and remove the somebody has on it and therefore so too in this case when you say when the when the woman says that heish is and even though it's to the it's to the it's the which is a major problem because what does it have to do with her being divorced later. Right now it should be. So we have to see the run. Okay. says is different because it's like it's like something sanctified to the for the misb can't be redeemed. Let's say somebody says about an animal. Yeah, there's no there is no redeeming it. Can't redeem it. It's a carbon. There's no redemption when you say this item is that it should be to who it became since it it takes out of that she's to the husband and that the bal has on her. That's why even though that you could be mish her hands cuz the hands of the woman are in the world and she's able to sanctify them because It's okay later is going to ask him my area then why does it only because maybe he'll divorce her is now I have to say that when we finish this I'm going to miss the run when we say my is going to be also Not just the tan and but also rais the explanation of the ran of the shakar of the garra is um nifla every ran is do nifla how he explains the question and the answer rashi explains biker what the words of the garra mean toisus has questions and answer but to have a rishan that explains the back and forth of the garra what did the machinian hold what did the question hold? What did the answer hold that therm is uh yeah amazing the rava hectish ra said let's say you made your axi a means basically a lean where you tell your uh the creditor that you he should be able to collect from this particular item. And then yourish uproots the and you collect your from somewhere else and now the animal is carbon even though a minute ago it was to the now it's carbon it's not considered stealing have because the creditor never acquired the ax. He just has a lean on the ax. He doesn't have ownership. He just has the rights to collect the debt from it. It's only for collection. So, and it's not gazel. If you're not gel, soish. You ready for this? Let's say like this is that made for let's say like this. Let's say um you owe someone a h 100 bucks. You say okay I'm going to give you a pie of pizza as an ai that if I don't pay back you collect from the pa pizza. Fine. Especially in the five towns a pie of pizza is about is basically it's like a $100 something like that. And the all of a sudden the guy, you know, you're not paying back. So he says, "Ah, take I'm taking your pizza." He takes the pizza. And then guess what? The the kicks in. So the is the creditor on the pizza. Now it's only when you give the as a to a gentile. So it's mafia the gentile had and this is and the issu too. Why does it have to be a uh It's it's if you just gave it to him as a a security then it's bahana. If you gave it to him as a security then it's mutah. But if it's not then it will become see if I give it to you as a security you own it. So there's no because it's like this. The point is that if you give it to a Jew, of course it's going to be because whoever owns it, it's either whether the creditor or the debtor the even though I gave it to the guy. So I gave it to the guy. How is how is it becoming? It's in his the answer is it's not in his he just has a lean on it but it's in the Jews. If you made your and then freed him then the the slave is free the the mala has to collect his debt from elsewhere. If aum is like like said it's then why does the Mishna say that you have to be made for it because it will be when you divorce her it's right now right now when she says my hands are hectish it should be says right it's now says there are two reasons why you need to enol Reason number one is it's now because and reason number two is because if he divorces her then it will be really the husband is if she's your hands ly It's holy now. It's now it's now says in really now it's sanctified. And if you're going to say that, okay, it's a strong hectish, but maybe the Raban made the sheba very strong when he's married to her. Maybe he made the husband, maybe Kazal made the husband like a buyer, not like a borrower, not like, excuse me, a lender. Even if you're going to say the sheba of the husband is strong, he should still anull it. By the way, so argadim is saying again the question is why do you need to say he might divorce her? He has you should enol the nether because it's kal now. So what argar is saying is yes you enull it because it's kal now. And even if you would argue that it's not now, you should enull it because it will be later. However, I'm sure you remember that this very suga appeared in I'm sure you remember. Yeah, that was the last maka. So it was just you know about two and a half years ago we learned that this very suga appeared but not identical because that gamarra concluded that the raanon were did make the sheba of the husband strong and made it that the hectish is not mafia of the she. So where the answer the concludes that did make the shea strong here it was only mentioned there. Okay, there the garra said the rabbon made his she and here all it says is maybe he'll divorce her. But what that means maybe he'll divorce her. It means that you could argue that they made the sheba strong. So the the R says if they made the husband strong that it's not the question reverts back if now it's not then how could it be later because later it's not divorcing her now. So the answer to that is I mean what the is bothered by is that if you're going to say the Raban made the shebud strong and taka the husband and the nether is not now and he can't be maf then why would you have tool it because of later why would the nether be later that's back to the issue we're saying really we hold so then according to the that the Raan made her uh his she then you shouldn't have to be made for it because of later and to that the Ran says since it is now it's just made the strong when they made it strong they only made it strong regarding that he can't benefited from it now. It's only so long as they're married that there's not but they never made it strong that if he divorces her it won't be if he divorces her then it's like from the beginning since it really should be listen carefully to what the is saying what the is bothered by is what Ara seems to say is there are two reasons why you have to be made for it reason number one is because it's Um because the it's it has kadusha and it's mafia the of the husband. Even though her handiwork is is masha to the husband the husband has a lean on her handiwork the when she says it's so powerful it removes the lean. And even if you're gonna say that his lean his she is so strong and the ra made it very strong and therefore the kum is not it will be later. So Ran says what do you mean if the Raana made the she so strong and he owns her handiwork now why would it be later that's so the says since fundamentally really it should be now when the rabbis say that she is so strong now they only said his she is strong now regarding her handiwork going to him now but regarding later Since really her hectish should be it's regarding that it could it's now regarding that it could be later. We only were made his shea strong now for now but not for it taking effect later. the let's say like this your wife made you thought it was your daughter so you enulled your daughter's nether your daughter made a you thought it was your wife so you anold your wife's you thought your wife said I'm going to become a I'm sorry your wife made a nether. She's going to become a ner but you thought she was a carbon or she was manad a carbon. You thought she was manad to to be a ner you she made a nether. She's not going to eat figs. And you thought she made a nether. She's not going to eat grapes. And you were made for the nether on grapes. She made a nether on grapes. You thought it was figs. So either way, when you enol it, you enulled it with a false uh um you anold with false information. You weren't enoling the right thing. You're an annoling a wrong nether. So, so then he has to anull the nether again says the because of that he enulled it or he upheld it. Now it's interesting the says somebody told him he didn't have to he didn't hear it. That's good enough that somebody told him. Okay. She was you thought she was they said to him they said that she asserted something and you were told that she said she also like a carbon. So in all these cases The Mishna >> what >> not from the worship of the Mishna >> what's that mashna >> what the says he's saying >> the naj of the saying the guy thought not that he was told >> you're right but why did he think that the round's explaining the reason he thought that is because somebody told him that I mean why why would he think if he was there and the wife said Um I I'm answering I'm answering to enim Why would he think it's an easy to misar one's life? >> No, they make sure you understand what exactly what they want. I don't know. I hear that's how the round interprets. You're right. That the R is saying that the reason because you were told that all you know is she asert something and you didn't quite get what right? The ram doesn't learn the Mishna that he misheard. The ram learns the Mishna that he only heard um orl in the first case you didn't hear anything. You didn't know anything. Someone told you false information. Um in the second case, they told you she asked her something and um they said it was the original affirmation or analment. It was it was mistaken. It's ineffective. It doesn't do anything. After if you upheld erroneously you could know if your wife made and you upheld it. How do you read this? What is this going on? What is this? Hey, not sure. Oh, in other words, so you were mim the wrong person. So the Gamar asks no. This Mishna presupposes that when the P says that that he anols it for her that the word means it has to be to the right woman. Look in the Since it says the word we presumably the source of this d then is you have to know exactly who you're enoling the nether for. If you thought it was your daughter and you enulled for the daughter and turned out to be your wife it's not an effective anulment. So does that mean ya is dafka? Does that mean yo is dka? And next week we'll see d pay z now. What's tonight? Tuesday. I may have some conflicts coming up soon. So assume that we're going to do another this week. Okay. Probably Thursday night. Okay, everyone have a great night. Col >> good night. Thanks for coming. Call >> the first case is the easiest one to mix up. The guy could have been sovereign because he could have visited another room and thought he hurt his wife or vice versa, >> right? >> That was the least least probable that somebody told him it was your wife or your daughter. >> But and even that case, Dan uh Dan does say that that's that somebody told him. But yeah, >> recording stopped.