MB DH Mishnas Sofrim Part 2 - The Converse Relationship Between "Shelo Kesidran" and "Chok Tuchos"

this Tower class is brought to you by torahanytime.com and we're continuing in the mishnas sorry foreign [Music] we're on the second to last line on the first column the mission Brewer just brought five lines from the bottom that to separate two letters that are touching are permitted and it's not considerably consideron to go back and separate two letters that are touching because if they have the surace um or for example a yud and of the aleph where of the shin or the ayen or the regular of the tough that are not touching and the kid could read it and basically looks like that letter is you could go back and fix it because it has the icker suressa ice says the Mr Brewer and the mission of safe from the era it would seem to cause the documentary the only time you could fix a letter that its joints are disattached is only if it's not outright apparently if it's outright a parent even though the kid says yes since its image is not on it that's considered writing disagrees and we had this before in similar mid base is look over there in what situation even Robert would agree that it would be an issue now in other in other words like this [Music] is saying that if it's you could go back and fix it but you cannot go back and fix it even though a kid is going to be reading it properly now he brings here that rubikivagar argues on this let's see further because this this is the Prima Gotham's opinion in other words the Prima Gotham holds that if it's recognizable outright you can't go back and fix it if it's not recognizable outright then you could fix it is when could you go out and fix it that's if the missing thing doesn't make it look like a different letter is when could you fix it when it's not Nickelodeon that's if it doesn't look like a different letter but if let's say the Euro that's Sadi if it's not touching it looks like foreign or for example where the leg if it's not touching the roof the nerica hey then usatina Carla is okay so now he's making he's qualifying this this then that if it's not Nikola you're allowed to fix it that's only if it has the Surah of the letter but if it starts to look like any other letter you cannot go and fix it holds that even in this past case meaning not the last thing that he said the last thing he said everyone agrees is no good but the Prima goddam is of the opinion that when it's and the child reads the letter properly tickling will not help so who holds that ticket will help that's rubiker that's not like this will be Cuba and the primogada that when it's that you'd be allowed to fix it it seems like Prima Gotham holds you cannot the I understand okay here's another rule here's another Rule now we're going to get it we're going to get up the picture here okay here we go you ready for this casavada primogram called the muscle the Prima Gotham writes another rule kosher aim koise anytime you're not writing let's say you're just erasing or extend continuing Inc Loy Havish if you go back and either erase or extend it's natural is spelled Malay um let's say you spelled it Malay with Evans it's not supposed to be Molly with above you spell lamb and Olive vase and you spelled with above so now you have to go back and erase the valve so it's like but now it looks like two words it looks like [Music] so you know what you do now you erase and you extend the vase you extend the vase wait a second I'm erasing and I'm extending the alphabetes is not doing anything don't tell me I made a base because it was a base before it just I made it that it was two words and then I fixed it that's not consensually considered vadai emotion if originally I made the base like a nun fufa you made it like a regular Nunez and then you extend it to be a base like in diagram two which you originally wrote and you realize first of all I'm not supposed to make the love I have to raise the buff oh and I made a note let me extend it to a phase not you're out have a Schleich there let's say I wrote the letter properly then it got ruined is ruined was nullified um at all times this is not not like the requirement that it has to be surrounded by parchment which we say that's only an issue when you wrote it but if later something happened then it's not you could fix it that's because the tur isidran has to be at all times sometimes making a DOT isn't is you should make a sign on your arrows or whatever the word Eureka means I don't know and you and then you realize oh I made a race welcome down now I have to square off we think the circle around there but the old commercials now it's gonna be a problem of she like any time the letter does not have the right form because okay one more Rule and then I know it's gonna be very hard for everyone to sleep tonight because tomorrow we're going to be learning the letter aleph it's a big day tomorrow I know before you were three years old and they brought you to Yeshiva you couldn't sleep the whole night but you haven't seen anything yet you thought you learned the olive then nah tomorrow's the big day okay another rule from the Prima Golem about foreign anytime the Torah says you should write which means you have to write it you can't allow the letters to form by erasing let's say just was formed through let's say on the word Bene so what you did is you made a very thick tap of the yood so you want to scratch off the uh the bottom to make a little Thorn coming out of the bottom or Thorn coming out of the type of since without the thorn the letter is not kosher now what about signing again it's the matter of aguno because of even though the third doesn't say because of but nevertheless fine fine to be very careful it's a very lengthy subject of similar base grab a hold of the following rule basically the laws of Christ are the exact opposite of um when it comes to out of order erasing and scraping and extending is naturally because when it's dried ink is wedding um anytime you scrape erase or drop for us if you're not doing an act in the actual letter um here's an example let's say you have a good base is a little droplet of ink fella hello here look you have the letter and a little ink fell in the vase and now it looks like a pig Latina color is the coaching right saying to us a lot the kid might read a lot of voice but we see it doesn't look like a vase looks like a pig then it's not gonna help to scrape off the pet the dot because you're making a vase not by writing it but by removing once the letter is puzzled butt luck sivakamisa the original writing is now you're engraving the inner the inside you're not doing an act in the letter you're just scraping you're scraping the interior of the letterboxes even if afterwards you draw the base so you'll say okay I'll scrape the interior of the pay and now I'll do a nicer to the Goof of the letter by extending it PayPal you have a vase you're not doing anything by extending it it was you can make it more lazy once a vase is a vase it's not but I made it more of a vase no either it is or it's not you can't be more of a you can't be more or less vasy either you are or you're not so you can't make it more of a vase it doesn't become a caution Vase by making it more lazy even bigger case let's look at number seven Rhymes so you say no problem I made a test I'll just take off the roof you call a roofer and you take off the roof of the house so now it's to Zion let's say scrape off the nose why because you didn't do a mice on the Goof of Messiah what do you mean I scratched the nose the nose is not part of the Zion I didn't do a mice and the good for the Zion Avalon Kasha ah but let's say like this in diagram eight let's make it bigger let's say you need to do an act to be Mass limit in other words you're scraping off the nose but you have to make it into a Zion so that's okay even though the top of the Zion into Zion but it wasn't it didn't become a Zion through foreign so tomorrow tell your friends tell your cousins tell your relatives tomorrow we learn ice aleph and maybe if we're good we'll learn a space as well okay have a wonderful day [Music] talk to him you've just experienced another Torah class brought to you by torahanytime.com