Daf Hashavua - Nedarim 90b

Okay, here we go. We're continuing in. So, we brought three opinions. We brought the opinion of Rafa that the supplies to we brought the first edition of Raapa that the if you do have far in advance it doesn't work. The second edition of Ra Papa holds that even if it wasn't uh you could be May for says we're gonna ask on the second edition of puppy I make I'm not going to get enough from and then I'm not going to get enough from the one who matters my first he matters the first and then he matters the second according to the second version. You're allowed to be made for a nether before it's you should be able to be m any nether you want says who knows which one is called first and which one is called second like the said in the earlier version I'll ask you a question I ask I'm not going to get from I'll be when I'm matter that nether I'm going to be a nozzer. When I matter the nether of when I m the nether. So what do you do? First you're m the nether and then you're m the a puppy second version could be made for you before. So we've successfully refuted the second version of a puppy because we have a bry that says explicitly you have to first be m a and then b and according to a puppy that goes like nobody. Okay. We now come to is it the last Mishna of Nadarim? It's the last Mishna of Nadarim. Here we go. In the good old days, three ladies, you send them packing, but they collect their If somebody says I am to you, what is this talking about? Well, see, it's talking about not a woman who says I was and therefore I'm to you cuz such a woman loses her. We're talking about an who was violated. We know that a the wife of a ken who was nas becomes to her husband. There were am who are khanim who separated from their wives out ofash maybe somebody violated their wife there's a very great ain and now is not the time to discuss that story but as ken who says to an she goes out but she gets the kuba why does she collect the kuba why does she collect the tuba the fact that she collects the kuba implies that it's his fault. Why is it his fault? Um, but that's that's the is she goes out and she collects her. Originally, we say she goes out, but she gets her. Now, why does she go out? Why is why why does he have to divorce her? Why is she believed? Now, here's the thing. If a woman says, "I was violated," should the husband have to divorce her? No. Should she be allowed to live with him? No. What do you call that? Let's say a woman, you know, she's serving uh let's say like this, somebody goes to a wedding, the food is under the VA. The mash says, "Oh, you're enjoying your steak?" "Yeah, you're enjoying your steak." There's a lady saying there steak. It's pig. No, it's not pig. It's not pig. It's a piece of steak. She says it's pig. So she's not allowed to eat it. She says it's pig. She says it's pig. Could everyone else eat it? Yeah. So everyone else is eating it. She's not If she then eats it, she's eating tra cuz she says it's piger. But lady, I don't believe you. So I'm allowed to eat it. So if the woman says she's user to her husband, she can't live with him, but he could live with her. So it can't be that the reason why she would have to um she it can't be the reason why she would go out is because of because then why in the world would he have to pay her? He could say, "What do you mean? I'm gonna live with you. So you're not to me." In other words, I'm usher to you, but you're not user to me. So, you can't be with me because the shask is fine, but I'm not giving you. So, it has to be that the woman has some degree of believability when she says she was violated. What's the believability? Well, what woman would want to be marsha? What woman would want to speak about her her shortcoming or something bad happened to her? So originally was she goes out and she gets or let's say the woman says heaven is between me and you. What does it mean heaven is between me and you? Heaven knows that you pal are um >> impotent. >> Impotent but that wasn't the word I was looking for. Heaven knows that. By the way, I'll tell you a good joke now that we're on the top. When I was in high school, I used to mark the tests in yeshiva. And look at there were questions on rashis and there were also taich words and one of the t words was and a guy translated it as an an important person. Yeah. An important person. I remember another good t was para somebody translate as a cowas a cowas para a cowas okay anyway um so she says pal you're not functional I'm not getting the right word you're impotent basically you can't ejaculate yeah now nobody else knows your mother doesn't know your brother doesn't know even the mother-in-law nobody knows only heaven knows what your problem is. Your problem is you can't do the job. Okay. There's a good word for this, a good discrete word, but I'm not it's not it's not on my uh it's not on the tip of my tongue right now. Um let's see the run. So that's also a case of originally she would go out but she would get theuba because it's you know it's it's it's his fault it's his fault. And then the third case is I am to get benefit from all Jews. So I you'll ask should you know it's so you should be able to be mafur. Um also why does he have to give heruba? So the question is why did why would she have made such a nether? It must be because it hurts her and therefore it's not her fault and therefore she gets. However, here's the problem. They changed their mind and they said a woman might have her eyes on another man and corrupt the situation of her husband cuz you know every woman will have a very easy way to terminate her marriage. She'll say, "Oh, sorry. I was violated." Or she'll say, "Hey, pal, you can't do the job." You know, now now what's the guy supposed to do? You know how he's going to prove himself? What's he going to do? Yeah. And what about the third um the third case? She'll just say, "I'm to all people. I can't I can't do it. It hurts." So, she has an easy way out. So therefore they decreed from now on if a woman says I'm we don't believe her we don't believe you're violated you have to prove it in the meantime the husband could stay with her now the big question what does it mean either they they ask her lady stop it stop it Stop talking that way. Don't say that. Or that's one shot. Or it could mean they ask him, "Listen, you don't have to divorce her, but it's a good idea." And what do we say? We say lady that's um no no um what's the they say um they say to her we don't believe you that it hurts the husband will be made for that she's to him and she could live with him and she'll remain user to all the other Jews says says the talking about she doesn't get it. So why does he have to divorce her? If a woman, a regular woman is violated, you don't have to divorce her. She's not to the husband. even though she's to him um she has now why does she geta why if the woman who's an asshious kindness is violated does she geta she could say what what what's wrong with me why what's wrong with me I'm a good wife I know how to make chant I know how to make a filter fish I can make simus I can make chopped liver I'm a good yiddish Shama, she said, "But I'm a cayenne." Oh, you're a cayenne. I could I'm a good wife. I could live with anybody. I could go out into I could, you know, go to and they could find someone for me. I could go to event and they could find someone for me. The problem pal is with you, not with me. You're the You're the um I'm here. Your field got flooded. The sanctity of his caused him that she should be to him to a woman who was violated is permitted to Israel. It's your bad that I was violated. This is what she said to him. The seaman does not shoot like an arrow during relations. If he can ejaculate then he is not fertile. Now this is only if she says what we say lady what's the problem he can't ejaculate. What? How? What does that do for you? What does that do for you? She said, "I want to do the mitzvah, lady. What are you a What mitzvah lady? You a woman doesn't have a mitzvah to have children." You know that a woman has no mitzvah to have children. There's no woman does not have a mitzvah puru. The mitzvah puru is on the man, not on the woman. The mesh says because God would God doesn't ask people to do things that hurt. It's too painful for a woman to give her a mitzvah. The woman, the mitzvah's on the man. It's his problem, not her problem. Now, he's got to figure out a way to get her on board because if she's not on board, it's going to be very hard for him to produce a child. Only like a horse fish could do something like that. But in normal um species of plant animal, you need male and female. So, there's no mitzvah on the female. The mitzvah is on the male. Yeah. You want to say something? So what's what's the tino? Why does she get divorced? It's talking about where she says, "I don't want to have the kid to do the mitzvah. I need someone to bury me. I need someone to take care of me when I'm old." Says we're talking about where she comes with a need to walk with. Meaning I need a kid to take care of me in my old age. I need someone to bury me. We say get lost. You're not commanded. I the unlegisated part of the round asks said to what do you think Sorah meant? He told Abraham, "You can't perform." That's the word. You can't do the job. Sora came to say, and Sor wasn't asking she needed someone to bury her. No. Sor's ta was that Aram wasn't even having relations with her. The ta wasn't a couldn't perform. The tit was he wasn't even with her. Next. She asks what she's demonstrating is painful. She says not my fault it hurts. It's your fault. Huh? Meaning what the is bothered by is if in the case of where what what are we worried about? She made this up because she doesn't she wants to live with someone else. How is she going to live with someone else if she's asser to all Jews and she made another she's asser to all Jews? The answer is she'll go to a different city where they don't know about that supposed nether. So from now on if she says to we say bring a prove that you are violated. What does it mean? It means make her a birthday party. If she says that the guy can't perform, he should buy her jewelry and she'll forget about it. Okay. The psychology of this is beyond the scope of this particular sh. But the seem to say if she makes this m makes this claim then make a party for her. She'll get over it. Moving right along. Alaska Shila. She says to her husband, "Is she allowed to eat?" So what does this mean? The is that originally he would have to divorce her and give her exuba and now the is no we don't believe her and we don't believe her and they stay married. So what? Now what? So they stay married. But does that mean that she could eat shrooma if she's an asious cen? But wait a second. If she's violated, meaning is it only a takana so that she doesn't ruin her husband, but really we're that she was violated, she can't eat chuma, or do we say she could eat schuma? Does it disqualify her from eating schuma or not? Because wait a second. What? What does this mean? We're going to say she can't eat chuma. If we're going to say she can't eat Truma, that means you suspect that she was violated. If you suspect that she was violated, then any children that she produces with this cen will be suspectal. It's in order to protect the lineage of her children. We say she could eat chuma. Ra says she can't eat chuma because she could just eat koolin. What does that mean? She could just eat kulen. She'll eat koolin and nobody's going to have any suspicion that she's not eating chuma because she was really violated. She'll she'll just say they'll say she's eating cuz that's what's available. Says around maybe we don't believe her regarding her husband. Regarding her husband, we we're we're suspicious that she wants to terminate the marriage. But maybe regarding Truma, she shouldn't be able to eat it because sha I mean I would think maybe regarding the chuma we should be able to she shouldn't be able to eat it. Or do we say if we see people are going to think people are going to say if she said she was telling the truth it's going to cast dispersions on her children said is who says she could eat that if If after she says she was violated, she became a widow, she can't eat. What are we worried about? Why is she allowed to eat chuma? It's only because we don't want people questioning the lineage of her children. But if she became an ama meaning if the guy died or the guy divorced her am people are going to say you know why she's not eating chuma hashta maybe she was she became she was violated now people are not going to say she's not eat um she's not eating chuma because she was violated before and there's a problem with her kids if she was lit or divorced people would just say she is violated. Now here the round before she'll say people will say she didn't have after she became an she became she was violated she was lived with someone who is possible to herbs or Okay. Raapa said Rava gave us a test. Rava gave tests. Isn't that interesting? Rava gave tests. I don't know if it was a It was an oral test. Rava gave oral tests. I don't think I mean maybe it was a written test. It was a test though. If the wife of a coin was violated, do we say since she was violated violating is like and therefore maybe she doesn't get so maybe she could say one second I got to get even though I'm to you know I'm fit as a wife it's your your it's your field that overflowed. So that was the test Rava gave. What would you have answered if you were in attendance in Rava's share? The answer would have been simple. The Mishna says clearly that you get the kuba because the case of the Mishna of the woman who says and originally we say um she would get her kuba. It just that's a case where we can't prove it but if we knew it to be so she would get her we said to him um we said to him it's our does she get and if it's It's not worse. Is it is it less meaning does she have less which is basically um our Mishna? Very simple. One more run. It's a it's his caused him. Okay. So that is we were able to do it. Let's try to do that sadi alf on Thursday night and then we could do alf maybe Sunday morning when everyone's available. Okay. Sky recording stopped.