Daf Hashavua - Nedarim 90a

Okay friends, the final stretch daddy the gar on the was speaking about the the of about a husband the nulling the nadharma of his wife and it brought him whether you could enol nadim before their and the garra spoke about a situation where a guy assured the hana of the whole world on him if he marries a woman without learning halaka. So he tried to learn he tried to learn it wasn't going and he had no choice. um he was not able to fulfill the neuruna uh tricked him and he told him to marry a woman and then he got his clothing dirty showing him that he would have to and he brought him in front of so who's so smart to do something like this is a great person because he holds the plea and just like and argue whether you can be made for a nether in advance. They also argue if they could be made for if a could be m in advance. So therefore in order not to be made for the ne m the nether in advance had the netheral already. Why? Because figured just like is you can't be made for in advance. You can't be m in advance. So the question is, wait a second, maybe the reason he did this is because the is like um let's see the run because the opinion that you have to do it in advance is the opinion of Ramnasan. What did Ravnan say? said and the said. So why did he have to do this? Maybe the is like and is like so apparently he was in deference to the ofan he was ma he was uh he had to allow the to be in order to be mate when it's and not be m in advance because technically speaking he could have said look So like you're allowed to be made for another in advance. So you would be allowed to be mad in advance. But in deference to this is how he did it. However, there is another opinion. Uh let's see the run here. Even though it's an unleated run, but it's already the nine days and you know we have to be massing with extra limma. We're going to learn extra run because second line even though regarding what they argue we hold like we're going to say later. Nevertheless, He did this in order to extricate himself from any like now why didn't the garra say that really you know why did this did this because even though they argue by ha maybe everybody agrees by hat you can't do in advance why did the garra say it's because he held just like they argue by hafara they argue by hat Maybe it's because he held they only argue by but everybody agrees you you cannot do in advance they're like puppies about to say no you can't infer that the fact he didn't say this. He doesn't hold a puppy. You can't infer from here that he didn't hold this way. Because why not? It could be. Look what the says. It could be rubber really held this way. The reason ra didn't didn't say this ra just held you can't say definitively that that's why did it not you can't say definitively it's because he holds up by you can't do it in advance one thing you could say for sure that he obviously did not hold that everyone holds you could m in advance because otherwise why would he have to trick him but you can't be that everybody holds that can't unless because it could be the reason he did this is in deference to so in other words didn't want to say definitively it's because everybody holds s that you can't be m in advance because you could technically push that off and say it's maybe they argue and we're doing it in deference to what does say that's the next step is by anulling holds cannot unless the nether is the says in Yesh thera halavana thera she will be ashamed the moon but the could be interchanged with a heyana you can only do hur if it was built. What does it mean if it was built? If the nether was made why is making a nether called being built? Because said earlier that making a nether is like building a bummer himself said so that is you'll know it when it's built. So you can only that's by know it has to be hold that the husband is even though the nether is not he ans thoughts of the sly. So when it comes to there's an opinion that even if it's just a you could know it everyone agrees cannot be at all unless the nether do not profane his word. Everyone holds the cannot be matter unless the nether is devar. Now how does this show anything? How does this show everybody is not unless there is let's see the pupp do not uproot the effectuation of his word from this were others are alma From here we see matter. We see from here the is not matter unless the nether is from here we see the is not is not matter unless the nether is. So now wants to bring a riot to a puppy that when it comes to the nether has to be to be mate I ask her I'm not getting any from and anyone I go to to be on the nether to the nether I'm to them also. I'm he makes he's not going to get from and any who's he'sing himself from to that person. So, so the the first step is I am not getting han from from Yank Facord, right? Who's a well-known person not getting any from Yank Facord and any rabbi who wants Matther, I'm not getting H from that rabbi. Now, right now, is he allowed to get Han from that rabbi? from Rabbi um Wuli he could because that rabbi was not mater but what do you mean could I do it in advance well let's see says first he matters the first nether and then he's matters the second nether there meaning he goes to be mad. Oh, but now that becomes closer to him. So then he's m the second fact of another m even before it's why can't you be m the second nether first true the second wasn't but if you hold your be before it's why do you have to do it in that order if you hold your m nether even though it's not if you want you can m nether one first or if you want you should be able to out there too. First let's see thean on the one who he made himself and accordingly he becomes to him. Therefore, he then has to m that nether. Now, he should be able to m either one. Go to a a sage. I made a nether. I made a nether can't get enough. I also asked her a certain if I were to go to him. I want to go to that rabbi and I regret as the fact that you can't m before nether one we see cannot be m unless the nether is so the responds to this this is not do you know whether this one is first or whether this one is last. How do you know which Nether is called first and which is called last? Is Nether one referring to the first Nether he made and Nether two referring to the second Nether he made? Or maybe it just means you do one at a time. says Gomorrah. Do you know which one is first and which one is last? Look at the is pushing this off. the one who's bringing this support. Do you know which one the Tana calls first or last? Maybe when it says first and second, it's referring to Shayla. He's asking on whichever one he wants to do first. The one he wants to do first is called first and the other one says Gumara that we're going to bring another Raya. >> Can you explain that >> the the way he's explaining >> that because they're coming to a stop here. So and that's basically the lion of the is which presumably meant first you matter the he said I py bahana that means I'm not going to get hana from ply and then he asserted Whichever rabbi mser to that rabbi now that second nether is not until the first nether isal because until he only becomes also to the rabbi who ms the nether. So that rabbi obviously is waiting is uh that rabbi cannot be m his nether unless that first nether was fine. So it says first you anol the first nether and then you enol the second one. Why do you have to do it in that order? Why can't you go to a rabbi and say look you know I'm potentially going to become to a rabbi whose mater I don't want to be. So I need you to be m that second. The fact that you can't do that means you can't be mad that hasn't been kal yet. To which the gumar answers, whoever said reish means the first nether you made and sheni means the second nether you made. Maybe reish means first your m one and the one that your m first is called the first because it's the first nether you're being m not necessarily the first nether you made and then your m the second. Now what? It's a little bit strange. Why would the >> says it? >> What? >> He says the sh says this. >> What does the round mean by the shas? >> Yeah. Like somebody stepped in and said like this is hey like I mean yeah who says this is first but the second like has like the ar. >> No no no. What the ram means is you read the garra. The garra says lay me right. The gar is trying to bring lay messia and now and the gar the the the the shas is responding back is retorting this is not conclusive because who says which one is first and which one is last means the shas is is refuting the proof. So the Gar continues let's bring a different says I make a I'm not going to get enough from and if I ever m my nether to get from I'll become a when I m that nether so this is good for my you know what's the juxiposition of no so we're already bringing zeros here at the end of the Okay. Um yeah. So if you want to be m these commitments first you're m the first nether and once you're m the first nether the nazerus kicks in and then you're mazer and if you could be m even though the nether is why can't you be mazer first if you want you could be m your first and if you want you should be able to be matera say that you have to be mater first and then the nazeros. So this is a ria that what everybody holds that when it comes to you cannot be m that's not to which says this doesn't prove anything maybe r is right and they they argue by also and this is going according to who holds that you can't be mad that hasn't been says no maybe it's so it's Conclusive again the R says pushes us off the certainly by it has to be. Why certainly um I'm not sure what the kosha gain is. I'm not sure why the ran says maybe really they argue by hat also and this is going like that has to be in order to do saidar told me papa told Rava, "This is what your father said in the name of a puppy." Everybody agrees. Everyone agrees. You could enull it even though the nether isn't it says don't make your words meaning even if it's just a words and it was never you can't it everybody agrees the is only the say you could do it even though it's not. But by everyone agrees you could enull it even though it wasn't. You're allowed to enol it even though it wasn't. How does that show anything? Even if it's just a word, you have to abide by it. But other people could anal it. Okay. What um turn to do? That shows us even if the nether isn't la and isn't you could be made for it. Let's see. The ran. No runan. Okay, that concludes sadi. But don't go anywhere. Heaven forbid. >> Recording stop. So, how do we come out right