Not The Sharpest

I'll tell I'll tell you something interesting. Something interesting about guys sitting far away. Shia sh if ever in a speech you're trying to scream. It's a loud room. Somebody's talking you're trying to scream. The whole speech the ability to speak. Kimat is non-existent. Kimat I don't speak in the dining room by sudas. any type of public speaking, you want to maintain that we're talking together. There's nothing wrong with being prepared, having things you want to say, but you want to be present when you speak. You want to I want to like feel what I'm saying. I don't want to be a talk. My kids call a talking head. If you're screaming, I want to say you're screaming. It's very very hard to be present. A lot of a speaker, there's something called tonality. Tonality is when a speaker goes higher and lowers and excited. That's a normal thing. You're not always excited when you speak. There's a point that gets you fired up and not a lot of listening to a speech is the tonality up down automatically. Ellie, you're screaming. Somebody's back robot. You're trying to scream. You can't be present. It's like you just tense like trying to get out something. So, it helps if the isser helps. I want to welcome Ellie back. Ellie Katherine back to YOUR SHOW. I WANT to express on Ellie that that his own journey is a beautiful journey like really really beautiful. Every single thing we speak about the beauty of Waterberry that somebody could have an honest journey like find what he likes finds what he doesn't like finds what like attaches to his soul. The way Ellie has is processing and has processed his story is like magical. And it doesn't mean the goal of water is not you're not like there when you graduate. It's a lifelong and a sham on this earth should be here a long time. It's a very beautiful thing in a shami here. But we're capable of like finding real spaces of of finding things out, figuring things out. We have a beautiful light and it's a beautiful journey that is here. I just appreciate the honesty, the way he he's processing his story in a very very beautiful way. So it's very exciting you're back. We're happy we're plugged in again. I I what I want to do Ellie today Jamie Yak I want to put our minds together to really study there's a rashi I've been bothered by before I'll be honest the parisha this year I was studying different things on parish has told us I did not think about this this year I am not here to tell you something I thought of a different year I actually am I I a lot's gone on over the year I want to try to study something I would do this if nobody was here today I would do this myself. I want to think about something. I'm asking the to please help me. There's a rashi I want to study. I'm curious about I'd like to study it with the guys. We come from the that's where we come. That's our makeup. To study them is to study yourself. Understand in general understanding your parents is a big part of understanding yourself. Today there's there's a lot of awareness. Do you know if a person's parents have trauma, you see signs. If parents went, if a father went through certain traumas, you know, the kid will have all the signs. It's called intergenerational trauma. If a father went through very serious things, I don't know if I have to speak it out. You could see signs in the sun. The son didn't even go through that trauma because he lives with his father. What's in the father? In the Tyra, there's a line. study the and you you'll know about us. The story of our is our story. So it's very it's just to study the to understand the you learn a lot about what's in us. And I want to study Yakovu a specific point about Yakovu that seems to be quite a central point in his life. Jacob is the of the of MS. Tain MS Jacobu and MS is a big. Now when it says about Jacu, it says the youth two twins got older. Yakov and Asov. He knows how to be. Literal means he knows how to trap. He's a trapper. Man of the field is and he sits and learns and sits and learns. What does mean? Says Rashi. He's a trickster. Asov is smooled with the tongue and he knows how to be his father. He tricks his father and he what does he do? He asks his father, "How do you take off of me?" He fools his father a lot of trickery. He sells his father that he's a big medit's a smooth talker and he fools his father. He tricks his father. As an aside, there's not there's not what I don't want to focus too much on as I do want to say Asov fools his father. He is he has from speak to his father. All of us learned this as kids as just a sick liar, a sicko. He does bad things and he presents himself as a good person. There's probably degrees there's some degree of that bring the the the I believe it was from Rabonim but I saw invarim that bring what he did that he tricked his father the the medish brings that As had incredible kav as had merc he was a mab his father kazal describes specifically one act that he used to do he would put on special begottim to serve his father. Amazing. He'd wear special begottim to serve his father. That's what Asab did. He wore beautiful begum. He wore nice beadum to serve his father. What bring and that's like remarkable. What an honor. Could you imagine every time we serve our parents you put on a nice garment for your parent impressive every time from the most important mitz is respect the parents when he would serve his parents he would wear a special garment >> what does that mean cuz at least with me when I'm not like setting time every day at 2:00 I'm helping my parents as they're asking me throughout the day to help >> amazingly he would quickly get dressed like a wild thing. The simple picture as real his father would ask probably say one minute dad and he'd wear some it was like a to serve your father you're born for this. So the the simple meaning sha is he would wear nice clothing. Now Azriel says is it always kim to do that if it takes longer. So I guess he would have to weigh that but typically he would wear special garments to serve his father. That's what Asab typically would do. We discuss we've discussed this before. I'm going to say this fast and I always this is a verb I always say. It's not a verb. I always if you want to describe waterberry shai if you want to describe waterberry to somebody I say this to every single interview practically so I end up saying it about six times a week these days there are a lot of interviews coming when I describe the yeshiva what is waterberry what's what's waterberry trying to be so I describe the word this is called clothing called clothing what is this a begged it's a begged beadim What strikes you on the word begg? We explain always. Is this a table? No. Is this a hand? No. Is this a nose? No. Is this an ear? No. Absolutely not. It's called that. There's nothing about this that's an e a r. It's called an ear. We want to speak. So we make up a name for this. And when we say ear, we both picture this. We think about this. It's not an ear. If you want to know what it is, it's not called the It is a It's called a table. It is a This is called the hand. What is it? It's a yodal. What do you know about somebody who's called the dad? >> Sh. >> Not your father. He's called a dad. What do you know about him? >> That he has kids. You know, one somebody's called a dad. What do you know about him? his children. What is he avo this a yad yad? This is not called a yad. It's a yad. >> So beadim is what it is. Baze giml. What's striking shai about the word baze gimmel daled? Where's the alf in a row? And where's the olive? Alf is the essence. Hashem's called alfum bead is missing the alf. It's not the thing. It covers the thing. It's missing the alf. It's not the thing itself. If it was the thing, it wouldn't beim covers the thing. So beadim is not the thing. It covers thing. What else does bimlid mean? Treachery. Abraham is a traitor is treachery. Now in in English hand and and I have no shrus because it's not a hand. If begged means clothing and treachery they're the exact same thing spiritually to be a trader and clothing is the same thing. Why is it the exact same thing? >> Being a trader >> is dis trader is disconnected to the mel to the olive and clothing is disconnected to the olive. They're the same thing spiritually. It's what you're portraying, not who you are. Somebody wants to understand waterberry. It's bibod. It's bibod. There's a lot of begadum. The way we like present and beadam has a space. Begadm is how you portray what you show others. What you present that's begun. And there's a place for beg. But when says when there are a lot of you got to find what am I order? Who are you? What resonates what's what's your inside what's your journey what's your story deep inside as would serve his father would we wear special begad him is not a side point to as keep in mind as respects his father how many people out of respect to that father don't don't say who they are I don't want to hurt dad so Asov wears begadim to serve his father is much deeper than you think in respect for his father he doesn't reveal himself self the cause for him right is he's not impacted by cuz he's hiding he might have had very deepness I don't want to hurt my father but oh did he put on bead to serve his father he was one mitas of begadam to serve his father as opposed to revealing himself who he was who he is if he would have revealed who he was life would be very different there was his >> what >> ultimately It's trickery sometimes is a space for begadim. The way the raim of learnings is he shouldn't have worn beadim. Now he did it he did it because he felt that he didn't want to hurt his father but ultimately he wasn't able to be impacted by his father. That's how according to this chhatshai it doesn't mean literal. It could be literal. He wore a special begadim means also that he did a presentation his father. He showed his father what he maybe hoped to be instead of who he was. That's begun them too. >> I don't think it was trickery, but I think in his want not to hurt his father, he he did not show himself. He didn't connect and the cost of that is connection. It's a deep deep price for that in the want is to hide. It's I'll tell you something interesting. A yid came to yeshiva and we were having conversations that were all beg them like pleasant. Oh, how are you slap fire rice silverman the we were having like these pleasant camera and the was even saying like cool things. Rman like called him out on something like attacked and he dropped the like we met him and we met each other. When you get to the spaces where you are like even in dating inim the first three dates are like all bead oh and you have fun it's good to have fun there's a certain place you like you meet you you express a little bit what's going on inside what's happening and there you meet if you stay in the place you don't ever meet you don't ever connect okay >> but it says as of which says is deceit. He's Rashi says he's a liar. He's a trickster. Jacob's says, "Rashi, what'simos?" And there's the rashi I want to study. Yakov, I want to try to figure out today if we today could figure out this rashi. A um Jacob's an ishum says Tom. He's not a Bucky and all these things. The way his heart is, so is his mouth. Somebody who's not sharp. Somebody who's not sharp to trick is called a Tam. That's a Tam is not is not sharp to trick. What bothers me on the Rashi and I want to I want to figure out we're capable of learning Tyra. What bothers me on this Rashi is Rashi calls Jacra Hashem calls Jacob an ishum to me mistake Rashi says what's not like an expert on all these things his heart and his mouth are aligned somebody who's not sharp to trick is called a Yakov like dumb somebody who's not sharp to trick. That's what she talking about in describing Jacob who's an isham. It's an isham. What's a tam? Somebody who's not who's not able. He doesn't have the capacity to trick. So what do we describe? I thought Jacob. No, Jacob is less smart than as a Tam is somebody who's not and it calls Jacobu an isham. Now you could say you could say and I I just want to study the rashi is I need to figure out the rashi. Is Asov smart? He's a trickster. He's very intelligent and Yak is just not so you meet a dimwit. He's just not. He's not sophisticated enough to trick. >> Rashi says if he's not sharp tricky. >> What does that mean? He's not sharp. He doesn't want to trick. >> Who said that intelligence means to trick? >> What do you mean he's not sharp? Why would you say somebody's not sharp to trick? Somebody doesn't what >> to trick. Ram is trickery. And it says about he's an ish. He's not familiar with all these things. somebody who's not is called a Tam. Now I want to express that it doesn't say but that's what a tom is stupid >> what >> is stupid >> I don't want is called a so I don't want to >> it's funny we have we have the we could we could analyze what a is a good bad let's learn here Tom and maybe it will shed light what a there is rashi says I want to study the rashi I want people if If we can, we could all say our theories. I want to study the rashi. Rashi is talking to me and you. I'm a very I'm a competitive guy. When I learn a rashy tis, I have like a certain competitive rashi. Like I'm not stupid. I'm rashi's writing tyra. Hashem has me learn this rash and he's talking to me. So I want to find out who's Jacob. Let's say I am sharp and I can't be Jacob. I mean what is Jacob? He's an isham says rashy. What's a tam? I'm going to read the rashy. I wanted to fit in Rashi. What's it Toma? He's not a baky in all this. I assume all this is the things As could do. It's contrast as he knows how to fool. He can pull a lot of to his father. He's not an expert. He's not a buck. He's not proficient in all this. What's on his heart that's in his mouth? Now, Rashi explains somebody who's not sharp to trick is called a Tam. So, a Tam sounds like somebody who doesn't have the capacity. He's an ishm. Now I want to acknowledge I don't want to like pull I want to like be on the same page. It could be Yakov by choice is a tom ishm might mean he decides to be that. But it's just funny to me that to such a funny thing to describe a tom is a guy who's an ishm is a guy who decides to be that maybe he has a capacity wants to be that >> what's rashi doing here. What's happening here? Because he's not sharp. What am I describing? Explain to me he's just not sharp with that. to be an attacker like sharp as an attacker. He's not like is like a sharpness and he's not who would describe this is it's an it's a sincerity. What's Rashi describing it? Tom I have no agenda other than to figure out Rashi a is called a tom somebody who's not sharp to do ramos. Does that mean that Yakob did not even know how to be shot? >> That's what I'm asking. That's what I'm asking. >> Now, it might be he willfully chose to be the Tam is a guy who doesn't have the capacity. Jacob by choice is that maybe I just don't know why you'd explain honesty this way. Jacob is an atam and Jacob decides I'm I'm I'm trying Yanke. You could help us. Your name is Yanke. How do you understand this? Rashi pass this to Can you pass this to Yanker? >> I wouldn't give a f on the other side. I would give a thing. >> Is a club. Look at the rash. Tell me for that. >> Tell me. Look at the rashy here. >> Help me out. Zebie, help me out. >> Let's together. We have a lot. We're We have karifus here. Let's figure out. >> Let's figure out Let's figure Shia. Let's figure it out together. We're smart, guys. That ration I have a question. >> I want to figure this out. Then we'll do other questions. >> My question is trying to figure this out. >> So one head one said >> what? >> His heart is his mouth. >> They're aligned. Let's see it again. I'll read it to anybody who wants help with the taich words. says he's not an expert. Abaki is an expert. He's not an expert at all this. What his heart is his mouth. Now Rashi explains somebody who's not sharp to trick is called a honest. Yeah. So, obviously >> I want to hear what Rashi's saying. >> I don't know. We're trying to figure it out. Rashi says the time. YaKob, your name's Jacob. What are you feeling in Rashi? What's Rashi expressing about him? >> We'll just ask what's happening. We're trying to figure out a rashi. Jacob's known to be an ishmos. What's a Tom? Says Rashi. Look at the rash. Tom. He's not an expert on all these things. What's in his heart is in his mouth. Explains somebody who's not sharp to trick. Tam is called a Tam. He's not sharp to trick. It's called a somebody's not so sharp. It's not it's called it sounds the simple words in Rashi sounds like somebody who's not so smart. Now again is somebody who's not so smart. That's what Rashi says that he doesn't say doesn't have the want or willingness is not so sharp to trick is called a sounds like Yakashi. Now, it might be the guy saying he's not a tom, he's an ishm, which might means he willfully chooses that. Maybe it's just a funny way to describe somebody who's honest. Like, like Lei said, he doesn't lie. Two words in Rashi like really throw me off. He's honest. Honesty. He doesn't lie. Rashi says he's not proficient. What's happening? What's happening? doesn't know what's going on. >> That's good. >> Isn't the Isn't this what we're trying to describe Jacob? Like the simple thing of Timos is honesty. He's honest. Isn't this a simple thing that he like it's such a funny thing says the honesty is is he doesn't lie because it's not the right thing to do. Isn't that the reason not to lie is a is aim to go between I don't want to lie. I don't want to be a trickster. >> I certainly think that's a decision but here he says now could be that's a and he decides to be that Jacob. What do you say? >> I don't know. I'm saying you focusing that he's not like not sharp. Not sharp. Love was the liar. I guess it's a little bit like >> And when it says you focus on focus on >> it's not a problem. It's not an to do it. It's not what he wants. It's not what he does. seems a funny thing to say on a time that he's not to do it >> sharp His mind was sharper than wasn't heal. What a person >> wasn't a type of person who would cover like he wasn't a sharp type of person like friction >> I think I want anyone sharp Everything has to be clever. Same thing. Leo came pissed. meant to go. >> What' you say? >> No, no, no. We want to study Jacob. We all want I don't know. I want to say like this that on the first words that it says about Jacob came what's in his heart is what it comes to his mouth is like delightful that you get the truth of what someone came what's in his heart so is his mouth his heart and mouth are aligned there's a line the world says there's a line the world says there's no exact kazal the way I'm going to say people call this a kazal I have Forbes sukim and mish. I can't tell you offhand. I learned I was very into mish. I found that describe this idea though there's no exact. There's a line. Words that emanate from the heart enter the heart. If you want your words to be powerful, say what you really hold. You hear people speak. They talk. Stop. Stop. What do you really hold? Real real be present. You'll have times. Everybody here will have times in your life. You're going to speak about you're going to speak at a chevra about a friend. Say something real. Go on a walk. People like think what should I say about him is afra. What should I say? What should I say? Say a real compliment when you're alone in a room that you feel about him. It's very powerful. You hear guys talking and say things they're say they're not saying what they hold, what they feel, what they know, what the truth is. Say things you really hold. I was talking as real to my sh. We were looking for a rv to be an assistant for like two years. I was looking for a r and people came down good people and I'm not like you can't prove this but I asked I met like the core people involved in the decision in choosing the rub. I said, "I beg you, people can come and say brilliant things and cool things and nice things. Let's find somebody what they say they really believe." Like they they would die for what they say, not their people who talk and say and feel and they're not saying the mid of Jacobu is kib what he says is really here. It's really what he holds real. I've I've told guys, you know, so a Rebi asks Sakasha and people say Tutt Sim, Rebby, saw you saying what's a little better, say better. I always want to tell the Rebi, this is what I hold. This is what I hold. Let me say better. I really hold this. It's You want me to say what you hold? I don't know what you hold. I could tell you what I hold. In learning in general, you're at your best in learning when you really say what you think. Really? I got so upset at a guy this summer. We were learning on in in Sulam. Aia we're learning on and a guy in learning start why can't you say this he said because you don't believe it you could feel when a guy says what he believes you don't believe that's true why can't we say you can say whatever you want at the point you don't believe something what does it mean what's even we're learning this very rashy anybody could I love when people in learning said maybe you could sit do you believe it I really want to believe it I want to read the rash I like learning tyra I want to like be impacted by Rashi's words. I don't know what Rashi means. I really don't know. It bothers me. You're not so sharp. It's not the problem of sharpness. I don't the I the honest people I know are completely as sharp as the liars. Just don't want to lie. So I don't know what Rashi is saying. I really don't. I don't have chat with I don't mind. Why can't you say? I don't know what Rashi means. The people I know that are honest are the sharpest people in the world. They just don't want to lie. I don't I don't It has nothing to do with lack of sharpness. Now, Rashi might be saying, I don't know if Rashi is saying Jacob's a Tam. He's an isham. He behaves like the guy who doesn't know how to lie. He purposely decides to be a Tam. A Tam is not capable of lying. Now, I don't know why you would describe an honest person like that. I don't want to be the stupid guy. I just don't lie. Why would you want to like describe him as a person who can't? I don't know. I don't know. I don't have a Rashi describes a somebody who's not sharp. There's some deficiency. He's not. It's just not the way I ever would describe it. Now, somebody why maybe Rashi means I want to know what Rashi means. I don't know what he means. He's describing a describing in honesty. says, "Rashi, what's a tom?" It's called a tom. Somebody who's not sharp to trick. I don't know what's happening here that it calls him an ishm. It could be decides to be that. I don't know. I don't have what I do want to say in the words of Rashi is Rashi says about this is powerful. Rashi says, "What's on his heart?" That's what he says. His his mouth is attached to his heart. That's like magical. When somebody's kibboy, what's here is here. It's beautiful. They really say what they feel. Mameish. Mameish. They say what they feel. You'll see in conversations you bond with somebody when there's an honesty. When you mamish, you'll see one day when you go out with the girl. It's interesting. Sometimes there's an uncomfortable moment. Usually it's tied. Somebody's not saying what's on their heart. Usually an uncomfortable why I picked a date. I'm dealing with a lot of guys on dates. Usually an uncomfortable moment is somebody's not expressing something that was on their heart. You could feel it in the conversation. And there's a beautiful You want to know Yakov. These words I love, but I want to get the whole rashi. I don't in a rashi about honesty. I don't want to be dishonest for sure. So I want to read the whole rashi. But those words are miracle. Tom ain't no bothers me. He's not proficient in all this. I don't know why Rashi said that. He's not a Bucky. He doesn't do that. I don't know what's He's not proficient. Ella, what Ella? The Ella? What is it? He's not Bucky. He's not proficient in all that. That's not where he goes. Ella, you know what you get from him. It's interesting as a very danger once. Say this, say that, say the next thing. Asov's willing to to do. He's working hard. He's working way too hard. As for maybe fools his father and I'll say this and I'll say that. It's not where he's at. He's a Rami. He's willing to go different places. A Tom doesn't go there. Whether he's not, I don't know if he's not capable. It's probably a decision. A Tom doesn't live there. There's just what he's thinking. By the way, I suspect that Tom is not even capable. Like he doesn't he's just not where he is. Kib came piv. That's what you get. He's not he's not willing. Why don't you just say this? Why don't you guy ask me in speaking? Why don't you speak more about a certain thing? I don't get it. Why don't you speak more? I express to the person that I try I try. Why don't you talk about a certain is not what I'm thinking about. You're at a very dangerous place where you just speak about this, say that. If that's not where you are, don't talk about it. That's not what I'm thinking about. So, I can't talk. I'm sorry. Maybe if you yell at me enough and make it on my mind, they'll think it's not where I am, so I'm not going to say it. The mid of where he is, that's what comes out of his mouth. And by the way, when you do that, words that connect to here go into the heart. Do you know the last night of yeshiva it's we're up all night and guys saying their story. Do you know most of the night guys are saying things when Ellie Kaplan spoke I couldn't be tired. I was like drawn in cuz it was coming from his heart. You could hear when a guy's talking and the words don't attach to himself. I went I went I went to a rehab. I went to a rehab and 50 people they had a meeting. It was may it was not like the last night here. It did not have quite the support there was but it was a lot of honesty. People were saying their stories. It went around the room and people were saying their stories. Most people when they spoke they were mamish saying their stories. You were like drawn in. You were like whoa. There was like a deep silence in the room because they were saying their stories. One guy started like blabbing. Well, uh you see I have like I'm conf and everybody knew he wasn't attached to what he was saying. He wasn't attached. It wasn't it wasn't he was not attached to what he was saying. He was talking he was not attached to his words. You could feel it. You felt like pushed away from the words. You could start the last night when a guy talks. He doesn't mean to lie. He's just not connected to his story. It's like, well, uh, he's saying like a secondhand story. He's not emotionally attached to his words. You start falling asleep. You'll look around the room. A lot of people are falling asleep because not his words are not connected to his heart. What he says is what he holds. It's what he believes. It's magical and learning two kuses who really say what they hold. It's it's it's awesome. You mamish bond and each you argue you fight but two people are mamish connected. I hold this way. Hold it. They're saying things when people maybe you could say I don't know you're not saying what you think you would dive even when I asked for rashi I want a guy to say something he studied it and this is like cl not why can't you say no this I read it this is what it's saying to me this is what I see what's here is mish what you see what you feel what you experience it's very powerful ful and you do this in all areas of life. Words that emanate from the heart go into the next person's heart. It's powerful. It's au is this me. There's an isham. You're so sweet. Thank you. An isham is kib. You'll see when you when you go out. People want waterberry. Guys, if I had to describe a big something we're striving for. I'm not being pretend. You don't want to speak about Kaliba Kib and say dishonesty. What waterberry guys are striving bentra a person of this of this revolution of honesty is a person you get mameish where he is kilboy came mish you're trying he's a big attempt where his heart is there his mouth is he's saying mamish he's not even you know guys is a nice I want somebody I asked them find the r his very like he holds this emis he would die for this truth it's mish he's connected to this he sees this as what's in his heart is coming out to his mouth. That's that's the place that is a beautiful thing that part I get I don't know what it's saying somebody who's not some I don't know I don't know in that I can't figure it out I'm not going to pretend to the guys not a rashian honesty I'm not pretending I don't know and I hear guys are saying something I'm not sure what it means I don't know what that means things have to be exact this till here the words in rashi if it would I get it. What's What's in his heart? It's in his mouth. I can't figure that out. It might be there are people who are not capable of doing it. And the smart guy who is capable acts that way. Maybe there's people who are not capable. There's a certain type has no capacity. The isham decides to behave that way. He's capable is a sharpness. Not >> what >> the word typically say is sharpness. That's typically if somebody has another way of understand >> I'm struggling with this now. Maybe a guy would see somebody who behave, you know, you ever meet like a certain person that's not even cable like there's no and this and Yakob is an isham by decision he behaves like that guy. Maybe maybe >> well that would be that would be lying >> that might be called a and maybe a person who's kib decides to behave like that. Maybe he's he could be sharp. >> I don't know what to >> right. He's saying what a Tam is. So it doesn't mean Yakov's a Tam. Jacob's ansham behaves like that guy. Maybe just offering. But I don't know why you would even like try to imitate a guy who can. You can. >> He also says he's not an expert at these. >> I know. I can't figure that bothers me. Two parts of Rashi. I can't get m I'm not going to pretend and I'm not trying to bully the guys. I know I give anybody the floor and tell us what it means. I'm struggling with this. It's your name Yank. I struggle other years. I'm not I don't want to just be bothered because I was bothered last year. I help I I want I like learning things fresh again. I want to like understand it. >> Rashi is not hitting what's he saying. He's not an expert at it's not what I describe and is what's the only words of rashi that that I like hear is that's like delightful to me what's in his heart is in his mouth that's to me is the striving of us all the other things I can't do you have a rash he's doing >> don't be afraid I'm I like scared I'm like a bully but I'm happy or a little I want you to be a little afraid because when you really I want you to stand up and say I got it but not why can't you say because if you don't believe it then I I I want to I really want to understand right pip is like does do like the honest person also ends up doing just because he's so honest like I feel like a very honest person like ends up rocking people because he's just being himself also has some not to do it. He just he ends up when he's talking to is just being himself. So it throws him off. >> Throws who off? >> Like it'll be rais like to a dishonest person. Honest person will like honest person mess with a dishonest person or just confuse him because he's just being so honest. So Jacob ends up being >> so so which words are you? So, >> so he is a it's not for because he's so honest. He ends up like >> tricking people. >> He ends up doing her like to love and he ends up doing >> like throw off the dish on his person. He just >> That's why he says he's not. >> Yeah. He ends up >> That's why he says because it comes out >> could be the biggest Rama is when you're honest like you learn what to do with that messes people. >> That's why Rashi doesn't want to say doesn't do it. >> Say it's not a it's not a technique. It's a >> shove him back and forth. He says I also if you want >> Yeah. It says tell him that you should be honest with honest person and trick with the tricker. Hashem is and and to people that are dishonest, Hashem leads in such a way. It does say that >> really. So if a person feels like Hashem is tricking that he's I hear what he's saying. >> Also, it says um which means that he's really honest. If he's going with what his heart feels, then he's really honest. And he's not choosing to be a choosing to be a using his mind to go with his heart. which is automatically >> which is automatically not fully honest because if if he was really Kiba came then it means that in his heart he was a town >> that's a decision we all can make a decision to do that to really go it's in the heart >> but making a decision requires the mind >> it's fine as long as then the mind chooses what's in the heart what were you saying >> I'm struggling I don't I don't mind struggling at a rash you just we're struggling ling publicly here, but I still want to figure it out. What you have a feeling on this? >> You know, bothers me in my sense. Yeah. He wasn't capable of like I've seen people like that. They're very wholesome, sweet, naive, a little heense. He was a man of the fence. He didn't know about the whole business world. Maybe you could have practically gotten better at it. I know it's like hard to say was capable of everything >> but >> I mean he wasn't he wasn't an expert in all these things he was intense learning whatever he wasn't the sharpest very like more I don't sound like not a negative he was very simple >> he didn't develop this part like maybe there's a place to be ra >> it's a cooler story of like also this Rebby >> maybe is like an ish tam is no but he he a person who never developed there might be a space by the way in his in his story itself he's forced to lie he's forced to lie to to to asab right away so ishams he never developed we like developed this ability yakarak didn't go there he's It was it was an underdeveloped side. Our ability we sometimes have force to say never develop this side of things. He was somebody who was trained what you feel and this side as reasons in his dealings. Times you have to be Mishana. That's the way of the world. Yakob never developed this side of himself. Now maybe there's a side for it. Maybe in Asov even there's a need sometimes you know it's ML you hear ML saying Yank ML saying maybe there is a need sometimes to not be you know you're out there in the world there are times you have to say this you don't always say everything on your heart there are times you got to learn don't say that you know you teach certain people like not to be like don't be so you see somebody who's like too honest and doesn't know anybody who studies hill you don't say to a kala something in a you know there's there's a way of the world it could be Yakino isham that he never developed that side that's not what he does he's he was maybe it's funny and interacting when you're out there see have times you can't always say what's here you have to learn he's but not because of lack of intelligence it was not a developed thing he was a person who was who went Levi Kapib that's how he went and he it wasn't now is there a time to develop that that that ace of muscle that wasn't what he did that's what Mal is saying >> right right >> he never even worked on this muscle of like when you're when you're out there interacting in the world you actually have to develop. Okay, I can't say that is the person in its pure form is he didn't like literally from from when we're out there we you know what it reminds me of little kids you know this reminds me of I'll tell you a story my parents Daniel if I could tell you just a true story my parents had a van a very interesting van my father used to lend his van to guys in Yish Faraku used to lend out his van. My parents had a van. My father had a van that didn't need a key to start it. You literally at a certain point it was broken. You turned the ignition piece and drove it off. Talmid took advantage. Sometimes you just went to the car, turned the piece, and you drove. The bottom line is is my parents van, this van was stolen. And >> what? >> It was stolen. My my parents' van I kid you not. I checked for my keys just now, but my parents' van was was stolen and somebody told my parents that it's being used as a freedom van. Do you guys know what a freedom van is in the inner city? So, some people the bus stops, this is totally illegal. They're bus stops and go and wait by the bus stops. People take vans, they'll go up, let's say the bus charges $10, they'll charge five and they go do the bus route with their own vans, charge a half price. It's stealing. They use the bus suits and they just drive. There's before Ubers and the like. Today I don't have this there's freedom. They still have it today in the inner city. This is prevalent. Well, somebody stole my parents' van and and reported to my parents that they saw it being used as a freedom van. Your van became a freedom van. It's going at the bus stop. So my parents drove the car and they found they different car. They chased their own car. They found the guy. They got ahead of him. The bottom line is they called the cops and they got the car back. They got they captured the van back. We got our van back. When we got it back to the police station, the guy, it turns out, was sleeping in the car. He was using it as a house and his pas it was like an all-in-one vehicle. It was a guy's house, his pas. He used his van and he had covers in there. He had pajamas in there. He literally was using it as his place of residence apparently. Now in the police station they asked my parents they gave back the van. They said somehow they offered my parents all his stuff. My parents did not want this guy's pajamas or his um cover for that matter. My parents said just dispose of it. And in the police station they threw I'm not saying I'm proud of this but they threw out all his stuff. The bottom line is I'm home with my mother. My father's away and a knock on the door and the gand of showed up to my parents house. I was home. My mother, my older, my little brother was upstairs. The gandam knocks. My mother said, "Danielle, go to the study. You could see the door and get ready to call 911." She was scared for her life. We first didn't open. He was banging away. My mother opened for him and he said, "I want my stuff back. My stuff was in your van." So my mother said, "I don't know where your stuff is." She was I don't think the place to be honest that it was thrown out. My brother I'm in the living room. I'm in the my father's study like ready to call 911. They used to have these phones attached to the walls. Nobody had cell phones then. But >> how old was >> about 13 14. And my brother was six or seven. And my brother six you CAN'T GET AWAY. IT'S GREAT STUFF. GREAT STUFF. YOU CAN'T GET AWAY. You can't get away. If we thought today's sh If we thought today's share was getting there like I DON'T How did this happen? I made like I had I went in saying don't say six or seven. Oh gosh, this guy owns us all. He owns us all. It's It's difficult. >> Danelli owns us, this guy. Okay, the bottom line is my brother was seven or eight and he he Oh gosh. The kiter is the kitzer is that my brother runs down from upstairs and he says I know where his stuff is. He's saving the day and my brother says I know it was thrown out like he was telling the guy his stuff is thrown out and my mother was scared stiff to tell the guy. I literally dropped the phone run all out at my brother just grab him and pick him up like I just my brother's name is Misho. which is a meid of emis and he just was trying to express that he knew where the stuff is. He was an innocent little he was an innocent young kid who was telling the guy but I had we had to make sure that he doesn't tell the guy that it was thrown out there that wasn't but that picture of a youngster who doesn't know who's just honest like that's not he's it's not his thing like to know as we gain life experience like we have cases you can't say that and we become an expert at it. Mikall says that Yakov is not in the world did not did not work on this. Now there's a place to work by the way there is a space it makes things in a way I love this because there is a space for for ram there's a space to learn when you deal in the world you don't say everything you're thinking it's not always and there sometimes you just can't not mean lack of intelligent I don't know again bothers me is not what he did he didn't not being out there you can afford piv is here is here as out there in the picture of somebody who's the idea even the way we're learning that he's forced for his father and there's a reason and life like forces you and there are times you remove from that Jacob was that in its purest form he never like not being out there he didn't have to do all these things perhaps perhaps I do but again But maybe the is not from lack of intelligent he just didn't deal in the world. He was ishim and as such he was able to be in touch with meas just it was not something that he was busy with and we unfortunately we become experts to the point that we have to working and what what do I hold we have to like it's funny that all of us being so being so well trained you talk about a little kid I think about that picture of my little brother seven or eight trying to like just say the truth he didn't look like he just learned what I know where it And that's what was belieiv. We like life sort of trains us sometimes that there's a time don't say what's in your heart. Don't say everything that >> is h ish >> I hear I hear that question. Fear fear. What does it meanh? But m is describing a person who didn't engage in that. That's not what he did. It's not what he did. He's an isham. He's kibbo came piv and he did the maybe allowed for that and as was out there maybe there's a degree you learn maybe there's a degree you learn that you learn it's not always what you're thinking interesting maybe maybe says perhaps >> it's true >> what >> I think >> it does it does it might be true what do you say maybe maybe there's a like We get so good at this and then we have to like work and I'm not ripping us. I'm not ripping us. We live in the world and we have to tell the guy whose van I don't know. Okay. That wasn't what was in your heart. >> Right. I'm not ripping it. Right. >> But we have all these times >> he's saying he was in Yoshivan. That wasn't his role. Remember Yakovinu's role wasn't that it wasn't his role. It's funny that's what Arya points out life. It's funny if you Schlommo and Rei and Ary pointed this out. Somebody else said this before his life journey brings this out. He becomes all of a sudden to as he's forced to like to but there's aim just and certainly his typical role was the who doesn't have to engage like that now in life said he was by love which it says it says about you want to be a rama I'll be able to like to find this but that wasn't what He was his typical wasib that's I'm just trying to get I'm not like I don't care the I I want to know what is saying but the rash is saying maybe >> that's everyone's we're all born like that everyone and then over time >> but it could be he's in not engaging in the world he's able to be present to that >> he was sitting on learning as was the one who was out there was when you're reveal there what could be very very strong is pivos what's there is in your mouth that's it you're not when you're engaged in the world unfortun Right. Right. Right. >> Right. It's not the way we're doing. It's not the Yeah. You see people who are so easily could like do things so easily could say this and say that because we have to make sure it's not easy. It's not like an easy thing. You know, we have to do it. But let's you know I wanted to I want to say here this rashi is something I want to learn the mid of kib piv and I'm happy I'm happy to like her on this rashi along the way of working on this I feel just studying kib piv is very enticing there's something extremely beautiful about it and certainly to be in touch what's the le what what's inside what's inside to get in touch with that what do you hold what do you really feel about things in learning ter is a place that I want to beg everybody and remember is I think in learning you're at your best space really get in touch what your tells you real what's your saying learning is a very good space like that some people say maybe you could say people in shum oh maybe you could say don't say maybe you could say is what do you hold what's bibly what's in your heart read the rashi read It could it's it's instructive and then you say where you are >> where are people getting their ideas from >> there all different motives and other types of things and interaction sometimes I learn what pleases other people I learn what avert like the rebby likes sometimes I say things other people like if I'm coming from inside what it looks like to me is very powerful and here is attached here very powerful very and our we have good things in the le remember the deepest has sung to us many times it says the le says cool things when we're when we're in sync with the le when we when we are piv is disconnected I could say this do that that's okay was a big mad this is certainly it's something all of us aspire to there's one there's a unity in what goes on in our in speeches by the way if you want to speak well about your and say what you think. It's very powerful. You'll find as a what should I say? Say what you think about like what's the my think just go on a walk. What do I when I'm alone? It comes out very powerful when you express the place that's in the lathe in learning terra your power in saying different what you hold what you what you're what's inside and you could you bring it to the outside. It's very very powerful. I had a conversation last night with an old waterberry guy who's married with children and he's somebody who's like a mitas of of of kilib piv. I was describing to him how like I get inspired conversations with him. He really gives and he's very measured with his words to make sure he's measuring where he's at is what if you meet Yanke. It's funny his name's Yanke. These things are not a coincidence. If I would say many things on Yakov Koko, I would say what's here comes out. What's here comes out. Again, nobody's perfect. We're not You don't want to lie when you're talking about pivess, but there's that that it's a very powerful when we could be is very very very powerful. It's it's a force when when like that that statement. Could we memorize that statement, Rafi? Say that raph words that emanate from the heart >> enter the heart. Words that emanate from the heart. There's no real kazal are you that say that >> I could hear that there and mish I found that cannot say this without those words is what what's in our heart will be reflected yeah pretty similar One more time. part of part of the the me of MS of of Yakovu. So we just today we studied one aspect of the MS of Yakov and one aspect of the MS of Yakov is what comes out of here is connected to the heart. That's an aspect of the emiss of Yakov. Another aspect of the MS of Yakov is the balance between Ava and Yer. is hashem is love of hashem is the that represents and is called another ms is this perfect mixture of ava and yera of love and fear that that both go together ava and yera together will speak about I want to at some point like delve into what a sashem is what yerasem is and what this blend this emis of ava and together in general a sashm is associated with mitzvah sass with the positive commands of doing in general is ava the not doing leases are associated with and in yiddeshkite learning to blend the ava with the is a big thing shabas kesh which is a schlamus another name for shabas is shalom is a schlamus This is a completion and shabas and yaku have a big it says whoever is shabas is to the and shabas has sh and sh is the of kdes is the of kdes and sh is what you don't do and they're supposed to be blended I do want to talk about what I'm not going to do it now we're talking about the ms of yakov part The emiss of Jacob is this blend of ava and yera perfectly blended. I want to talk what that looks like for us the children of what that looks the blend of ava and yera in relationships. We're a generation very moved by ava by love and doing things with and passion the overflow of ava yer certain boundaries that are needed in relationships. I was talking to I was talking to somebody you know people who have ava in a marriage what it looks like and don't have ya and the relationships and they're not boundary in the relationship what that looks like I'm still working on the sugara that were introduced to yakinu who's a blend of aer but I'm not I'm not ready yet to discuss it I just in speaking about ms of yakov I want to get to that place of the ems of yakov the blend of a and the two things working together. But this that we're all capable of being this tim says about tumas is known as timos. We have this timos of clus and it's a beautiful space to be in of kib piv is kibbe kibbe came piv where his heart is there his mouth is what's inside is what he's expressing. So just to study that madrega to think about that madrega to try to move towards that madrega is something that I want to start with. Yeah. I want to study. I I said over on Thursday night guys have kumshim. So I want to show you the opturv inside. guys can open their and I could read to you the >> I said it on Thursday night but the with the guys there p on what page is on I have a different than you it's what page is that guys >> I just don't have the page he's opening up let me show you this pull over a chair next to me >> the says look at this everybody look at loves as there have been trickery in his mouth. Say is to ins snare to trap his mouth in snared. Rashi says that loves as for as had ins snaredu. As had trapped says brings a tricked. So is what did that's a rational he was a trickster and he fooled his father. The ay is the ayl was the apt. The says a different shot in Yehuda. The aptar says that loves as because there was trick not trickery ins snare in his mouth means snared god as you heard this he says doesn't mean that as tricked trapped it means trapped hashem what does that mean explains the oper says I love he's my son there ins snare in his mouth he's trapped there's the following principle that Hashem mirrors us it says our shadow you show a finger he shows a finger two too we Hashem mirrors us there's a very simple reason we have a piece of God inside of ourselves an isma When we express the nishama, Hashem like backs it up. When we have an expression of the nishama inside of us, Hashem backs it up. By the way, prayer is wild. Prayer is wild. Prayer, you tell Hashem at a Ellie, prayer is insane. You tell Hashem, I think you should be nice to him. Shem like knows everything. Hashem wants prayer. He wants an expression of our and he backs it up. He He wants us He wants me to bring to the world. I see somebody in pain. Azreel is a very sensitive soul. Azreel sees somebody in pain. This is Hashem. I I this shouldn't be this way. Hashem wants you to bring that to the world. And you're you're get you're literally Did you ever did anybody ever send a text to themsel like like message to self? It's feel like an alarm on your phone or a reminder on your phone. is giving to Hashem you're an expression of your nish the deepest will and you're expressing something that Hashem once brought to the world. Hashem wants your sensitivity. He wants your nish. You're really you're bringing godliness to this world. He sent you here to express it. When a sees Hashem says don't destroy them I was waiting for me to say that was a piece of Hashem being expressed in this world. says the oper loves as traps hashem kav what's saying in loving as he's my son I don't care about his behavior I'm not he brings such as a good boy a bad boy he's he's my son that was an ins snarement to hashem that in some way brings a ru to the world where your children hashem for us Does he say in respect that causes Hashem to have more where your children go? M there's a very good story that I want to say over David had a son called Shalom. Abshalam was a very complicated son very a wayward son who was not a David. Now there's a place near called Yadav Shalom. What's the theory? What's yav shalom initi? Could somebody look on their phone? Yav shalom. What's what's the claim? Is there check it up? You check it up. Lead shalom. >> Shalom. In Hebrew, >> English or Hebrew, a large ancient monument in Jerusalem. Uh, it's a rock. >> And what? It's just a memory of him. What's the claim? >> It's a tomb. >> It's a tomb. Claim he's buried there. There's a place Yadav Shalom, a big rack. He has a picture of it. See it? Show it to Azrael. Yad Shalom is a place in the Kiddan Valley where the claim is Abalum was buried there. Does any Jew go davon was a Russia? We don't go to Kashm. Most people do not pray there. It's not like a big place of prayer son who a wayward son who went off today was a Russian. Now most people do not play pray in yalom. The great rashiva of the my father's he went to pray in y shalom. Now went there to pray. >> He's not buried there by the way. >> What is the claim? >> It's just it's called that. It's not buried there. >> It's just >> it's called the tomb of Abalam. >> It's called really was killed in >> I don't think so. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. You know was caught more I believe on multiple occasions going to pray there. Somebody asked where do you go? We don't go to Rash. You got to give a bad person at this point. >> Yeah, boy. You going to pray though? Usually go toemad. He said to Hashem that this son was a rush and David loved him anyway. There took him out of and he said ben eight times like lifting him up. My son, my son, my son. went to Abalam's kebab and he said to the this father of this child he wasn't like the dream child and his father loved him were your children mish >> he's not a Russia I forgot which one said by Here we find sadik in here. >> Yeah, >> it's not show. >> It's a mix though. It's a mix. >> I only find I don't find I don't I I don't look at why that's we're all like in the journey working. But the kiter is the kiter is he would go to he he went on a couple of occasions it seems to have shalom's shalom and he said a father loves his son. and he would be from we're your children we're your children and that's how the learned this I don't think the is like the reason he loved him so I don't know how he reads it exact is not always because but what comes out is there's an instment there's a it's a greatest feel of his life it's a very profound feel of loving this son. This is my child. Whenever we could find that space, this is my son. I'm sorry. >> That's true. It's true. Very good. Yeah. Yeah. He's what we're Yeah. He's the one who brings this out. Exactly. Says that is going to bring us out of the gist. >> But the he loved Asab and and and his love of Asab is we're your children. different >> as tricked him according to the rub. That's not what it's saying. Nothing to do with as tricking him. It's this is my son and he was ens snaring. Snaring means Hashem imitates us. He was bringing a prayer. It's a prayer and snaring just means he bought out. >> What was the purpose of what was the purpose of the word? >> Expressing the power of that was a tremendous power. sense of it applied to Asd. He was literally ens snaring >> originally. It was that As was back after learns is snaring >> trapper he was actually trapped animal but no the way Rashi is learned Rashi doesn't know anything trapping he learns he was a trapper with the mouth which Rashi says he was hard to use the word trap if you're not going to apply it to the >> trap snaring and snaring means to like capture right to capture he was capturing that's what it means that there was a force of hashem. That's how the is reading this. >> The way we bring such a force to the world that's what prayer is is you bring your nishama to the world and you express that. So brought a certain thing to the world. That's my child that mitas and that hashem you bring that to the world that that a ch a parent loves their child. Hashem wants us to Yeah. Yeah. Hashem backs us. What we bring that's what we bring. Hashem backs up. >> Is what you're saying like it's funny that like reminding that he >> according to this it's not a reminder. Hashem wants human being. He gives us an says bring it to the world. I want the expression. I'll back up what Yinishama brings here. >> It's funny like the story like it's like a message but like at the end of the day like the way that I take it it's like oh he's doubting by Russia's caver that like oh we're your children. It's like we suck but like why is it like a weird message that he's giving why is he ding in a rush? I think that was toim that was the same thing wants to bring to the world this mitas going there reminded him a child's a child's a child and that's what he wants to bring that that's all of prayer is bringing something to this world so that was learned going there brought out a child's a child's a child that was this I like I have this schlom I have this pet thing I love seeing Who was the most hated man in America in the last 20 years bar none? >> The most hated American in the last 20 years. >> I think Maidolf. That's my personal opinion. You said his name to people. I think he was the most hated. Is that fair to say yet? >> Epste. >> He's up there. He's He might be Epstein. He said he's quite he's he's a hated figure. >> I have no idea. Epste is a child of God as well. His last name >> I like I like maybe >> but um >> Maid Off Maid Off was a very hated guy. Well people were upset people will live it out but I I love seeing in a trial if you have the bad guy in a trial. So in the victim's corner like the gallery at the trial is like packed. Everybody's there. the bad guy everybody disassociates with. You're out. You're like far next to every bad guy. You could look this up. You could see pictures. You'll you'll rarely find a father. You'll rarely find brothers. There's usually a mother next to the bad guy. And it's like brutally embarrassing. You're on the wrong side of the gallery. There's one side that has friends and supporters and the community all come out in force representing the victim. For the bad guy, everybody's out. There's usually a mother is like stays in the corner. It's it's like disgraceful. That's a my son like it's like the wor but but a mother is a mother. That's my child. That's my child. And there's a mother who like stands. I'm not abandoning him. She holds his hand. It's a loyalty that's very very beautiful to me is there's my child. I'm not I'm not writing him off and I know it's not popular now. I know this won't make me look good. I'm not on the right side. There's my child there. Once in a while you get the opportunity to like demonstrate that loyalty. I've already gotten a call about from somebody was like very upset at a bach and at first you like the tendency is to melt away. Oh, look. We're not so close. I don't It's a cool loyalty when all the chips are down. That's my friend. That's my brother. This that's my child. That's what the after is saying. And he's bringing a beautiful light to the world is my child. A parent stays with his child. >> Maybe it is. That's my child. >> No, it should be you hate the action. You could love the person but hate the action. >> But there's a big light. There's a there's a big light to the world. I'm not totally agreeing to the actions. There's a big light to the world. That's my child. You bring that light to the world that arouses. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Exactly. It's amazing. It's amazing. Is it just said that I could hear it saying it says >> it's interesting the contrast the contrast of rap that it doesn't say a reason by Rifka's love Rifka's love's understood Rifka loves Jacob Kimuan like why didn't he get rid of it for you don't get rid of that that snares because like it's saying that was it was fake there was nothing to it was just it was >> according to this according to the is why you work on that stop loving him >> the answer is there's a there's a you're bringing to the world that's told I love that. >> Did you know that that was from Russia? >> According to this rub, >> it's not so evident. >> According to the app to rub. >> I guess it wasn't blindly. You can condemn the actions but like the person. >> Okay. >> So, so when was trapping Hashem, he was pretty much saying that as bad as my son will get is still my son. >> Yes. >> And that's what it means trapping. >> Yes. >> Of course. Hashem wants. >> Yeah. Yeah. Of course. So that's why it's just a cycle for no reason. >> Because Hashem wants an expression. You all aren't. Hashem wants an expression. >> But you're not trapping. That's Hashem telling you to do something. Then you do it and then you're like, "Oh, now you have to do this." This is Hashem's your shadow. You show a finger reflect. >> You're his shadow. You're doing what he told you. >> Inevitable. That's what we are not. Sure. >> There are times for Levit went to caver even he's in Russia. His father is still to love him. That that brought out something to which brought out he was bringing out this this Okay, we'll stop here. Thank you. >> Remy, you have one more confused earlier. >> Rebby, why did he go to >> my question is on the first should be better. >> You want to share today? >> Should I tell you today? That's it. I have to I may have to go in the airport like an hour earlier >> trying to learn tomorrow. >> Oh, Rabbi Rabbi Epstein was fully Jewish. >> Yeah. >> He grew up in a fully Jewish gated community. >> Who this >> Epstein? Both his parents are Jewish as well. >> Where where you grew up? >> Coney Island, I think it says. gated. No, me and C probably gated. >> I don't know. See Gon like somebody not that surprised and then you open up a little bit. >> Yeah. Seate at the tip of the >> See, you see was bringing out to that even he's a child of God. >> Look who's worse. Who's worm or Epstein? >> I don't know the whole story. I know he did not nice things. I don't have the whole story. >> Sounds like a bad guy. >> I don't think anyone has the story alive. He killed himself. >> He was killed. >> He was killed or he killed. >> They say they're releasing it now. >> They're releasing everything now. >> Yeah, that's what they say. Officially he committed. >> Yo, if if they put him in in he knew a lot of information on a lot of people miss >> he was on suicide watch. >> What say the Clintons >> officially? He killed himself. Did he actually who was president when he was in jail? >> Who was president? >> I think Obama. >> Obama. >> But the Clintons were famous like for being there a lot. >> Revy. Rabbi, you have me more confused than earlier about uh the Rashi. >> Um if if if we're relating him to our own life trouble, >> we're relating him to our own life. >> Not when he died, when he was in jail, >> Trump >> and we're all and we're all more towards Israel. >> It was Trump. >> Yeah. Then >> 2019