#4: Behind the Bima - Special Guest: Michael Goldsmith

we are okay welcome everyone it's great to have you here I'm not by a fan goldberg doing better with my esteemed colleagues and closest friends masa coats and rabbi Josh Brodie welcome back to our newly named behind the Bema it is great to have you before we even begin let me take a moment to remind everyone to count to your own merit consider this your reminder tonight we counted I won't test our other panelists today we counted 14 we are two weeks in I won't ask our other panelists if their stall on the count I'm sure and I'm confident that they are but those who have not yet counted we are on this seven week Trek to self-improvement 49 rungs on the ladder we're counting and going up collectively and together and tonight is number 14 so that is all number one point number two rabbis Moskowitz and Brodie I am a little frazzled again because this morning this morning am i living with a muna shear we were bombed yet again just a day after even mashallah Day commemorating worst of anti-semitism I was about to launch my shear and an anti-semite to the screenshare I know and I've learned disabled screen-sharing I saw swastikas I was really mustard I quickly took away that option from him and I looked through the pictures and saw things that I will not describe but that have no click to this year or even anywhere else for that matter we ended the meeting we reconvened we're able to have the sheer yet again light defeated darkness good over bed toner over those who try to extinguish it however we've learned so why am I telling you all this not so you have sympathy for me I'm telling it to you because tonight in the chat only the panelists can see the chat you should not be able to see the chat and the questions and answers as well only the panelists can see if you can see them I don't know what I'm doing but I hope that you can't see them on Facebook if you're watching you can have a discussion with in the comments so that we can't control but we haven't been bombed yet in the comments I'll stuff pedals at them okay that was number two quickly number three so we begin with my hi I'm we're in a period of darkness and we suffered a lot of loss and it's hit us personally I think I spoke last time about my my cousin when we lost we certainly have in mind other dear loved ones Toby somebody who came to our community regularly and was in charge of an amazing project in Israel these mailboxes that people donated their food and it's a great loss the show should have been a leave he was just what months ago February 29th he was a PR a DRS it's really a great loss judge laughter you're a great friend to our community and the extraordinary individual we learnt so much about Dava about advocacy about leadership in the Jewish people I'm just this evening we lost a dear friend member of our community I will send out the the notice short who and the information is public so then we drink of a high him and to take a moment to say to life and needs to be grateful for the blessings in their life and to celebrate the moments in their life and to come together with friends to be able to unplug in an unscripted way and so we say look honey but if I die tonight when I'm out for long body pre - now just one comment I'll hand it off to to you is each of the week that we've held this wonderful union not sure that anyone else was coming there's been a warming alcohol we're not promoting alcohol we believe in moderation we are incredibly supportive to those who struggle with alcohol issues but but on the other hand with in moderation and responsibly we believe it's it's okay to be an adult at 9 p.m. and you have a a glass of wine so we certainly don't call condone alcoholism the abuse of alcohol inappropriate ages inappropriate context but we also think that one can model for their children the appropriate context with moderation so again for that we say hi okay gentlemen welcome what would you like to talk about tonight anything on your minds in particular I'm curious sourly Brody you have gone on how many March the livings in a row is there a roadie with us bernetta near us now by Brodey there I think Brody put like this is like weekend at Brody's and he put a dummy of himself they're gonna we're gonna come back to rob a Bruin let's start with it are by Moskowitz Robin Mouse let's first of all I've been informed that we maxed out on soom I'm so I feel I would announce to the people on Zoom to go to Facebook but if we've maxed out they're not hearing me so we have to figure out how in the future we can be responsive or a listenership who clearly the numbers are only rising or sponsors listen carefully our sponsorship and product placement let's start with you around my mosque was this was supposed to be a very big week in the Moscow its life in the mosque woodsfamily I thought about actually surprising you and being there on the sidelines to be able to root and cheer you on and I wasn't there and of course you're not there tell us about your feeling you were training to run this Boston Marathon a major statement of your triumph over a channel view you weren't able to but I know you've been keeping up that that's what your family do for you this battle week yes so Monday is Massachusetts to Nash it's a state holiday Patriots day my earliest childhood memories my house is right at the bath the 20 mile marker of the Boston Marathon right at the foot of Heartbreak Hill and every Patriots day we'd all go out and it was great because no one was at work as a child mean left school and so everyone was out there everyone was having a good time and you really got to spend time with any so um you know as a big deal for me growing up and as you said this year on Rosh Hashanah and my drush I announced that I was invited to come and run the Boston Marathon this year April twentieth 2020 I spend six months training log toklas hundred miles in some really beautiful weather and some really nasty weather really crazy hours and then you're actually with me at eight and we found out the Boston Marathon was going to cancel I won't tell people how you reacted when you found that out but remember they're Creole what I do I imagine only with empathy but it was a big deal and you know obviously in the context of what's going on at coronavirus it's really nothing with what everyone's going through a blip on the map I think of all the bar mitzvahs that spent a year practicing for their bar mitzvahs and didn't have the opportunity all the families so many other so I'm not you know overdramatizing how big of a deal this was for us but um certainly don't um - oh God before you tell us before you tell us where your children did for you public service announcement thank you the one who gave me the idea if you have facebook and you're on zoom' you would be very kind leave zoom and go watch on Facebook so they're trying to get in can get into the zoom I know our special guests and family members are gonna try to be watching so if you also have Facebook kids oh come we won't tell anybody but if you also have Facebook please go watch on Facebook leaving some openings here on Zoom but back to your up in Moscow so your kids obviously felt very bad they knew that datum there was mark they watched you Trina their father was absentee parts of this year as he was I went on the road racking up the mile from his speaker but what did they do to try make you feel better on that there was great I didn't did I obviously know any of it but I came home from work on Monday and it was a big sign on our door that was each of my children wrote a special note the sign said our daddy's always a winner and each one in their own appropriate age wise way wrote me a little note about how inspired they were by my training by my desire to raise money to do my little part to help with research etc so I was really moving the actually put a finish line on the door to make me feel like I was at the Boston Marathon and then they invited me to come and run with them which was really special we did a symbolic run around the circle and a few families either were happening to drive by or caught wind of the fact that I was heading out for a run and as we were coming around the circle people were driving by in their cars and they were honking and they were showing signs out the window so it was really nice it was really emotional you know it was nice to feel the love for my family you deserve all that and more it's really it's a big accomplishment and even though you didn't complete it but bottom line is we have to be Mustafa masha'Allah my so the intent and the training it's as if you didn't please God I don't have the opportunity and we'll be there to cheer you on to celebrate with you for those asking facebook.com slash Efrem Goldberg facebook.com slash Efrem Goldberg again people are talking on the facebook that sounds like a my facebook people are on Facebook so if you can help that would be greatly appreciated we appreciate your your help with that know by moskowitz more snow on Boston before we go over to I Brody while I'm Boston any thoughts on the big rock enhancement Wow yeah I'm done with sports I don't know why anyone invest themselves emotionally in sports teams and sports athletes so at least the time it's bitl torah it's Mitchell's my on nobody palace for example I mean no one should follow Boston sports senator again I completely agree bye bye Brody we are are you I'm good our specially and first of all welcome back thank you for being with us I was let me tell you I know what you're drinking but you know you've got some some some aged rum you know you're done the back of the cabinet in moderation everything in moderation everything in moderation I'm celebrate life what I want to ask you about mermaid mosque what started to ask you about the march of living we'll come back to it because our special guest is gonna join us I think any minute but drink in this time we're talking about what we're grateful for what are what are you grateful for even within this space what are we grateful for what are you drinking tell you right now something something happened in the last two days which I never could have imagined you know when you guys are in your Shiva I rabbi Goldberg back a father 1992 I'm getting when you were in that case why Rabi mosque was clock 2015 20 rate and so all you know we all that we remember and remember some good guys remembers you just lost touch with so he said you know why don't we just and reunite the group for the first time in almost 30 years so we put together last two days we track down everyone almost we have almost 50 guys that we had a shared this afternoon shave oh what a shame this is near Jake what are the what is the old name what is the full name of nurture tell everybody the full name and this is uh it's amazing place near Yaakov they're not around than you were how many guys near Jay that was amazing well you know we was the school it was a yeshiva guys that didn't always like to you know go with go with the flow let's just say so you know you you see a name you maybe want to change things up a little bit I gotcha amazing okay our special guests have joined us it's incredibly exciting in a very emotional moment try to figure out the pictures car through a little bit like the 70s it's like disco fever here is Michael when Alana thank you so much for being with us can you see and hear us give it one second just one minute this is a funky viewer I gotta tell you what AM what am i drinking here yeah okay relax relax everybody relax Wow Wow while you're adjusting the settings let me welcome you and a word of introduction we're good okay Michael you know me yes amazing um Michael is my wife you have its first cousin Michael and a lot of Goldsmith and Michael made sure this you tour the panelists Sarah Ben Moskowitz everybody are colleagues of mine at BRS dear friends of mine all of us have followed your story to say that we followed your story closely is an understatement of the century we've Davenant incessantly had you in our thoughts and arts fellows try to open every channel of advocacy that we could and what we did of course is nothing and been nothing it is a drop in the in the ocean of the world of what the world the Jewish world was turned upside down advocating for you and no one more than your incredible Asia style than your wife a lot of who I think just came back in yes God she's got another computer here oh there we go okay look at that she's tech-savvy - she can do it all there we go okay a much better view a much of you like what what a sight for sore eyes to see you and sitting up and breathing and healthy and it really thugs in the heartstrings and thank you so much coming on tonight so I know Michael a long time growing up in New Jersey Michael's from Fair Lawn his parents are uncle Lenny and ASD and as I said he's the first cousin of my wife your parents of course we have that that connection but Michael story really went went viral not because that's what he wanted to Ramana wanted for him there modest humble people but you'll tell us more about your story right now but you know Michael got coronavirus Cove in 19 and his situation terior rated to the point that he was on a on a ventilator for three weeks and there were efforts to get an experimental drug ultimately they didn't pan out but there were other benefits I'm gonna let you tell us a little bit about it so as somebody as somebody wrote online when I posted you'd be joining us the truth is Michael you don't know your story not nearly as well as Obama or many others because while you went through of course the worst of it you were asleep for most of it so Alana tell us you know walk us through the miracle sitting next to you and for those who doubt there's a god or don't believe in miracles and they're men you are suffering and miracles did not happen but if you have doubts if you have questions if you're watching the screen right now you are looking at a living absolute living miracle tell him exactly everything that I don't even know what happened there were so many people from our local and global Jewish community where we are today while I believe that doctors did everything they could to help them I really believe that the power of the Arts helped us get to this point so thank you for that um so Michael started feeling sick right after Purim he started feeling weak and he had a fever and cough and it was just at the beginning when people around Bergen County were kinda getting the sense that maybe this could happen like very close to home he went into the hospital he was tested for the corona virus and he came home on Sunday March 15th he tested positive afterwards and was told to write it out at home given his age they didn't think that it would be anything major and he's just writing out at home so while we were home teaching homeschooling everything Michael just wasn't really getting better and she went back to the hospital that Wednesday night after our doctor dr. Jerome Kass had an ingenious idea to find the pulse ometer which luckily we had because our son is as Matic and when we'd tested his pulse ox it was pretty low so we brought him back to the hospital and he was intubated two days later Michael's on a ventilator for 22 days we like to call it a long shot a long shot snap yeah that's what me he's never getting a nap again but he was on his very long shops nap and during that time the world's was falling apart and I had many many people help me get to a point where I could be in quarantine with our children get ready for pace off a big tribute to you rabbi Goldberg for helping to get ready for Pesach I've never done that before solo so that was pretty crazy and um thank God right after the first days of passage on April 11th Michael got extubated it took him a few days about a week to feel good enough to come home and he came home on Sunday absolutely amazing doctor drunk cats have only simcoe's fame and maybe that's a school of that everything he talked just please God should bring only Simba's he deserves a lot of credit and I know that you told me I wanna maybe collaborate also the medical personnel at the hospital who were so kind and enabled you and first could to be able to FaceTime and kept in touch and came up with over yuktah for what the plan would be how you'd be in for the medical people were amazing right yeah they were really weren't credible especially because family is let's go in to the hospitals to see their loved ones having that distance was very challenging very frightening and the medical staff the nurses the technicians the patients experienced workers everyone really tried to help the families get in touch with their loved ones so they would allow me to talk to Michael on speakerphone even though he couldn't respond to me I could talk to him his doctors let me send video messages of the kids and myself to Michael they would play it for him and when he was extubated I got to really talk to him on a daily basis which is really nice absolutely incredible they really are our hero and we continue to express our or for those medical personnel Michael I know that you're a little bit sore that'll happen from a 21-day Shaba snap with a tube down your throat so I don't want to I don't want to push you too hard but to degree that you can and it's and it's comfortable tell us what you remember as you began to deteriorate and do you do you even remember when you got to the point that they were sedating you and then on the other end what were your first thoughts to the degree that you can remember them and when you came out of that sedation and when you learned that that things please God we're gonna be okay and and when you're able to be reintroduced to your family so I remember before being intubated they had me talk to Alana and tell her what was going on that they were going to put me in a coma and intubate I remember telling Alanna that I really didn't want to do it and she said you have to do it because the doctors are telling you to and I remember telling her I'll see her in a few days not knowing it was gonna be three weeks Wow and in terms of what I remember when I first woke up I don't know there was a whole like dreamscape that happened when you're when you're I guess in a coma like that but I do remember certain things about what the nurses held up to my ear from the phone like the one specific thing I remember was that my son lost a tooth and really badly wanted to let me know so there are certain things that that come across and others that really really I thought that I was asleep for two years not three weeks when I first got so it's a it's a totally different ballgame like a honey molecule story to wake up and find out what was happening in the world all that time while you were asleep I'll tell you one of the things that was happening in the world is that your wife did not risk she was absolutely incredible and if I ever anything on my side she'd be on my speed dial list because she was fighting for you I don't know how she did it but she got you on Fox News International News and she was knocking on the door the CEO of Gilead trying to demand medication and she's literally turning over over countries and companies and it was it was incredible she obviously deserves a lot of credit so a lot of tell us what what kept you going during this I know we had some conversations and and and going into Pesach even you stayed focused on what you were grateful for even in moments where you're very scared about what could be maybe both of you could talk to us about emunah and the role of Hashem Michael I'll tell you as I was diving with you every day I literally pictured OPA Michael's grandfather you have its grandfather our oppa who was up there telling Hashem is Barack not my boy not my boy Hashem is Barra it's not his I'm not my boy and there's no question but Ilana was doing down here and opal was fighting up there together with of course other wonderful people in your but talk to us about the role of immuno ash n being able to get through an episode like this yeah so during this time when Michael was intubated I really felt like I was living minute by minute but I would wake up every morning and just start my day with thinking about all the really positive things that are in my life right now that really helped me develop like a strong sense man who not to start the day with and then things would change throughout the day but I really tried to really focus my mind on the positive or holding off the positive things I have at the moment or what I could be doing next to help Michael in his fight so if it was sending out an email or speaking to a family member or getting my kids ready for their zoom on school I was just trying to focus on like the next positive thing I didn't really want to dwell on anything really negative I was worried that would really set off a bad trend so I really tried to stay positive and I also did what you did and I and a lot of other relatives and I would just say send him back amazing just so you know for those who are watching our oppa was larger than life literally physically larger than life he was a very man of tall stature and he had an enormous personality and he himself had lost his whole family and he himself was a survivor and he built a beautiful family and legacy that he left and he bought the behind tomorrow him OMA who I know knew what was going on but was being protected from knowing how much what was going on and no question that he and the others were fighting for you Michael when you reflect on it in terms of your relationships but I chemin and an appreciation how it impacts your emunah your faith with him what thoughts do you have for us so this morning was the second morning in a row that I was finally I finally had the strength to put on fillin I don't yet have the full upper-body strength to really put on the tallest I can't lift my right arm up over my head I still need some help you know getting dressed in the morning but I make it my business at least right so before all of this happened I would go to minyan as often as I could usually to two times a day showers and my dominica but I missed so much time that even though I feel weak I want to make sure I still put on my tits fill in in the morning and say thank you for giving me a second chance at life so my faith really comes from waking up than being extubated knowing that I have a second chance to to really make something of this so even though none of us are going to manana nowadays at the very least I can write so they send out emails 7:35 min ha zoom and while I'm not joining the zooms just because I'm not always you know presentable I know okay 7:35 min ha I'm gonna Dom middle at 7:35 at least be with the rest of the cahal and got in there so I want to say thanks as best can especially in these rough times and that's the only way I know how it's really amazing you know it really gives modani new meaning when you wake up and say Madonna you get grateful Am I just be awake just to be breathing just to be alive just have a new lease on life and another day Michael you're 34 years old you're in good health you are really one of the examples of how this virus does not discriminate as across the lines as easily as they describe it does so to be alive is a modani moment I'll tell you there are people fighting for you an advocate if you don't even know there's a very special member of our community who I know is connected to actually Donald Trump jr. and to Kathy Ireland and a certain influencers and I asked her to get involved and she did and you should know that there were people at high levels and celebrity status who were reaching out to Gillian who were fighting or were doing things and who continued to text regularly asking for updates on how you were doing I will just have a lighter note say I think was the New York Post had an article about your story and one of the comments on the bottom of the story was for a moment of humor from this said poor guy who was already a Jets fan would have been a real tragedy he's suffered enough being a Jets fan to rethink your sports teams they're so thankful that this had a positive outcome but we don't take it for granted and we know that there are so many many people in our local Jewish community or still fighting this are still having very serious situation so we're continuing if you have any questions yeah I'm just wondering is it is it you know when you see that there are so many people that unfortunately even right now we're still not taking this seriously what do you say to them I die mean I never thought this one happens to us we knew around perm time that this was getting we're hearing reports about people getting infected and I thought I was at school and I rushed her to the urgent care afterwards for him and the doctor asked me Cobin 19 looking her like no no I don't like why are you asking you such a bit and yet here we are and everyone and anyone busy well it's great to see both of you happy you're both here thank you a person way this is an exclusive interview we aren't you are the first time you're going out and talking about this you chose this show correct the whole Michael's your first time since your home to give it us the exclusive here I think we did that's right social shout-out to you - Academy I like that my alma mater Jersey all right I know the hours late when I know that you're going exhausted again I just want to tell you and I know I speak on behalf of my family and the Brooks teens to the Goldsmith everybody we couldn't be more excited to see you and to see how the updates who are getting we were the numbers on the ventilator so it's just amazing to think what feels like a short time later not from your perspective that here you are sitting together reuniting with your your beautiful family should have only good health you should have only knock us should have only cinema if you have a full speedy recovery get back all of your strength be putting on your palace and chillin by yourself and putting it on others and continue to inspires familiar stuff thank you so much for joining us tonight it's really great to see you yeah I mean you know you said it but that comment on Facebook they should they should host Alana because she was the one who really carried the burden but as she was talking I'll tell you that that's it's pretty amazing it's markula and it really shouldn't sue the best of our people the best of community people who reach out people who help out people who dive in for each other and when you see the community come together and rally like that it it's really something very special really the truth is it's really it's actually a good segue um it's a good segue to another topic which is what's happening next here in Boca we can't speak for around the world represent Boca and to a degree segment of its leadership and we are right now knee-deep and trying to figure out what's next when I say we you know the governor down to local official Ted died she was actually on the president's Task Force about reentry I don't think that's its official name we on our shoe level the Bemis level we're convening a task force and we're trying to using experts using medical experts using post Kim trying to figure out when I mean maybe you both can weigh in there's there's really a feeling of a Nancy people have kind of reached a point where they they feel like you know here it's relatively calm obviously we still remember in that in the hospital that we're we're very very much dieting for but for the most part it's relatively calm and people instead of realizing that all that we're doing is what's made it come and therefore it's a reason to keep doing it some are feeling maybe it's time to turn it around so what are both of your thoughts in terms of our task force what the timing should look like the feeling you're getting from people are they still behaving I remember - you just asked the Goldsmith's about given from their lesson how would they encourage people to to stick with the program what are you both seeing right now so we've spoken about it obviously I think people are personally from what I've seen I think people are I'm a little bit more relaxed around the school I see more families walking together with other families certainly on Chavez's I see teenagers walking together and families come a little bit closer and I agree with you I mean I think that's the million-dollar question you know I forwarded you guys today his article from the forward that many congregations across America are deeper people to do Rosh Hashanah virtually and obviously that works for certain denominations or Judaism beforethe doc to see that's not gonna be an option and and that's something that we have to think about very long and hard listen I hope it finishes quickly as someone who please God bad recession is gonna be making it so next year I really hope that resolves itself quickly but I would imagine again rubbing over I'm curious your thoughts on this I would imagine it's not gonna be like Open Sesame everyone comes in and and it's all back to normal I think there's gonna be a slow opening where first you're gonna start off with people outside and in manana move ten people with socially distanced and then even when we come back to show will in all likelihood scatter times and scatter locations and make sure that no matter how many many on them we have there's the possibility of having a socially distanced minions so that no one room is too crowded and to give people that flexibility so I do think that that eventually that opening will come but I do think it'll be a soft opening and it'll take a little while for people to feel comfortable enough back to scroll I think it's gonna be a long time before we're handshaking I think we're gonna be doing elbow bump for a long time well whoever shook the hand the rest in your life would you be okay well I'm a germophobe you know that about me I'm like a prl 35 times a day kind of guy so I'd be okay with it um you know I'll be honest with you every flu season my wife tells me when I leave the house on Shabbos morning she says please don't shake any hands there are elderly people in our community she's uh she sees the patients in her office and she says you're putting people at risk when you walk around with the Torah and you shake everyone's hands and obviously we try to be careful about about using Purell but yeah I think it's gonna be a wild before people feel comfortable with that level of physical contact and now that we're more conscious of germs and how they spread and the impact that the spreading has I do think if you take a little bit of time until we get back to what we call regular scheduled program I agree I'll tell you it's interesting I don't think I would miss the handshaking whatsoever I miss talking to people because I think that you really you know you connect with people not only in their moments of sorrow or their moments of great joy sometimes you see someone show they need a hug sometimes you need a hug sometimes you know there's just that moment so if I never shook a hand again I think I would survive but I would really miss not having the ability to connect with people by giving you yeah by giving a hug I want to just before we go to about Brody I mentioned one of our members in the hospital it's one of our safari members Steve gross everyone should have him in my chair she'll find Ben rifki Haleh vie continue to uh to davon for him you should have labor force leymah and a full and a full recovery I've been growing what he's saying the Federation world the Federation really out early and saying that their camp this is closed I think till watch study now so that debt so that Bailey sealed the deal for all the school right away schools weren't gonna finish which now leads a whole bunch of other questions your final exams how do they take these final exams graduations school trips were all cancelled now and they have a bigger how this is gonna work you also now just heard that to do again I don't know anything by the sporting world but I can tell you in the world where they have these you know concerts that travel across the country major steam tourist court they seem to have all been canceled right now so that takes you at least through the summer but you know even things start to open up Olli you know I went yesterday I had to go to the t-mobile store I had to go and I wanted to do shoot off for months already and the world we live in right now first of all go to the you know whether it's the t-mobile and you're standing in line with masks on and they say there's only two people allowed in the store and then you go to Jiffy Lube and in Jiffy Lube they don't get the car you drive over that you know that spitting words in the floor yeah these videos on YouTube where the car is a guy drives in and he falls through the middle it happens so you have to drive through then they tell you test your your blinkers then they tell you put the brake you're doing pretty much the whole thing I even know how to reset the odometer or whatever that no for the for the oil change the point discounted because because you pay me I put everything and then the guy he does oh we reckon you get an air filter change they show you the air filter the one that they show everyone it's black I can use like he's like you're repeating I'm like okay what is he said actually rad wait everybody hold on I've interrupt you I know it's tough times for everybody it's tough times for shools the Federation but we got to find in the Federation budget to improve your Wi-Fi we got away sighs ready from I'm gonna go wife life I'm gonna go on the uh I'm using two different wife fights Xfinity and then I switched to my regular Robbie Brody figures out his wife I it let's come back to the question scenario when you think about me a lot Boca ratone synagogue and how amazing I've heard me plan the main sanctuary is and the packed and people shoulder-to-shoulder screaming can you envision that happening this year can you envision that we're gonna be at a point where people are gonna be in that room and you're gonna be giving that to Russia in front of 1500 people it's a good question it's a good question first of all my brother who your neighbor something aside because maybe we could tech them now and get their Wi-Fi password well yeah Benji better now so just go on trips you know whatever yeah I'm good now I'm on I'm on day two now I'm not on the good all right listen seal spring for it will be okay we'll help ya can I imagine in the ELA where the show is not packed and shimmies not carrying us all the way up to the gates and and we're not making the walls rock I don't want to imagine it I'll tell you one of the things in it's interesting Congress conversation as leaders trying to strike that balance between on the one hand having an eye towards the future a tomorrow s I know a lot whose wides the person who's trying to anticipate future so our job is not to live now we have to be living tomorrow next week next month we have to be talking about what are the what are the lessons to be learned where the consequences are all these different things right on the other hand their job is to live today get to the end of today and not become too anxious or worried because of the future and that's a balance every day for us and a balance that we project to others is how do we both live in the moment and at the same time towards the future so your question I don't want to be looking towards that future I don't imagine it I think that we have enough runway that if we need to adjust work between the end of April and October September October we still have enough runway I'd rather not picture very well maybe I don't know it could be that one vaccine it could be antibody testing it could be not antibody testing but antibody treatment I know there's some really amazing company companies that are on the antibody treatments top-notch scientists so who knows what will be by the end of this summer I don't think our world will ever be the same again we've talked about great new and we should talk more about that in what ways will the world never be the same again but I hope that the most important parts about the world we know we'll be able to either get back exactly or recreate to get the most out of like you say a case of Annie but I agree with you our re-entry is not binary it's not that we're shut down one day and the next day we're back to normal there's going to be re-entry in stages and slowly and what it will look like and who will call the shots on it and we'll the biggest question is will people cooperate right the the kind of mentality going on on my twenty circle book kirtan synagogue community that we got a significantly large community not just us we talk our dear friends you know I'm a giver may join us a little bit next week told me he's right now got a competing program but we're gonna sink our schedule so that we can is a box for him right there so it's the greater community that were being lulled into this false sense of security but it's actually there was both of the positive behaviors that we're doing so is it time to let the guard down how does it work I got to walk around with we need masks gloves are really wearing them you know so when they go out and also this margin for error I mean when you and I when we were in your office and we were discussing closing the show down at the time it felt like dislike earth-shattering decision and it really was but it obviously retrospectives a no-brainer but you know if you get it wrong when you close down there wasn't a lot of downside right I mean we closed show which was obviously a big deal we were protected you do reopening in in a you know I don't envy your shoulders as the as the leader of the ship but reopening carries with it significant risks and it's it's nerve-racking I mean you know I've spoken about it but you know that's where the real reticence and there in the well I think what's gonna happen you're gonna end up getting the Federation you're gonna get 20-plus synagogues in our community you're gonna know schools because they're all done already so but you're gonna have everyone's basically I think we'll probably have a discussion and say now we're opening I don't think you're gonna have one and then another I'm not sure I'll tell you why because as I've been as when I'm asked what sir he alluded to right other denominator can continue to stream services that we just can't provide they're doing it now so you know that we're gonna need to react and respond differently first of all the significant and so the dailies not the same for every every synagogue and the options of Technology are not the same depending on the denomination obviously from a logic standpoint we you know we see it as but I appreciate the comment on the shoulders I'll tell you my shoulders feel lighter because I have you guys that we do think of the team so you know consensus and that's not responsibility but it's actually the opposite Marv Bates an opportunity for more combined wisdom the more we can get the decisions right we have rabbi dr. Shabtai on our staff and on our team we have great rabbis and colleagues and we have colleagues across the community and we try to get these things which really get them right but like I say the question is when you're open to a little will everyone walk at the pace we need them to go and slowly through the door or will it be like you know mad rush like Frankie and we like taking the soda bottle we're shaking it up there you gonna take the cap off people are so eager I know my kids they're like I can't take it I'm going out why can't I be with my friend in their backyard sitting 20 feet apart talking now I can't take it anymore - which I've told them you're welcome to go you just no longer have a place to sleep if you come back so make sure they're willing to take you and pay for your education and your world and so you know these are I just I just think I mean it you bring up kids and we have a community with lots of children for for the most part schools or not I mean that there's no question they're not opening it looks like most does colleges as well it can be closed through the summer it doesn't look like some any summer programs and the question is now is are going to be summer camps and summer you know day camps either the kids want to run out we can go back to work there's nowhere for the kids to go perhaps until September at the very least I'm actually kind of happy with the camps I think a lot of camps they must have had some secret conference call because they all put out an email the same day many of them did so it sounded like it was coordinated I'm kind of grateful as a parent and community leader that they didn't they didn't jump the gun and just say for sure it's not happening they will see so I don't know if they can't pull it off the questions uh parents gonna want to take that risk you know a parent's gonna say on the chance that there's one kid that in an environment like a summer camp is it worth it well what happens if you know I wonder maybe next week we'll bring you this show guest I got a few emails out to some major special guests invitations which if any of them come through that sponsorship just quadrupled for product placement so be in touch with us sponsorship and product placement but if not maybe we'll bring out a camp director a camp owner because luck to hear their thought process and this I wonder whether a camp being a closed controlled environment like what if every kid and staff member you know we're able to then take a test whether they had corona coming into camp take the temperature quarantine 14 days before camp I don't know are the parameters lock it down yeah take your temperature everyone gets swab before you get on the bus on the way up to camp and then I can't nobody comes on or off the can get this without because it's a closed controlled environment maybe it's even easier that you'd be able to pull something off now tom is everyone in our team and everyone have to be hygienic in these camps and takes away all the fun for the kids I know kids are gonna actually have to shower this summer all right I'll tell you even if the camps don't open I'm implore I beg son camp director do a virtual camp I'll pay if you tell me that you're gonna occupy my children from let's say nine to one every day where you'll do a little learning you'll do a fun game you'll do some trivia and you will occupy my children for a few hours a day on a computer I'm in I'm paying here's my wallet so even if it's the virtual camp I'd say even if physically kids can't go to camp I think there's there's a market of parents who will be craving some structure for their child's day I mean to think that our children won't have structure throughout the summer is uh unfathomable in many regards interesting all right let's move over to with a couple more topics I'm gonna try to keep it to an hour lightning round lightning round around it is because this one we're moving on over - yeah someone pointed out here kids flying for Florida corn for those forty days but I will say this most New York camps really could care less about the kids coming from Florida and I understand I just threw a bomb I just poured see yes no let me clarify what I mean ants are incredible and they love all of our children they love the children from Florida and from California Detroit Chicago Cleveland they love them all let me clarify and qualify what I meant before I get any hate I love all the way our Facebook viewership just jumped when you made that comment yeah it camps and my kids go to other camps they're all amazing here's what I mean by that is our kids have to in addition to paying the wonderful camp fee they got to pay for a flight nobody takes that into consideration nobody takes into consideration that those kids parents namely we have to fly in on visiting day 6:00 a.m. flight in rent a car drive to the mountains catch the last flight back my point is just and some of the scheduling and some of the finances some of the packing considerations and some of the the arrangements of I'm just saying the camps are amazing I take it back we're gonna bring someone on next week and put it on Facebook it's okay so don't quote me out of context here there is the camps are amazing and they're good to all of us there's a little bit of a tri-state focused mentality when designing and I'll give you a more example of it since I'm ruining my career anyway right now and and that is by the way some of the count Jewish counters in the New York area and I won't mention them by name but when they're planning when school ends for a Jewish holiday not a Jewish holiday they're not necessary consideration I I've two kids in college now and each of them have the experience of professors who they make their flight late at night the night before the era of yontiff because they've got class and then that professor now several times actually I'm cancelling class they're also getting ready for young TIFF they're also whatever and that kids like why can't change the flag kick it back it's not like I can just jump in the car and cross a bridge and I'm back home so all I'm saying and all I'm asking for is we know you love us and we love doing there's a wonderful relationship I'm trying to lead in anybody but when you're planning schedules whether your camp or Jewish colleges in New York you're planning your calendar whether you're too in college yeah two kids in college I do have two kids college somebody's challenging their privately not from my family so when you're earning your calendar you're planning your but you know the costs involved and not everybody is geographically located to spin but now let me take my foot out of my mouth and continue to Karen Carter so this week was um I show my Brody you would not have been available to be right here with us right now you'd be in another time zone how many marshal livings have you done in a row it's almost 15 almost 15 trips I don't think you understand that that is physical endurance spiritual endurance emotional endurance patients with teenager endurance it is a enormous enormous feat to to be able to go that many marchin livings stay on for two weeks with the kids of the credit I've got to pull in four times so I know emotionally the toll it takes once I went as a student twice I went with you on martial living and then once I went with your heavenly ting a trip for adults which was a very different experience than teenagers we talked about another time tell us what it is for you that you are that you're not polling this week is it hard for you to not be on that March what does that mean for the kids what do you think is the impact for this we're not getting it's a great question so first of all the kids that were assigned the teenagers ever signed up for this year's March we actually had a program for y'all must show up the other night where they they essentially read some poems and saw a short video about the more chill about the March about the Holocaust but there's no question that when you have a group of 15,000 students from dozens of countries all around the world they're walking through concentration camps of walking through gas chambers there's nothing that you can get to experience other than walking through that through that concentration you can't get that out of a book you can't get that out of a movie when when you look at the numbers of Jews that fall out of our Jewish community through any number of reasons and then you take a look at let's say the march of living has done longitude long long to tune in those studies Juvenal studies and 30 years of research has already shown that when you talk about just issues of intermarriage you know it comes down to single digits from very very high numbers so what do you say to a whole generation a whole grade of students that are not gonna be able to experience that right now they're not gonna be able to make it up now they might be able to make it up because there are any talks right now that perhaps it might be a lid a trip later for this age group at some point I don't know winning but odds are it's not gonna work for everyone so it's a big loss it's a huge loss to this age of Jewish teenagers there's no question that the mark has a big impact on our kids who are in Jewish day school too but primarily we've always spoken about that the the beneficiaries primarily of the March where you say there's that statistical benefit in terms of intermarriage and so on Jewish continuity are for the non-affiliated those not getting a formal Jewish education and and this is a week that some come back and they become determined in their mind that they are gonna marry a Jew and so to have this this year this age group this generation service of martyrs who are not necessarily having that level experience or may not have it you're right it'll it'll be one of the devastating secondary casualties of this whole experience for us and I just say one other thing yesterday our community had I would say almost 20 different you know my show us em commemorations between synagogues different youth groups other than the youth groups yet NCS why us why bBYO March the living ran a program but the most part you look at every one of the synagogue programs or even the federation's program which had close to 500 people you look at the average age I think on the low end the low end that's not the absence of the low end of the the group is probably 70 you know and you wonder where all the where's everyone else not that the teenagers who might be in a youth program where is that group of people from 20 to 70 you know where are they in terms of participating in any on my show a program right and my wife is sitting right next to me also points out that the opportunity to go with survivors it is slipping away so yeah a year last year with the opportunity to go with survivors this is also a big loss for not just for the march of living participants but really for our people as a whole so that's a that's a big deal rabbi Moscow so I ask you a question regarding yeah my show just clarify again I'm being challenged by one of the smartest people I know who should know my family my daughter Raquel pearl is in college and my daughter at our goldberg is in college that's two children in college and their tuitions make that very clear okay so this week was young Nashua we've had back-and-forth conversations with a certain demographic of the community who don't necessarily come in person to our events right and and they've talked about well if you did something online or streaming we'll speak to where we live that speak to where we populate so do you think that this year we're young mashallah by definition the only online that demographic experience to participate in Yama short but differently I mean you'll probably better equipped to answer that than I was you you did an amazing conversation with with with an amazing individual the other day I think you had over 800 people watching and I'd be curious to see what that demographic was was that primarily older people younger people listen you know it's it's hard for younger people now I'm not gonna I'm not gonna beat up on the Millennials I'm gonna give the Millennials a little kids are home and your kids you're managing their schoolwork all day and you finish at five o'clock and then you gotta start with dinner and bedtime and bath time and then all of a sudden there's a program at 7 o'clock so I get it I get that they're people that are spent by that the flip side which I have articulated unpopular unpopular ly fast is that you know when we're interviewing survivors as you just articulated I'm you know unfortunately we're limited in time and we oh you always get up every year in Scholl era Yoma show day I simply understand where you would be like what would be more important in your life than giving about an honor to someone who went through all this and all they want to do is share their story all they want to know is that there are people who are gonna tell the story after they're gone and that their people are gonna remember them and remember what they went through so I hope so I hope that all demographics realized how important it is and most importantly don't take it for granted you know I assume one of the fears is that we assume that the Holocaust is so ubiquitous for you it's so much a part of who you are and to give you a lot of credit and I learned this from you early on when I was here in Boca but you're amazing at doing all funerals when there's a funeral of a Holocaust survivor you take it to the next level really go above and beyond because you want to give that honor and you want to give that cover no I think I think all of us have to have to have that mindset and to recognize that as long as survivors are with us as long as we have the opportunity to to interview them to hear their stories to show them that love and support so it's not just incumbent upon all of us but it's a it's a feel it's an obligation of all of us to do that to do that as much as we can I couldn't agree with you more and I appreciate that compliment it means a lot to me but you know I tell you you think about Michael Goldsmith it was on tonight and he's a survivor of this coronaviruses episode and 22 days 21 days on a ventilator and he deserves all the accolades and recognition were giving him tonight and then you try to zoom out that lens and think about it in the context of a Holocaust right I lost I lost my cousin because this has been tragic and we're grieving and mourning and it is a horrific horrific loss and then you start to think about the the number 60 million used to talk to multiply that and it just it's mind-boggling so when we talk about our survivors you know in our case I won't start to name members of our souls who are thank God songs are in stark they should be here for a very long time the fact that they wake up and they believe in God they believe in humanity they're good people they built a family there's a part of community that I don't know that we've ever had role models like that and I hope over ever again be in a position to have role models like that so we're in this little window and time to point to that Jew and say they lost their mother their father maybe a spouse or a child that lost siblings they went through a death get a leg they did things we get they jumped out of a train they fought in the partisans in the far as they they survived like huh and yet they're insured before you are every morning they don't have excuses about not making it to minyan they're on their fifteenth cycle the DA feel me they're the first ones here to make a meal for someone like we don't have juice to point to like that any more than just these are unprecedented but the unparalleled heroes on our time and so I'm with you that you know listen the end of the day you're tired you're exhausted you put day but that's where the online part right you're gonna click something you could click Netflix or you can click some rerun and ESPN of a game from 25 years ago or you could click a survivor who's gonna tell you stories you can't even get you know you know maybe you could respond to this because it's a thought but I wonder if if because there it's ubiquitous in other words you grew up in a house where the Holocaust was always spoken about right I grew up in a house where my parents and my grandparents were always telling the stories the Holocaust it is it because it's so ubiquitous to us that we assume it's always gonna be there knows we assume that the Holocaust will always be on the forefront of our minds that it will always be part of our national narrative that'll always be part of our family narrative so like we we take it for granted and we fail to realize just how sensitive this time period we are in we're in ten years we're gonna look back and say oh if I only knew now what I knew back then I would have spent more time going now let's change let's change the conversation right we're running out of time but that was a day on the calendar next week we have two more days on the calendar right it was not smooth so okay then let's say there is a seventh the demographic a generation who says that that doesn't speak to me it's not as ubiquitous but they are ardent religious Zionist Sandra Israel the flagman and alia so we are here the three of us and the rest of our amazing staff our youth directors we're all racking our brains trying to come up with a meaningful virtual MSE kuronuma I know that you're speaking to lone soldiers in Israel we're gonna try to do some zoom conversation with heroic lone soldiers like Brody's daughter people who are volunteering the Israeli army we're gonna do something for you my salute are people gonna tune in and the irony is there are more people going to tune in to us talking about them turning in then turning into the program that's a it's a fair point maybe that should be the amount salute program next week yeah anyway so that's an interesting question about now that everything I'm on my the point is just this it's kind of a challenge so the people who've always said if things were online I'd participate right now everything's online so you know our data researchers are going through the IP addresses are you my shoulder our program and we'll know soon who tuned in who didn't I'm just joking but you know who you are and the question is when you're really evaluating your priorities what you care about whether it's the Yamashiro or whether it's sure and whether it's whatever it is what what you're watching says a lot about who you are so are you watching are you binge watching whatever is the latest thing to binge watch so you were so excited it was gonna be released are you watching somebody who raises crazy crazy cats are you watching what are you watching heroes survivors people have lost everything and yet believe you know like now it's not do I can get dressed do I get a babysitter do I make it a shoulder I fight for parking its I'm in the same position on my couch I'm wearing the same gap because whoa I want to press the remote control on am i watching some meaningful or not do I have another no running sure you from the interview with Rosie what what's one thing that jumped out of you for those who weren't honored one thing well we're just changing this is just like we changed the name of the show without any PR someone said you didn't have any you didn't have a meeting with your PR committee to announce a fuss or announce to the world that there's gonna be a new name that's that's changing we could talk but now the Rosi Rosi dr. Henry Bam and mrs. Rosen BAM both were one of the Kindertransport and met in an orphanage that married 71 years her father was the artist and designer behind the hidden jewel of thrift shop and if you want to watch it it's on my youtube channel it's really really worth about to watch to watch her store there's her father story I'll tell you what jumped out at me was each of their recognition of their parents having the selflessness and the love to send them on the Kindertransport came out just standing on that platform knowing you likely will never see your children again but saying I love you more than I love myself so even though I am gonna separate right now from you and never see you again I love you so much I'm willing to do that each of them acknowledgment thanked their parents selflessness to put their love of ahead of themselves which has built now that two of them can mine ihara children grandchildren great-grandchildren and Henry mentioned he was a son that got his great great grandsons bris they should have made such um have as many more when we asked them about having a Muno despite all they went through they said that you know you can you now I have answers could choose not to ask the questions and they look at the Bronco the blessing the opportunity they look at what they have about what's missing it doesn't mean that there are really difficult question but it means that making that choice and that's how they put one foot in front of another we are out of time my friends but can you say one thing I was just one thing right on that yeah you mentioned that school I was in that school and when you stand in a show like that which is no bigger than you know your kitchen let's just say it's much smaller than your kitchen smaller than your kitchen and you you like my kitchen it's like it's literally like grabbing my sweet kitchen first of all you can see on the walls they scribble different feel of felis one of them I remember is I say no the reason I remember is because I said let's move all I'm gonna sing it now now there was 12 of us no one knew that songs I sang it for everybody but I remember thinking to myself and I said you know what look what these people sacrificed yeah yeah and under under it's right it's right near the camp that's like this is a little community they're right outside the camp and then it is this hidden little show underneath this building you go in and now we have videos and we have programs that it's a click just click away and yeah you know we made a PowerPoint and saw the pictures one of the chicken by the way the one that's the most moving to me I think to everybody who's ever seen it is the Xhosa Jim Hollis de Kostner no Tishkoff I know that's what could you imagine that is what has a bourlingueur hiding underneath tourism's fat working in the camp in this ghetto and also building the shul shows when he had to paint to pass a guy with everything I had to send my two daughters away in the Kindertransport I'll never see them again I'm losing my whole family I'm gonna die who the holes us and with all that I haven't forgotten your name don't forget us it's really it's really just unbelievable and I'll tell you you know we'll end this on one hand with our light note but when we did our trip to Poland I remember we came back shot should have some of the people who went spoke and I'll say him by name my good friend David merely got out and he yelled at everybody child should have said he said where were you you don't understand how life-changing his trip was you don't understand what you missed and he said you know what I have to tell you on me we at you and I feel bad for you because of what you deprived yourself and that's how I feel at the end of a night of interviewing you know the bounds at the end of tonight talking to the Goldsmith's or at the end of some of the pro that we do not to us but the speakers we have the people exposed to somebody wrote here and sure Bailao spoke incredibly on yahshua when I see that I start to get so frustrated like what depriving yourself do you know what you're missing do you know what you're losing out on it what are you substituting it with is that really worth it we want everyone to have that inspiration as much let's end on a lighter note first of all remind me for next week we're looking we're not looking we already have sponsors but if want product placement sponsor and buy Brodie will wear a hat with your logo a shirt with your logo but my master initials into his beard for the right price you tell us a water bottle we've got product placement sponsorship we've already Express coming to your community we might have incredible guests for next week keep tuned it's gonna be unbelievable I wanted to talk about the introvert extrovert question you know what you learned about yourself being quarantined I learned a lot about myself let's start with that one next week but tan night rabbi Moskowitz you had a genius idea and now I know it was a genius idea here's how we know whether a BRS idea is a good idea when were two weeks later we find out their shoes running the exact same program we had a good idea so rabbi Moskowitz had a greater they said you know we're part together we miss one another yeah it's a fun that creates the community connected so you had the idea of a talent show walk us through the process today yeah we sent out the videos and the voting under way can you give us a little insight show though I don't sleep on the couch tonight it was my wife's idea she you know everyone's just walking around everyone was like anxious and sad and depressed and she said you know the community can really use a pick-me-up so we did this talent show thank God we got a lot of lot of submissions and we had to narrow down we had a lake committee who narrowed it down for us to the seven finalists we sent them out today and I'll just tell you this much the voting has been fierce we have over 400 votes already in and it's very interesting to analyze the votes and to see who's you know which blocks are voting for which people and where the votes are coming from I will say as a spoiler only one IP address per home is can vote so for all those people and I know who you are we're going on to your computers and voting every 10 minutes it only counts at once but over 400 votes it is a very tight race at the top I'll tell you that of course are illegal immigrants allowed to vote illegal immigrants are allowed to vote I do however and I said this is far to Communion I'm just saying as a joke I didn't know dat summary yeah I will say I did notice a few irregularities in the voting at a certain time today so it could be that the Russians were involved but it's a nice battle at the top numbers 1 & 2 are neck-and-neck in 3 & 4 are neck-and-neck and they're close behind 1 & 2 so vote early vote off in BRS online org slash talent will keep the voting open and accepting names don't say any names right now but are you surprised by any of the people who've been voting not only from our community but they found the link around the world I think you've been surprising who's participating is voting I'll just tell you this much you and I can do an expose on who has voted in our in our talent show contest we have had votes from most continents I think we have every continent so far we have votes from people who are less religious and people who are much more religious we have votes from every segment of our community and every segment of the Jewish community as a whole single white Hispanic millennial of a how was that second single I'm down yeah we need been young voting bloc but I will say and I told you earlier it's very interesting how developments are voting developments are by and large voting together surprisingly so that's some good loyalty going on on them not a loyalty going on we laugh we do have some amazing talent can you tell everybody what the website is so they can watch these seven videos these seven videos there is some really extraordinary talent amazing can tell everyone what the where to go when is the vote file and what are the winners get and then we'll say goodnight so the website is www.antakungfu.com for most of the videos which is amazing and I don't know when should we close the voting tomorrow night and now it's before Shabbos I think maybe we announce next Wednesday night yeah either maybe we'll bring on will have a surprise revealing Oh Leon the winner from the winner that's not a bad idea they can share their talent I'm not sure all their bed time though makes it in time for behind the people but if they do thank you thank you bring their sippy cup Simon have to go to sleep I don't know I'm just joking I have no idea who's winning I don't know what's happening and and in the top two finalists get a get a gift certificate to Ditmas supporting our local restaurants it's amazing we got some great talent we've got some some great programs thank you got some great restaurants shout out Aden Pincus Bar Mitzvah tomorrow morning the hero all the bar bar mitzvahs symphysis we're celebrating on zoom' you know he's gonna make us proud we're looking forward ladies and gentlemen thank you so much for joining a very special thank you to our panelists up in Moscow is Brody an enormous thank you to our guest this evening Michael and a lot of goldsmith and we'll see you it next Wednesday night nine o'clock we will be the behind the beam see you next