EXECUTIVE SUMMARY - Do You Need To Make Sure The Netilas Yadayim Cup Is Dry?

Okay, good morning everyone and we're continuing today will be special shar special presentation review of the second part of Dalid Muro. I do want to uh speak out. Yesterday I had the opportunity to speak to with Harav Schmo first numerous times um about many many different Shilas. One of them I uh took the opportunity to ask him about I said do we do hagba? No. Do we do shuff? No. Do you need to dry the cup before you do? No. Which is sort of how he came out. But he said, "No, we don't do it. We use Ras." He said, "No, we don't do it. We use Rivas." Despite reports of certain places where people are being mash, he said, "No, we don't do it. I'm not saying I'm not going to do it. No, not reality. I'm not saying what the reality. I'm saying whether you should whether that should be the practice. Um and I'm not saying I'm not going to do it. I'll pee. There's an to do it. I'll not um in terms of drying the cup, he said no. according to mu and the no but it's a h which means that if you're in the you know you're in your own house and no one's behind you if you want to do it you're allowed you're allowed to do it if someone's behind you you're not allowed to do it but that that's what it means if it's a h but let's see if we could how how to see that from the mish in other words we're here to learn the misha um you know there could be other opinions And I'm just telling you what Rabbi Schmo first said. Okay, let's see the end of Daled. Okay, we're basically what we're focusing on today is reviewing the potential problems of hands becoming recontaminated through tummy water. Okay, I'm on the top of page 116. This is not >> Yeah, somebody want to say it. This is on the P top of page 116. Um, from where the says in Okay. If another person touched your hands who this person has not yet washed his hands while your hands are still wet. So your hands are still wet and another guy touched them. You need to dry your hands and you need to wash again. Why? Because this other guy contaminated your hands through the water that's on your hands. Okay, let's see the on that. This is even if you already wash your hands with the second water. So your hands is completely pure since someone else who didn't wash his hands touch your hands you must dry your hands and you have to wash again. So the way the mishab is reading the is that this problem that if somebody touches your wet hands it contaminates your hands it's even if you washed or even if you used a raas you'll have to dry your hand and that means pouring a raves of water will not help. This is seemingly the most clear place in the Mishabura where even once your hands become tame a raas of water is not going to help anymore cuz why did the mish say you have to dry them why don't you just pour another raas on it so even though he doesn't really say this explicitly we haven't seen in the Mishnaba maybe other say it but here the mish says you would have to dry them and uh wash again now Um let's see the even though the holds that if hand two touches hand one after hand one is completely washed you don't need to dry it and wash again the mug would be maida here because it's much worse when a a different person touches your hand than if a different hand touches your hand. Okay, you hear the point of the of the shion is saying even the mugram who holds that if one hand is completely hand two cannot be mame here we're not talking about hand too here we're talking about Larry Larry could be There are aim namely the Makash would say the same way the Minam holds that if you use a raas hand two cannot be matame hand one also Larry can't be matame hand one okay that's but but that's not how the mission wrote it on top on top the mission bru seemed to say le alma larame your hands even if you used if your hands are wet if your hands are dry there's no lar problem if your hands hands are wet. Larry could be a big problem. >> What's the lumbus that if there's a raas it shouldn't be a problem? >> We'll come to it. The kitser it seems like that once you use raas um now your hands are no it's no it's no longer susceptible to tuma. That's the brought in Adam. It's quoted in the D. >> Until when you mean just because there's still what? >> Until when until comes to be the sha and even after that. >> What does that mean? Why not? >> Cuz he reve what point can it become t again? >> It can't. Why? Why is that so important to you that it become to summarize the time frame of when these hands are like in the zone of becoming toma according to what the Mishabu was saying as long as your hands are wet they're in the zone of becoming tame once they're dry they're not in the zone of being able to become tame the the shion is pointing out that according to the mug and a if you use a revas there may be a difference between hand two being matame hand one but but somebody else can definitely be mame uh your wet hands according to the sash no if you use raas the would say not let's try to keep it as simple as possible what the mission of brewer says is so long as your hands are wet no no matter how much water you used Larry could be mat your hands even though the mug of says hand two cannot if you use reus but a different guy can even if his name is not Larry let's say his name is curly he also could be mame your hands >> so say this even when it's what about when it's dry is it only because it's wet >> yes only because it's wet if it's if it's dry then they're not susceptible for tum >> okay next um What about dry hands that are touched with a wet hand? Did we just discuss that? That means your dry hands but somebody else has a wet hand that touches it. Is that >> Let me review what it says here. Okay, let I'm going to review what it says here and then after you'll ask any other uh scenarios because it says I I just want to get clear what it says here in sdalid. Um there are many other good questions scenarios. What if you use, you know, one of those um lethal towels that thousands of people have used to wash to wipe their hands on and it's wet. It's, you know, if you would squeeze that out, you'd be able to replenish, you know, um famine, you know, countries is that considered and in it is tame water, you know, what how do you view that? I'm not discussing that now. Okay. Next case. How how is Larry Mat your hands? The water on your hands became from Larry touching them. The other guy it makes your hands tummy. Okay. Next. Therefore, you need to be careful when you pour the third waters. What's the third water? The first water is just the water to get your hands uh get the dirt off your hands. So the which is besides the first water. Okay. So basically like this let's just um for a moment we'll switch the terminology of the okay because we don't need to do our hands are are not filthy when we're washing. So you're watching um on the right hand on the left hand on the right hand on the left hand. Why the guy's alternating? I don't know why he's alternating. He doesn't need to. And if he wouldn't, he'd be much better off. But the guy got confused. He's alternating his hands. So says, "This guy has to be careful that he doesn't touch his other hand. alashn until he pours on the second hand as well. Meaning I washed my right hand with now my right hand is but there's t water on it. I washed my left hand with shinim. The hand is to there's tame water on it. I got to be careful not to take hand two and touch hand one because hand one is able to deal with the tame water on it by pouring my on it. Hand one cannot deal with tame water that came from hand two. If hand one now has on it t water from hand two, there's no way to get it off. The den that the den that pouring second water on first water removes it is only tame water from that hand not tame water from a different hand. Now the best thing would have been just pour one and two. So now this hand is clean is tahar and also you remove the tummy water and then you pour one and two and the hands never touch. The problem here is the guy's alternating. So each when he did and both hands are with water on them. When he then goes and pours on hand one, if any of the water from hand two gets on hand one, hand one will be tame forever unless he dries it. Um unless he pours on the second hand. already pours on both of them together says the second hand when it only had the and it was going to make the the first hand tummy. So hand one has to be very careful after wash not to touch the shim of hand two. Um I'm pausing here in the what do you need to do pour on both hands together? But if each hand had a reve poured on it, there's nothing to be concerned about. Cuz if hand one had a reve and then hand two had a rave. If then either of the hands touch each other, you're not going to get t water from one hand onto the other hand because the raas not only purifies the hand, the ra of remains. back to what would happen if you wash less than and before each hand got the hands came into contact. What do you do? Says some say you don't need to dry it. Who's that? Who's the Y Shimra? That was good the um the Minam who held that hand two does not create a a problem for hand one. Hand two does not create a problem for hand one. You don't have to dry it. You know what you could do? You just pour water on it again. Why? Cuz your hand was already. It's just the water was tummy. Since your hands are already even though now the water became from another hand will help. That's the opinion of some say that hand too is exactly like Larry. Your hands also have name. Larry is a different guy. The second hand he's called uh um fial and the first hand is called uh uh Zman. So fial is also a problem just like Larry's a problem. Fo is a problem. hand two according to now who's which Dea holds hand two is a problem like a different guy that's Rama the Rama that we saw yesterday at the end of holds you have to be careful about hand two even when hand hand one is tar so according to the mam if you if the two hands touch each other just wash hand one again the rama says no you got to dry it and that's an unresolved dispute You know, you would think you need to be m that's the you know the the in the and you don't seem that hand too is not a problem. All you see is Rama but there's a legitimate position in the hand to is not such a problem that you need to dry your hands. It would be enough just to wash them again. However, if you use a raas One second. Let's see. Okay. And I'm going further now. And this will be um I'm keeping you a little later instead of the Okay. Because we just we have to review this all in one day. Otherwise, it's going to be Here we go. If you use reviews, you don't need this. You don't need you're allowed to rub them together right away. But you do have to be careful that that a different guy who didn't wash his hands doesn't touch your wet hand. In other words, we use Rivas. So if you wash on hand one and a on hand two, then you don't have to worry about the hands um touching each other. In fact, there's a mitzvah shaft shaame, but you always have to watch out for Larry. Larry is always lurking in the darkness. He's going to pounce on your wet hands. You know, all of a sudden, Larry, he's the most unfriendly, unsocial guy. He wouldn't know how to say sham, if it hit him over the head, he's the guy who's going to come over to you with your wet hands and say, he's going to smother his tummy hands all over your wet hands and then you're up to that. Your pants will be tame until when? Unless you dry them. Now we get up to the the a little bit further. Venisgar. What if you washed your hands with the raas and then you remembered after I washed my hands with reus and I said Larry touched my hands before I dry them. What would you say you should do? Again, we're talking about you use the reas but Larry was them. You need to wash again with no don't make what don't make a bra but Larry touched my wet hands not my second hand not fal hand too touch my my first hand Larry touch them so why don't I make a on this the says It's not so that if you use Larry could be mat your hands even though the mug pas that way it's not so I inas and the ders note 39 says Adam says you could make the case that once you use a raas it's not susceptible to tuma not only from a second hand but even from a different guy. No, no, no, no. Get Larry away. Keep him away. Call the I don't know. Put Put tape on him. Put a put a mask on him. Tie him up. But if he did it, there's what to rely on. But you'll still have to wash your hands, but don't make a bra. And the says look in the he holds that according to and according to this when the concludes if you use it's not only going on you when the said be careful that hand two doesn't touch hand one it also means you don't have to worry that a different guy doesn't touch your hand not like the mug of I invas and shave it could be a problem. That's when you do. It's not going on raas. Okay. Now take a deep breath. Or at least I need to cuz I have to catch my breath here. Okay. Now we're Now we Then the what is >> the is because the mug and would say you have to wash with the braha Larry was mat your hands it's not so p you could be on this position that maybe a is not mab no the says for sure it's mab if you asked if the man come into the room and you asked him I used the raas Larry touched my hands I remembered after I made the braha what should you do the mug of would say wash again with a braha so it's not so p you could rely on this minority view that is not that's one way of reading I have another way. We'll do say it after. Okay, here's here's the fun part. Okay, this is the grand finale. You picked up the cle with your wet hand. So like this. You're eating breakfast. You're You washed your right hand with the left. You picked up the cup with your left hand, not with a plastic cup. Okay, don't don't get confused. Heaven forbid that you make believe this is an actual cup. It's not. I know it's going to be impossible because it's not a cup, but make believe it was a cup. You pour it from your left hand on your right hand. Your right hand is now tahar but wet. You took the kle with your right hand. You poured it on your left hand. Your left hand is now tahar but wet. You now put the cle back in your left hand. The problem is what's the problem? You picked up the cle with your right hand. Okay, one more time. You washed your right hand with this clay. Right now, the clay is dry. You cleaned your right hand. Your wet. Now, your right hand is wet, but it has tummy water on it. You then put the clay in your right hand. The tummy water is now on the right hand. which is fine. And you pour on your left hand. You pour on your left hand. You put it in your left hand. One more time. You picked up the cle with your wet hand. That's your right hand. That you poured on it once from your left hand. So the right hand was cleaned once. You now pick it up to pour on the left hand. The wet right hand is contaminating the handle. Now by switching into the left hand to pour onto the right hand a second time you're contaminating your second hand. Okay, very important. Let's just get this clear. Okay, you start you pick up the clue with your left hand. You pour on your right hand. Your right hand is to the water on your right hand is tummy. You now put in your in your right hand. The tummy water is now touching the cle. You pour on your left hand. Your left hand is tah with tummy water on it. You now put the clea in your left hand to pour a second time on your right hand. The problem is the tummy water from your right hand transferred from the cle to your left hand. So now your left hand is wet with tummy water from the right hand and there's no way to get it off unless you dry it. Now there would have been many ways to solve this issue. Have two handles or don't alternate. Why are you alternating but the guy alternated? What do you need to do? The advice is Make sure you pour on each hand. First you're pouring on the right hand. So now the right hand's completely tar with no tummy water and now it's not transferring any t water to the handle or don't alternate little bit little bit. Now your right hand is tahar with no tame water to transfer to the handle and uh and vice versa. Okay. So the way to get around handle transfer is either pur which we do or don't alternate which alternate which also we don't alternate. So this is academic because we both use a raas and and we don't alternate. So um rabger said So, let's do that. We did it already, but we have to do it again. Says the truth is you really need to be careful that the handle of the clay is completely dry. Because if the handle is wet, then As soon as you wash one hand, you made the the water on the cle. Think about it. If you pick up a wet cle, a wet handle, let's say you pick up with your left hand, your left hand didn't have nil yet. So your left hand is going to be the and then when you pick it up in the next hand and you touch it with the right hand. Okay, what he means is as follows. I had to read this again. Uh I had to spend time on this means like this. Let's say you come to cle and the cle is wet. When the left hand picks it up, the left hand is matame, the water on the handle. The left hand pours water on the right hand. The right hand is completely t with water on it. The problem now is if the right hand touches the t wet handle. The right hand is now going to be because it got tum from a different hand. the safer. This implies this implies the first time when you pick up the cle you have to be careful that the handle is dry otherwise the handle will become tame immediately through your left tummy hand. So here we have a seemingly very logical. Thera is don't use a wet handle to wash the because as soon as you touch it you're going to be mame that water. And then if you pick up that hand with another hand that other hand is going to become tame with water from the second hand. So that seems to be very legitimate. That would seem to be a reason why when you come to Washington, if the handle is is wet, you should take a towel and dry the cup. Your wife's saying, "You're doing the dishes." You say, "No, no, no, no, not doing the dishes. I'm just wiping down the cup." That's the that the chuba says you should be careful, says the Mishnaba. It is not necessary to be careful about this. It is not necessary. Why not? Why not? We know Larry is a problem if he touches my wet hands. We know my second hand is a problem if he touches my first hand while they're wet. Why wouldn't touching a wet handle that has on it a different hands tuma not be a problem? says the truth is if the handle is wet and I touch it with my left hand the water is not we saw earlier in that if I'm washing and Larry comes along and he dumps his tummy I don't want to call say what his hands are are his disgusting tummy hands in the water nothing happens to the water you know why cuz it's bishas he's not washing now so he could have no effect on water so too hand my left hand that I use to pick up the clay is not going to make the handle tummy because I'm not washing my left hand right now. My left hand is merely now being used to pour water on my right hand. It's not that hand that's picking up the wet handle, it didn't wash yet. That's why if you look in the Mishna then we'll end with this he says where does he say that? Where does he say that? H you see in the middle of the meas the Mishnabura said the Mishna Bura said in the middle of Memphis that if you touch the clay with your wet hand meaning with hand too I'm Sorry. That means like this. You washed your right hand and then you picked up uh the cle with your wet right hand. Your wet right hand is matame. And then it's going to transfer to the left hand. Why? Because in that case hand one is in middle of the process of the in middle of the process of the right hand which only had and it's and it's in the process of it could transfer tuma to the handle and then back to the left hand. But before you start the process on we are not concerned that the left hand will touch a wet handle make it tame and then when you touch it with your right hand transfer to the right hand because the left hand never started the process until the concept that a hand can make water t and then if another hand comes into contact with it it retains that tum and there's no way to get it off unless you dry It is only once the process of the has begun but if it's outside of the process the were never that a hand renders the water that's why the says I was very medic to write in the in the upshot is like this based on what we saw in the putting shif aside I'm sorry. Hagba is a cababalistic practice. Theash doesn't apply when you use raas. If you want to do it, you're you're a you like to do you be do it. I'm not I'm not saying I'm not going to do it. I'm not committing myself not to do it. I'm just saying halically you don't need to do it. You want to rub your hands together, you don't need to because you're using a raas. You want to, you could, but it's notically required. You want to know do I need to dry my niladay cup? According to Mayor Hake Bal Mishnab, you do not have to. It's brought from rebel that nowadays many people don't know how to wash properly. There's maybe there's on the cup t water from someone else's. It's a h. It's a hither. You want to do it, you could do it. If someone's behind you, if you're a balm muser, you don't do it. If you're not a balmer, you dry it for 17 minutes and make him suffer while you dry. Am I being right? You could pour rice on the handle to make sure every ounce of moisture is off. You know, rub it with Don't use regular paper towels. Bounty extra absorbent paper towels. And make sure you get into the the nooks and crannies because you think you dried it, but once you get it on the angle, you never know. We're learning Mishnabura. We did a half decent job on the second half of Talad at least the second time. Okay. >> What about if you're left-handed? >> If what? >> If you're left-handed. Oh, you're left-handed. >> If you're left-handed, you want to know, do you wash the left hand first? >> I don't know. >> We didn't get up to that part yet. >> I don't know. >> This is the best answer. >> Isaac for joining us. Okay, have a good day everyone. >> A little bit. That's definitely Yagati a little bit and a little bit. Yeah. >> Okay.