Daf Hashavua - Nedarim 89b

Okay, welcome everyone. We're continuing in Shàu we're closing in on the end of the plus what is a better week to learn than paras. This M is going to give nine cases where a woman can make an woman who makes another cannot be anulled. We're going to see that theim actually narrowed it down to three. However, Rabbi Hud expanded it to nine. Not that the cases are that much different from each other. It's just he did it. The three basic cases are a woman who has the status of a but is not actually a then um someone who's actually because the father died and these are the three basic cases that we're going to deal both. So means the father's alive but she left his domain. And then the Tana the Mishna breaks these three categories down into an additional three categories each. So here we go. Let's see just the opening run. They're really all included in three. We read this last night. In all these three cases, she leaves the father's domain. The rabbis only counted three of the cases. divided he subdivided each of these three into another three only said it to sharpen the fine case number one but it means look in the She made another one. She's a she's in the life of the father. For example, she had ven and she became an almana. She's a bare and the thing is she had previously done and she uh it was terminated. So she is because she left the father's domain Though it's not only the fact that she didn't that takes her out of the father's even the fact that she's a takes her out of the father's but we're focused more on the fact that she is because she did nuin next case is she's a n she became a bare and she's aim what does this mean the ran says she made another one she's a narrow bra Then she became a in the life of the of the father. I guess the fact that she became a when we say I think it means it was. So in other words, she became an Ara and she made a nether. She became a bare afterwards. She then did and then uh and she became an am and now she's considered a it's really for two factors. A because she didn't suin and B because she's a bare. Third case is nalyra a nara who didn't become a bare meaning why because she did and then she was look in the nash these three cases are all encompassed by now we now the next group of three cases which is you say she made a nether when she was and the father died she's a n when she made the nether she became a baras which that alone should take her out of the father's and then the father died or a nar that did not become look in the on the second These three also are all included in me. Now the final group anara she made she made another her father died then she became a bagar or she became a but the father's alive or nar she made the nether as a naras she became a via the father's alive in these three cases whether or not the father is alive she became a baras that alone takes her out of says fine. So either she did and she became an she's a or her father really died or she became a beras and each of these circumstances has three different uh discrepancies. Huda Rabie Huda says a hami hakana says also one who married off his daughter who's a kana benis amina and she became an amois Gara and she returned to him when she's a n so he can't you cannot uh be made for her. So in this case she's not a bare she made she was married as a katana and now she's a n says the kana it's telling me even is she still even if she was a katana when she got married she leaves the father's domain Why does the mission have to say she's still a nar? Why don't Why doesn't it say even if she's still a katana? The same thing would apply even if she's still. The reason why I picked the n is because she had to have made the nether as a n. Because if she made the nether as a kana, it's a worthless nether. has no meaning. Okay. The Gmorrah says like this these nine cases of there only three that the can't be they don't break it down into all these different cases. Uh they narrow it down to three says the These three general categories encompass all nine other only said it to sharpen the Okay. Now next next Mishna may Hashem give us If a lady said I make an is then I'm not going. We'll see in the run. Literally the words seem to say I'm not going to get h from your father or from my father or your father. I'm sorry. Literally the words say I'm not going to get h to them. I'm not going to give them. We'll see. The round learns that I'm not going to get from them. I'm not going to get Han from them. If I do for your mouth, if I do anything for you, I'm not going to get Han from them if I do anything from you. So thei the is or is getting h and the condition is if I do anything for you that's case one case two I'm not going to get h from you if I do anything for your father for my father your father in all these cases the husband husband anols it even though by the way the nether wasn't kal she said I asked her giving hana to to um my father your father I'm sorry I asked her getting hana I asked her getting hana from my father your father if I do anything for you so in either of these cases he could anull the nether were I'm not going to get h from you if I do anything for your father or my father in in both of these cases even though the nether wasn't the husband couldn't know that let's see the holy run says around in my opinion it's saying not only case A but even case B you know why he couldn't what she's saying I asked her getting from my father your father if I do anything for you I would say cuz she's right now she'sing getting from her father and she can't do anything for you because of the Since there isn't in any of these situations something that's worse than interpersonal things. Meaning in this case she cannot do anything for the husband right that's for sure. So let's say she does things for the husband. She's not going to be able to get h from the fathers. Either way, that's called. Now, why is it called if she can't get anything from her father or your father? The truth is we said earlier, if she can't get anything from any person, that's considered personal or at least it's considered here. So, therefore, It's considered like why? Because she's going to have to fulfill the Tai. No question. She's going to fulfill the that what she's going to have to do something for the husband. If that's the case, she's automatically going to become assur in from the father or her father or uh his father. So the nether is right away even though right now it's not but since it's inevitable that something bad is going to happen over here. either she won't be able to do something for the husband or she won't be able to get benefit from the fathers. So even though neither it wasn't yet it's considered like it was so why is the second case a bigger kadesh what did she say that if I do something for your father my father then She said, "I'm not going to get enough from you if I do something for your father or my father." So in this case, in this tonight you see in the first case what's the in the first case if I do something for you that is both and so it's impossible so it's inevitable that the nether will be. So it's considered like it's already but in this case the is not the end of the world. So don't do anything for the father or your father or his father. I would have thought that he he can't be made for since she's hinging the on something that she likely is going to violate. what she's saying, I'm not going to get hah from you if I do anything for your father and my father, but eventually she's going to do something for one of the fathers. It's going to happen. So since she's making it dependent on something that eventually is going to happen, she can't control herself. She's going to have to do something for her father or your father. You know it right away. The govern even though the nether is not yet but it's going to be. You see in the first case, what's the tonight? The tonight is if I'm going to do anything for you, I'm going to be user and your uh to get h from my father, your father. Is that how the ra is reading it? Oh, in case one, case one is she's saying I ask her getting from my father, your father, if I do anything for you. Case two is if I do anything for my father, your father, so then I'm not going to get ho from you. So in that case, the is not the end of the world. It's just inevitable that she's going to violate that tonight and put her in a situation where she's going to be in because she's saying I'm not going to get any Hana from you if I give something to my father your father. She won't be able to control herself. She can't contain herself. she's going to benefit um the fathers and therefore right now even though the nether is not yet since it will be the husband could be made for the nether. I'm sorry. What What does it mean the letter is not? Isn't the call right away as soon as she says? >> No, no, no. She says, let's say, let's say in case two, she says in case two, she says, um, I'm not going to get Han from you. So, she's askering getting Han from the father, from the husband. She said, she says to her husband, I'm not going to get enough from you if I help out your father and my father. So, she didn't yet help out the father. She never triggered the >> prevented from now. >> She's saying I will be user to get anything from you if I benefit my father, your father. Now, right now, she didn't benefit her father or uh his father. So, the nether's the nether is dependent on her benefiting his father or her father. So she didn't yet do that. So usually we say you can't be made for another that's not yet. How could the husband come along and say oh you're going to be get benefit from me? I'm I'm no she's not user get benefit from him. She's only user if she helps out his father or her father. But since it's inevitable it's like it's like it's inevitable that it will be. So it's considered like it's now and he could be made for it. Even though normally you can't be made for another that isn't yet. The reason why it's not and I mean is she hinged it on on she's saying I'm not going to get benefit from you if I benefit my father or your father. So she didn't yet fulfill that tonight. So then there's Tanya We learned in aa said like this I'm not going to get hana from my father your father if I do anything for Yeah. Which case is this? Listen to what she says. He says, "I'm not going to get Hana from my father or your father if I do anything for you." So this is uh This is basically case one of the Mishna the first case. >> So says you can't you can't anal it say you could enol it. Now case one we said right away the reason why everybody agrees you can enul it in the Mishna is we said I'm not going to give to your I'm not going to take h if I do anything for you because there the is is for sure but says you can't enol it because it's it's not yet you can't know something that's and the say you could so the T of Mishna is going like the fine now we have another case where we discussed this earlier I am removed from all if I have relations with you so if I live with you I'm going to be to everyone including younass says you can't it say you couldn't it okay now until now we're talking about that there's a that you can't anull a husband can another before it's could another before it's you can't do but how about a There's a guy who answered all the of the world on him. He's going to get married without learning meaning. The guy wanted to make sure that before he gets married, he's should become a so he said I asked her from the whole world if I get married before becoming. So what did he do? He tried very hard. He ran with his uh walking stick and with his wallet, but he couldn't learn. He couldn't learn. The guy couldn't cack it. So what did he do? He didn't get married because he said he can't get married. He's not getting married before he learns came and he pulled the wall out in front of him. He tricked him. What did he do? How what does it mean he tricked him? Um he said you could get married. Look in the he wanted to learn because he figured there's once you get married there's no time to learn. You think you could have the mill around your neck and be once you get married it's there's no time to learn. You got to pay the bills. He's walking sick in his wallet. He couldn't do it. So what did he tricked him? Oh, he tricked him. He tricked him to say that you won't be if you get married. Um, you won't be also in Hana and he got married. So the nether is kal. So what happened? The shark gotina. Now Ra smeared him with schmutz the and he took him to um look in the show. He's going to need to come on to people immediately. What does this mean? Who is so smart to do something like this? if not for a great person. He holds the just like the and argue about that you can only that holds you can only be made for another when it's they argue about meaning that would also hold that in order for to be it has to be meaning why did why did have to get him married first and then get him dirty. Just be m the nether before. No, it's the same way you can't be a before held. You can't be m a nether before it's so he tricked him to have the netheral and then got him dirty so that he could quickly be m it but not the other way around because he held that even the of it has to first be that is that pay test and what do we have left? We have sadi next week and m is uh the week of tishab you only have one om it's like because you can't learn you know the whole week you don't have the whole week to learn it's unbelievable >> what about the mitzvah of puru >> what about >> how is he able to make a nether if he's doing the vat of the mitzvah How is he able to make another that he's not going to get enough from the whole world? >> Although he's not going to get married. >> He's saying he's not going to get married until he learns the So he's not answering it indefinitely. Could you do that? You could do that. >> And we we pass. We don't pass. Why are we >> Why are we forn Why um We'll have to see because Maybe when it comes to everybody agrees that you can't do it until it's we'll see. We'll see uh next week. I might give a sh about nadaram in the Wednesday night share since it's on uh the para. I might do something nifty on nadaram. Okay, have a good night everyone. Recording stopped.