Iyun Pockets on Nedarim 84b {Daf Hashavuah}

Okay, friends. While we're waiting for everyone to come, I'm going to tell you about the development of today's sheer. This is the third topic that I prepared [snorts] for today's Eon sheer. The The first two didn't really go. The first two didn't fly. The first one that I wanted to talk about was The reason I'm telling you this is other than the fact that you have an understanding why it starts now is um because it will be a good review of some of the key points here. Number one, there's an epic run. The run learns that the Mahlikas the common and Rebbe Eleazar regarding whether not taking off Ma'aser Ani renders something Ma'aser. The lotion of the Gemara is Svekoi Eina um One man the armor holds Svekoi Eino One man the armor holds Svekoi Toivel. And that's dependent on whether Anos uh Toivas Hana Mamain or Eino Mamain. And the run was forced to learn that it's not only Mahlikas about Svekoi Toivel Vahu Aden Vadai There's Mahlikas whether Vadai is Toivel or not. If Vadai not taking off Ma'aser Ani renders it Toivel. And the way the run uh says that it that it's Toivel is Abaza is that it's Exe Hakasiv. Logically, there's no rationale to explain why whether taking off Ma'aser Ani or not taking off Ma'aser Ani would render something Ma'aser would render something Toivel or not. The run said it's Exe Hakasiv. Right? Remember that? So, there's no logic. The Or Sameach disagrees with the run. And the Or Sameach says the Mahlikas is only by Sufek to read the Gemara simply. And the Or Sameach has a logic why taking off my sir ani Why if you don't take it off, it would be tevel that would render it the toivas hana maman. And the the arsema says it's dependent on whether ma'aser ani has kedusha or not. If it has kedusha, then the toivas hana would be maman. But that subject uh it didn't work for me. Okay, it didn't I'm just But it's kedai to know that there's another approach to the ran than read the the ran has a very big doiche because he has to learn that sfek oy toivel is lav davka for a din vadai toivel. Then there's another amazing topic over here. The other amazing topic is the gemara on the bottom of pedad amud beis which ultimately we're going to dive into, but there's another area of it where the gemara says the first demissioner says if you aser kohanim and levi'im then they could take your leket shichcha and pe'a. Again, they could take the matnas kehuna against your will because toivas hana einai maman. And then it says if you aser these kohanim and levi'im, then others uh you could give it to others. That indicates toivas hana maman. And the gemara says it's a machlokes between Yehuda and Rabbi Yosi whether toivas hana is maman or not. I'm sorry. The the the other pocket I want to tell you about is the subject matter of why would giving ma'aser ani, not taking off ma'aser ani, why would it be tevel or why would it not be tevel? In other words, we the ran said it's gzeiras hakasav that if it's tevel then there's Tavis and I is my mind. And if if it's not tevel then Tavis and I is not moment that there's that if it's tevel then it's considered an but why would it or would not be tevel right? The run wants to know why would it yes be tevel or not be tevel. So the run says the why you would not be tevel cuz it's not worse than the mice are only itself. I could eat the mice are only itself. Mice are only itself is more to a Tsar. So how could it be tevel? Remember that logic of the run that it can't be it can't be more also than the mice are only itself. The tevel can't be more also than the mice are only itself. It happens to be that Engel in his as one of the right side clears the following Akira. This is not the subject for today but the right side club is clears the following Shayla. The Shayla is What is tevel? Is tevel in that produce that were not that you did not separate the requisite gifts are prohibited or is tevel we consider like the gifts that you needed to give are dispersed throughout all of this produce. In other words, is there a separate called tevel? Or is there's no is called tevel? It's just that whatever gifts you needed to give I need to give true more which is 1/50. That 1/50 is mixed in this whole thing over here. So, the Ravyati Sevangle says that from the run, you see you say it got all. That if the run is saying there's a logic to say that is there tevel does not apply by ma'aser on you because the is there tevel can't be worse than the ma'aser on you itself, which I'm allowed to eat. So, if I'm allowed to eat the ma'aser on you, I should be allowed to eat the tevel. That means the logic of tevel is that we consider it like the gifts that I needed to give are dispersed throughout the whole thing. But then all the akharonim ask, so then what does the run say? And the the other manda amara learns it's exeres hakos of that it's osser. We miss exeres hakos of that it's osser. But it can't be worse than it's still logically what how could it be worse than the is there itself? If the logic of tevel is it's dispersed in the whole thing, how could be worse than the is there itself? So, Pesach Frank in a very very long chuvah says that the other manda amara namely that's the opinion of Rabbi Eliezer. Meaning the braisa that says that they could take ma'aser um Meaning the hakhamim say that is there ma'aser on you is tevel. Why? Why would it be tevel? Because the opinion of the hakhamim is it is an is there hadash. In other words, that exactly is the makhlokes between Rabbi Eliezer and the hakhamim. Namely, do we view is there tevel as that as the isser is dispersed in the whole thing or do we view it as an isser hadash? If you hold it's not tevel, it's because it's a teruvice. If you hold it is tevel, it's because it's an isser hadash and it's not dependent on the fact that the ma'aser is dispersed in the whole thing. But these both of these topics are very outside. You know, I it's going to be hard to see it in the mar makomas, but I'm just bringing to your attention these ideas. I don't want to withhold it from you. But now I want to bring to your attention the sugia we are going to do, which is so epic that it cannot be um it can't be gla- uh glanced over. And I'm going to give it a recording b'finei asmai. >> Recording stopped. >> Okay.