Rabbi Weber Parsha Shiur Lech L'cha 2026

it I think it really addresses an issue that you must have wondered about, right? Um there are stories in the Torah that that just don't sound fair or right or good. So you have the story at the end of this week's para we hugger becomes pregnant and she's sent away into the desert. You know Sarah is a really good kind. She's she's a name. It doesn't sound good. And the next week she's sent away with her son who seems to be who almost dies of thirst in the desert. You know Ara and Sor are good people. Um and if you know if there's certain and and hugger chose to be part of the family. Yeshal the story is really I I don't know it raises eyebrows. I think the the sad thing is is that in in anti-semitic circles [snorts] you know it it it's usually used against the Jews that we come across as bad people. Now I don't know that we reach the whole world but if we're in our own world we start you know developing it in a way where we go back to some historic truths maybe that can start spreading too I think there's something that I can can add that gives the story a whole new dimension and I think it's the natural reading and what prompted this it was an article I read I don't remember I don't want to take credit for all the ideas I share I've read so the core idea came from an article I read the core idea is not mine but a lot goes back to the Hamarabi codes and let me just sort of a a little bit of a preface. Some of you have exposure, some less. So when you learn now, when you learn the Torah and you know, if if you look at today, anyone who was in Bez and you have no understanding of of how the legal system works, it it's it it's not good. You'll I actually stepped away from Bez. I'm not trained. I don't have legal training. It doesn't work. You you make such messes sometimes because the two have to work in sync. But so you have to understand otherwise you end up in trouble. To understand sometimes what is happening, you have to know the Torah story. But if you know the norms that existed in the ancient world, the financial norms, the social norms, the moral norms, suddenly things make sense in a way that would have never made sense before. And the beauty of learning today is all this is accessible. You can go online, type in Hamarabi code, and you'll have it. The Hammurabi code will tell you it was sort of like the constitution of of the ancient world in the whole near eastern world. Cananan and and BVL that whole area they had like a constitution that sort of governed life how marriage worked how financial transactions worked that's my introduction then let's start seeing the story and I think you'll you know I I suspect you ask yourself these questions but the more shame you ask I think the more questions you'll ask and so of course the focal point is this week's para although it continues in next week's para I want to start doing this with the para beginning of the para is is that um is that sah Um, Hugger is Aram's concubine, a second wife. You know, we sometimes marginalize concubine, right? She was Egyptian, but but so were Bill and Zilpa and their children with Don oft. So before you cut out of the Jewish world completely because he was the child of a a a plegesh, so were so were the Besos. Um so let's put that um Amish was the child and in this week's para um there's bad interaction between hugger and sin and the puss is explicit. Suger took hugger into her home. Hugger was very mean-spirited and hurtful back to what s the puzz tells you but take now and it was a world in which which which servants work for the masses and abuse them. [snorts] So um so what hugger did was wrong. Huga was in the wrong but Sarah says she needs to be expelled. Um Aram is does not seem to think this way. This comes from Sara but tells Sarah is the one who understands the situation better. Okay, look this week's next week and hugger needs to be expelled. But hugger also had some legitimacy to a point of view it seems because comes to you and says you know you were expelled maybe you needed to be expelled but it's not as if you're thrown away. What does look at the first source you are pregnant you will call me ishmal is actually a very positive name you should know there were tan named we no longer use it because it became >> right so it became very associated with Islam there were no named As right he's just bad there no named Nimrod these are bad people um but >> right is but um right now at his birth listen to your suffering it's a somewhat validation I'm not saying she's totally right but she's not this is thrown aside and because of that you're going to have a gift now we grow to the yeshiva system and we're used to translating this way and I know didn't even grow up here grow up with Yiddish right in Yiddish you say right what does it It means he's terrible. He's right. He's it's it's a bad thing. And this has become sort of the defining is terrible. And the truth is we're living in the 21st centur. Okay. Um so we're we're living in the 21st century and the bad guys are Yeshel. But for all of human history, I mean all of modern history, Yesh was good. Jews had it much better in the Islamic lands than in the Christian lands. That itself is worthy of discussion and shurum and articles and books. It was a much better gullis. It's it's described in academic works and in classic works. >> Somebody on that somebody just had a discussion a few weeks ago and somebody as I say so they heard one of the is Victor Miller. Somebody said that was that the Muslim there was more murders more Jews were killed among the Muslims and Christians. I I >> think it was Victor Miller. I don't I couldn't be mistaken. Some says it was much, >> right? I I would I beg to differ. I mean, I've read a bit. I I I don't think so. I'm certain not um every crusade what everyone ran to the Muslims. >> Well, well, actually he actually ran from the wild Muslims. That was one period. Als every every terrible thing that happened in history, the Inquisition happened when Spain went from Muslim to Christian. the crusaders Hitler and Makmay grew from Christianitzki. You had one incident I I I'm I'm pretty you know and I read both academic works and classic work saying what I heard. >> Yeah. Yeah. I'm for sure. I mean yeah but I'm you know I >> think so too. >> Yeah I'm certain you know because I've read a lot on this I think like tremendously and all the laws and all the the Ashkanazim have are indicative of anti-semitism. Everything we do from the simplest example I must share this with you right we keep our Torah in just a keep it in a box and to kept in a big beautiful box how come this never came up you go into say they the you were always afraid of people >> we had to run there was always a they were going to burn down the sh you have to run and grab the Torah you wanted it light so you just had a burn yesterday that's >> in yesterday in France yeah >> they run yesterday in the same just They brought the sept >> that's where the difference come >> that's that's the supposition but there were so many menagum there's hundreds there were books written on it comparing manhagum there's a book of zimls just comparing that ashkanas have a much um much there was much more suffering it it displays itself on in in many [clears throat] ways I I that's I'm pretty certain I don't know but I um so so so yushel was not such a bad guy the name is really very posit kale that's really positive will listen to you or how come listen to you so >> that means that they heard us and then it causes us to cry and hear our cry >> that's you know I mean the simple reading you soak was responding to you know what um because you heard you you're going to have a son who's going to be a so rashi translate to be we grew up with rashi but rash Rashi is we I would venture to say we don't really know what Rashi means. Rashi quotes midrashim. We don't know who the real rashi is. I I studied under somebody really who an very bright man or from a professor at university. You don't know who the real rashi is. Rashi is quoting madrashiman and the not going to argue madrashim he quotes them but how does he read them? You don't know because these are the words that is not going to disagree with that is not going to disagree with but they give markum. So Rashi quotes the matter. What does the M say oh very bad list? He's going to be a thief. Um everyone hates him. He's he's just a bad bad person. But the generally translate to be positive that he's going to be a person of great strength, great accomplishment, nothing bad. Because the truth is you're speaking to a woman who has suffered. You're comforting her. What are you going to tell her? Your son's going to be an animal or he's going to be hated. Like what kind of comfort is that? The most important thing to a parent is how the child turns out. So what is the mal telling hugger? Why will that lift her? So look at the look at the and others says it's like a donkey. He'll have the strength of a donkey and he'll have the wisdom of a human. He'll be he'll be a very >> his mother is Egyptian. So he'll have physical strength. He'll have brawn and brains. He'll be a he'll be a very he'll be a person of great capacity. And in the ancient world, you needed brawn to survive. >> But what does it say about Mits >> his mother comes from Egypt and therefore they were strong people. So he'll have that. >> He's saying that the Egyptians were strong people, >> right? As >> physically or something >> sounds like physically. Sounds like physically. And then he'll have and then okay, he'll be it's not a bad thing. Look at the according to Rashi. Everyone's going to hate him. He'll be fighting with everybody means that he's going to do business with everybody. He'll be he'll travel place to place. He'll be successful. So these two and I would say this is where most are translate read this statement by as do you go through this learning? No. I don't you know I don't even feel bad because I I don't remember what I learned where but we know one another for many decades. So we've learned things over the years. So um um so most translated as positive which the truth is makes sense. The puzz is telling you that hugger may have done wrong. She may have deserved to be expelled but she wasn't an evil person who's being thrown out heard you. Um um um um who is with you is giving you this gift. So all of this is really you know is is a gift for you. So he's a good guy and the truth is he's actually much better than people realize to an extent that is surprising. I want to go through sukum. Okay. Who named um this boy Ishmael? Did Hugger give him the name or did Aram give him the name? Who named him? >> Look at the Bible. The angels told Hugger what he should be named. Who gave him the actual name? Look at nine. Taylor Hugra from Hugger named Mishal. Well, how did Hugger know to name him? >> Did I say a Who did I say? I said hugger. A How did Aram know to name Hug? Um Yesh. The Malik spoke to Hugger. It sounds like Hugger told Ara that the Malik visited me and said, "You should name Yishal." Which means Aram knows that she was approached by a Malik about this child being a very special child. So much so that the Ramban and this is so important because the most traditional rishum is the Ramban. You know if there would be if you would take rash you would say more yeshivish more modern more like more um um gush the ramban would be the real panbra right we don't know who rashi is and people misunderstand rashi I think rashi simply quotes mrashim raan is is hish and right-wing and ramban did not want anything modern he was afraid of modern things because he saw them he lived in a part of Spain where the Christians were doing modern things and so the man insisted on reading things very literally because he was afraid weird things will go if you don't Raman doesn't doesn't like reading things doesn't m doesn't like he likes reading things even though it's a little bit jarring even the Raman tells you and this I think will surprise you that appears towards the end of our para and there's a brisp and a kadesh tells him you're going to have a child and the child is going to to to fill the world with light and have many children and and and he's going to suffer. But that's part that's the that's a Jewish destiny. You had that, right? You have to wander and build. Your child will have the same. And what does tell it's okay. I don't want that child. You promised me a child. Let Yish live. Now, what is Ara doing? Abra is just giving up. Abram's whole life and identity had been about being the father of Clusadesh who promised him he believed it. He's going to have a child and this child will light up the world. And then tell him you're an old man but you'll have a child. I mean believes in that it's okay. What is he saying? I'm giving up on the dream. What is saying when he says You know what the Ramban says and this is like this is like you know saying this is not some you know modern orthodox rabbi saying this um you know this is the most the says until this point in time Abraham thought that yes is going to be his descendant and he's going to lead cla role why wouldn't he think that he was born to a plegish what's the big deal you know with theatam you Dali got an Asher yet wasn't born yet. Um but Yeshal was born to is his son. He was born to pleish doesn't make a difference got ash also action. See the Raman site and this is after hugger was told he's going to be a paradam and hugger must have told this to Ara because she told Ara to name him. >> So then why would he think that then? >> Because paradam doesn't mean bad guy. Perod means accomplished successful smart person. That's >> parro means healthy, vibrant, physically strong which was important in that. >> So why is that interpreted as a bloody? >> So we've become I I I think you know we've gone you know Yiddish kite landed here in Muny and it's become one flavor but this you know people back in Spain >> of course we know what is and he's called so we associate >> I think because we've we've separated it's true much of Yeshal culture has gone there. I don't I don't know the Arab mind. I don't know if they're all there. I think in the Palestinians and Gaza the majority are but you know the people in Dubai are Arabs also. The people in in the UAE are Arabs also. So maybe there are different strains of thinking. I but I want you to see the Ramban inside. And again you have to remember who the Ramban is. The Raban is the most yeshivish. It's it's a silly term to wasn't Yoshivish. Look at the Ramban. source 12 and you should know you feel free to discuss this but realize I I you know I don't need to be so famous you don't have to discuss everything with everybody because not everyone subscribes to every single thing I say just to know this Ramadan will be foreign to people it's the look at the he thought that his was this is after Yeshal you know he he was perodum this is after you know um hugger was thrown into the desert so Ara had pretty positive perspective on when was already 13 it's Ramban it's not even not the it's Ramban the most traditional >> so if he thought this what happened when Sarah said kick him out what was >> so we're going to talk about that that's exactly where I want to go I I have a I >> do want >> right but but just lo I think there's a simple answer now that we have the Hammarabi code it all makes sense we're gonna know but right now we're sort of presenting ishmal I think our community has gone a certain place there's a lot of tension with the Arabs now um but you should know there was a lot of tension with the Christians until the Holocaust and things have shifted maybe they'll shift here also it's not going to shift tomorrow it'll take decades but I I don't but it was always better with the Muslim world than it was with the Christian world was far far better. [snorts] Um um now and the Gar tells the can tell you that it's not just that thought that was his yush actually is a lot like is the father of 12 and is the father of well look at the look at 13 this is he says is going to be born is going to be born he's going to you know he's going to be the the primary descendant but nevertheless I gave him he's going to have 12. So is sort of closer to us than how he evolves than people think. Now so you're going to think that all of this changed once was born because we know what happened when Yitzk becomes a little bit older. There's tension with Yitzk, right? Yeshal is being with and Rashid there makes it also terrible. There's a Zor and there's Gileas and there terrible terrible things are happening, right? Um that's that's how we're accustomed to reading it, right? Really bad things. And at that point is thrown out. But and you would think if he's thrown out of the house because he's about to kill Yeshal's not part of Aram's life. A doesn't like him anymore or associate with him anymore. Ishmal remains very much part of Abram's life. So much so that when Abram asked who your who your beloved son is, he doesn't know is my beloved son or is my beloved son Yeshal. It's the medish. You all know it the right tells him take your bin your son your only son aa the one that you love and a says I don't know he he doesn't realize it's about sacrifice just take your son he doesn't know if the son that he loves ishmal or they seem to be equal at least that's what the medish tells you right look at the medish and the medish is not what ma >> rash brings this medish right and this medish a primary medish. It's a medish rabba. Okay? So, this is not some this is a primary source. Now, again, this isn't a joke. This is this is everything that Jewish law is based on. Look at the medish. So, it's based on the Pik. Okay. 15. Okay. Um I said actually it's also have two sons each one is an only child I love them both >> that's why it says because he didn't know >> right but but you see this is after was thrown out Abraham is still equating them >> wow >> so Abra initially thought is one is named because he's going to hear God's voice according to most is positive. It's not you know the way it's >> perman healthy strong physically strong and mentally strong. >> It's not a negative >> at least according to these shin the rashi brings down the the classic source that does make it sound negative. Rashi makes it all very negative but Rashi is a little bit of an anomaly. Rashi is now I want to take it a little bit further. Gaza made it bloodthirsty. >> Now, um >> Gaza made it bloodthirsty, >> right? >> We call him, >> right? And there's now this this stayed with Abram for the rest of his life. He has a very positive relationship with Ishmael. How do you know when Abram dies who buries him? And Ishmael, >> he probably had other children here. The Bction, right, which seems to be um but they're not involved. the um at the end of his life he gives gifts which means he's not giving them the dominant and how do we understand this he gives gifts to the look at how the red reads that okay come with me to um 18 takes another wife this is after Sarah passes um and she's now who is she a new woman is she hung her with another name we're famili with idea that it might be hug with another neighbor. That's so odd because the Torah doesn't really do that. It may very well be a different woman. But he takes all these women. So it's a little curious. On the one hand, we read that gets everything. On the other hand, we read that the bane get gifts. Does not get anything? Is he like worse than the balim? Well, look at what happens not long after when a dies and he's buried. Look at so he's more involved in a's life than the action because they're not involved in his burial and [snorts] does does not seem to have a continuing relationship with action. But after's death, you know, brothers maintain a relationship, right? There's no indication anywhere that he kept a relationship with action. But the bus seems to be quite explicit in saying that he maintained a relationship with Yeshal. How do you know this? >> After the death of >> after the death. Yeshal's involved in the burial. Yeshal even at the point of the aa which is after Yeshal was thrown out of the house, right? Because the happens when is 37 13 whichever is you want to take but it's well afterm is still and even if you leave that aside travels to the tunam who are the tunam one of them is well if he's thrown out he's an enemy right is part of Aram's life and yes was part of's life how do you see this so look at the puk it's not there in the ple it was article written by yonis grossman And he also writes beautifully available online all everything is available online he points out um so it's source 18 third line died what is who lived there what is the term war used the first What does mean >> to see >> and light see light >> um liquidity >> right who was who was the person who um used the term hugger that's what hugger when she found the well in the desert where yes when she was wandering there because she had been expelled and it seems that yes is going to die of thirst she found a well that you named Barai. It's pretty obvious that this is Yeshall's place. To him, it was a magical place. It was the place that he survived in. It was a place that allowed him to survive. He was a man who lived in the desert. He was able to function there. But when something miraculous happens to somebody, especially in the ancient world when you really identified with that, that's where he murdered himself. That's where he placed himself. So Yitzk was spending his time after Ram's death with Yeshal. So as Yeshal completely cut out of the USA. So the red says for sure not. Um just got gifts Yeshal got more. Now maybe he got it earlier. Maybe Yesh when he was sent away earlier received his estate. At this point received his estate and the palakim got small things. But yes received something more significant at least according to the red. Okay look at the red 21. so on so forth and for sure received something. So we have so much that's good about Yeshal. Now again there's tension now and I think we view it through the prism of that and every [clears throat] one of us I anyone who is every is so concerned I mean really you know if you believe and it's where my belief system is I can't tell you I certainly believe in school I believe that there's there is some role so I I believe there's there's a solution for this. It's so hard to see where the solution is coming because Europe is turning against Israel. But at the very same time, Europe might be imploding. Um, and maybe that's the brah that wants maybe. Um, but France is France is indicative of of an illness. Um, I mean, what what happened in France will happen in Belgium tomorrow and happening in Italy already. Um, and maybe that's what maybe it'll bring in right governments who will be supportive of Israel. They they might not they might not give people individual rights. Europe might be an issue. Mila may even be an issue because they'll want Mila. Probably not. They're gonna because it's so common. So, okay. So, so they won't have so much kosher meat. They'll have to import. But, um but maybe where it goes, I don't know. But, um everyone is concerned about the fanaticism, the craziness you see in the Islamic world um about how it'll play itself out in terms of where will you go? You have [snorts] millions of Jews in Gaza and in the West Bank. What are you going to do with them? I mean, how are you going to make this work? So, there's real cause for concern, but historically, they were the more tolerant population. They were much easier and they were just easygoing. They didn't enforce the rules. You know, I was just reading, you know, Ravad Bunu traveled and he, you know, he he traveled from Italy to Israel and travel through Egypt and he spent a lot of time in Egypt. They wanted to keep and he spent every shabas, everyone in got drunk. They would get together and they would have their raisin wine and everyone would drink seven wines, seven cups of wine. But they were in Egypt. They were tolerant. They couldn't drink. They allowed us to drink. We did our thing. It was it was very very different. And Jews weren't expelled. It's why is much stronger. Their Hebrew was better. Their halas are more rooted. There was much they didn't wander. There was there were far fewer expulsions. Um Yemenite Jews were in the same place, the same towns from before the mdish till now. So, you know, they do have a Hebrew where they can differentiate and it's probably more authent than the Hebrew. Today, I'm cognizant. I I don't know what to say. Um >> last couple 200 years. >> Right. Right. Um and a lot of it is not that I'm not fully supportive of Zionism. I am. I can't tell you where you are, but but yes, it creates this contributed. But but what are we going to do? If you wouldn't have made Israel, then where would the Jews be? They would all be assimilating in North America. Um this this creates a place where Jews can survive. It creates inspiration here. But does it contribute? Because it's so odd to them. they're supposed to be in charge and now we're in charge and our successes like taunt them. I mean you go to Israel and you look at the miracle and you go you cross the border. Um so but but that's you that's political and you you may have different readings and different understandings of that's that's another discussion. But there's so much everywhere you go in Mishim in Midrash and Gumar it's posish and yet you have this horrible situation where Aram takes a woman and and her child who seems to be sick and they throw they're thrown out of the house. They're given a jug of water and just a little bit of bread and they wander and and he almost dies of thirst. Why do this? And even if he has to be thrown out, why throw him out in such a public demeaning way? People never sometimes have to throw a kid out of the house. It's not as if this never happened here in Muny, but but why do it in such a demeaning way? What's going on here? So, what do we point at when we began our discussion in the ancient world? You know, we're we're used to but what's the problem? He had the same exact rights as the other but really not much of a difference. So, so what was he like donasher or was he really an outside? And you know what the answer is? Just open the Hammurabi code. >> Who? >> What? >> Who wrote the Hamarabi? >> Hammurabi code is I don't know. I don't There was a king. Yeah, there was a king called Hammurabi. And it's like a constitution that tells you what the laws were like in the way people lived their lives. >> Right. In in so he was in Bav Mesopotamia BL. But it's the way people lived in that world. And remember we came from that world. So if you want to know, you know, in America they drive on the right side of the street and in England they drive on the left side of street. That's the norm. tells you what the norms were, the way people lived. Um, did women y or did they not yin? You see are very very similar them. So tells you that if a person had a child with his regular wife, that child had a undeniable. Maybe there were legal ways to get around it, but if he had a child with a blegish, the father can decide whether the child did or did not yash. It was the father's right to decide. and he would make that decision and he would record it. Now, if you make a legal decision, you um write a will that this goes to this person and this goes to that person. You'll file it with your lawyer and that's where it stays. If you made a sale or a transaction in the ancient world, did you file it with your lawyer? You couldn't. There were no central offices. There were no computer banks. There was no storage. There were no libraries. there was really so how if you made a financial decision that but documents didn't last right >> and they would they would get lost what did you do whenever you made a financial decision that changed things so I'm going to shift towards something that a lot of say um um I'm trying to remember which this whole story that is so terribly misinterpreted Jacob buys the from of and then what does he and how does he buy the what does the puss seem to say >> the beans >> for a bowl of beans tell me how stupid was how meaningless how how awful was Jacob >> legally can you do it is it legal if you're dying of hunger and I say if I'm I want I want to buy I want your million dollar house for a pot of beans and if you don't sell me the house for pot of beans just die is that a legally valid sale here in the US. Jewish law is not valid. No law. It's coercive. It's deceptive. It's not real. So, it's it's not valid. And Yakov is a saddic, right? He's Jacob. Would he do that to a brother? And was so stupid. And was he really dying of hunger? >> Does do we? So, what was the pot of beans about? You know, I think it's the it's a number of maybe um >> the simple reading is is that it was a proper sale. We discussed this. So, we didn't learn anything. I thought we learned a lot. Um [gasps] [snorts] um so it was a proper sale, they say. But whenever you had a sale, you had a transaction, you had to record it. You would have a public meal to celebrate it. Yakov gave Asv $100,000. Yakov told Asov, "I'm going to take the pakor because I it speaks to me. You can have the house and you can have the farm and you can have the ice cream factory." Um, I want this and you'll love that. But how do you create public memory? You make a ceremony and a ceremony involves a public meal. Maybe even the rash says it. Um, but for sure I think you have a public ceremony. They were gamar at the beginning of kubis. When a woman gets married, she goes out with her hair this way. She knows she's Absoolah. She goes over here that way. You notice that she's Well, why does she go over here? Why why are people looking at her here? Because you have to create a public memory. There were no records. It was Yakov and As having a public meal to create public memory that there was a sale of the Borra for $100,000. That's what it was. It makes sense. Otherwise, again, [laughter] otherwise you're feeding into anti-semites. You read the story as Yakov selling a dying man buying for a pot of beans. YaKob is a thief and YaKob is steals from his brother. No one comes it it it it feeds into anti-semmites. At least we in our world should have a reading that first of all gives respect but secondly it makes sense. It's just not not sensible. It's not the way the world works. No one does things like this now. Why would someone do that then? It's very simple and you see this in gorus throughout where there was no way to record sales. You would have a public ceremony. Go to the Hamabi code. A father had two sons. One was a regular son from his regular wife. One was a son brought bought born to a plegish. He decides he does not want the son brought born to the plegish to inherit. Usually why was a son born to a pelgish the way the way they were born to Bill and Zilpa. man was married to a woman, there were no children. The assumption in the ancient world was that she was infertile. Although it's 50/50 to be realize today. If the assumption she's infertile, so you get another wife and then you have a child with her, but that's not really the woman you wanted to marry in the first place. If the second wife, if the first wife eventually is a child, maybe you'll still consider them children, split it, maybe you you'll disassociate, disinherit the child of the plegish and give the entire yusha to the child of the main wife. It's the father's choice. But how did the father create a record saying I'm disinheriting the child of >> what do you do? >> You said public ceremony. >> And what kind of public ceremony would you have? >> Meal. I guess >> you would have a statement of the child acting like an ev. I want you to read the phono is explicit. um 25. [snorts] Um the says that Afram was not just struggling with idea of expelling Ishmal but he was struggling with expelling Ishal with aus with the signs of of servitude. What what is this? Sarah wanted to expel Yeshal because she didn't want Yeshal to inherit together with the Ara wanted both of them to split the inheritance. He thought Yeshal was his main child all along. And the truth is what does Sarah tell a kilo he will not inherit this child. I didn't want them to split the inheritance. And the truth is you know you're splitting the inheritance. You're splitting the leadership. You're splitting the dream. You're splitting the leadership of Kal Israel. Yeshu he's not suited for this. That was Sarah's thing. She wasn't cruel. She just says he could he'll be part of the family. He'll come back and he remained part of the family but he can't be he can't get the at least not the yusha that defined the future. Did he get something the redox? He got things but not the things that define the family. What are those things? I don't know. Maybe it's the home where they welcomed guests and and had a curive center. I I whatever it was, but she's not going to Yan with Look at this photo carefully. Is 25. She says in relation to the boy to expel them with signs of slavery tells you some it's a every vow counts. So the terra is going to out of the way to tell you that sends them away with um with with um some water placed on her shoulders. Like why these details? I mean it this signs about this. >> There's signs of abus um a free woman a matriarch doesn't walk around with um with a smile on her shoulder. She >> has someone else hold it for her. >> Right. So it was simply a statement that she is an amma which meant what you did was you would have a public ceremony in front of the whole town. It was demeaning but it's something that needed to be done. her holding it, not her son >> together. Because if she reverts to abdus or >> hugger, you're right. But if she reverts to abdus, then he loses the status as preferred child. She's no longer in the plegish category or wife category, she's in the category where there's still a child, but he's the child of an amma, which means he maintains his pseudo slave identity. The exparno is explicit and it all goes back to the Hammarabi code. Look at 22 of Hamarab. If a woman be your sons to a man as made servants have born sons and the father while still living says to the children was made servant is born my sons and a counsel of the sons of his wife. If then the father dies the sons of the wife and of the maid servant shall divide the paternal property in common. The son of the wife is to partition truths. They'll I mean they'll divide even though the son of the wife but but if the father when he's alive says I disinherit you then the child no longer has right. Yeshal remain beloved. Yeshal got something according to the redak there was a continuing relationship. The aada so many years later I love them both. And is not tricking anybody. He means it right. Even after Yoshmal maintained a a a working relationship with Yitzkitzk after his parents die goes to his older brother's home maybe to find solace both of them and only they bury Aram the relationship continued. Um now again you could read it that there was no relationship and then there was Chuva but maybe but that's that's not what's thrown that's not what um you know I think the simple reading is >> did other kids also get sent out like a slave or >> they didn't need to be maybe because maybe it was clear maybe the pattern was set or maybe they weren't it wasn't really controversial I don't know the say but the Sono is explicit I think explicit I think now there be access to the court I don't know but Some of this is intuitive. You can guess it. And so suddenly the story, it's not about mean, it's not about hurting, it's simply about making a legal statement. Now the truth is her girl was shocked. She had married. She assumed that she was going to be like Bill Anzel, but they weren't, you know, didn't live yet. And and then she realized that no, she doesn't have those rights. And the truth is she never had those rights. She couldn't demand them. She was shocked. Once she was sent away, maybe she fled. Maybe she was embarrassed. She ended up going to death and she got lost. But that wasn't the objective. No one was trying to kill her or hurt her or hurt her son. But you have to make a legal statement. If you don't, then you're going to have um um problems. And the truth is those are the pursim all silo which meant until then the assumption was was that he wasn't heavening. And the Raan when you know Rashi says we're used to you know means that that um was trying to kill the Raan you know it doesn't say that the Raan says means he was laying claim to the which was such a sensible claim. [gasps] So suddenly these are smart sensible people doing what they had to do. No one was trying to bruise you and no one was trying to break the relationship completely and there's no indication that it broke. They were simply trying to make a statement that very frequently in situations like this. The two sons are equals. That was the assumption till now. It's not going to be that way. They're not going to be equals. Now, will Yesh totally disinherited? Red says no. He got something, but he doesn't define the future. He doesn't define. He doesn't receive the things that define Claudius. >> How does the other woman that married who we think is hover different name? >> Coutura. >> Coutura, right? How did [snorts] does she play into this? So there's it doesn't mention could be she also went through such a process could be it didn't didn't need to be done because once it was done to hug her was already established I don't know um you I I don't know maybe it was clear from the get-go there um [snorts] so I don't know the pig isn't specific is specific only here but I think it's very um it leads to rich discussions and I I think it it's really an avenue to how you can learn in a way that people couldn't have when I was doing yeshiva I just wasn't maybe it was in certain circles it just wasn't on the agenda and it just things make sense no one is no one is spiteful or babyish or small these are really good people really mature people dealing with really serious issues in a sensible way that made sense not about fendettes not about small things just about making sense out of things so that's the topic Dour. >> Thank you.