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by the way for giving us at a rally that's taking place later today in Manhattan uh put together by the central binle congress with us right now is Rabbi yako Shapiro a spokesman for that organization shme weer is the editor their blot newspaper good gentlemen thank you for joining us good good let me good let me begin with you RAB yako Shapiro your organization is sponsoring putting together a rally against the Israeli draft that's taking place later in Manhattan so who's behind the rally what's it all about what's going on what's on the agenda right well first I don't know if we can call it my organization um it's really not my organization but the agenda is basically where people are getting together to pray and to protest um against the uh drafts of the Yeshiva guys in but but you but you're the spokesman you're not you're not a sopher just said but you're representing the C Central rical Congress of the United States in Canada which is the organizer repres yeah I'm not a remember he said said and I said when you greeted us okay whatever way you say it but but I'm just saying but you are as the media spokesman you're the representative for the group that's putting together the rally and and what what was the motivation for putting together rally at this point in time uh the motivation of putting together the rally was um because of the draft the the purpose of the rally is number one uh to uh voice our voice our United opinion um to anybody who's willing to listen that uh we're against the draft we want to first of all uh give the the Bim who we're expecting not to comply with the draft we want them to know that we're behind them we obviously can't expect people people to um put their neck on the line to B themselves unless uh if we don't uh do anything if we don't do anything so but by the way it's not official yet I know they're talking about it but it has been implemented there are still a lot of changes to be made so aren't you jumping the gun by doing it now no no no because why uh they're trying to do it they want to do it listen if they don't do it then fine but on the contrary on the contrary it's easier to stop something if it's going to be stopped before it's implemented if all the bads um gazis would have been able to be protested against before they were implemented would be a lot easier but there still there harder to harder to respond to well now you so but this is unique and I'm going to go to our guest sh weer is on he's the editor of their BL are you there yes good yeah so you are representing their BL this is unique because For the First first time you're having two brothers that you know the followers and the Reit have been at odds of one another for a long time but you having a Unity right because you have both follows you represent RAR of safer and rfer getting together same Podium this is a storic event where you have two factions of sophomore being united by the state of Israel in opposition to what perceived to be a graph legisl which hasn't taken place yet you're right is a very great thing but this is not the first time going back to a meeting at the Council of CRC there was a meeting between the leading rabbis of New York State and both rabbis were there and that that time it was the issue M both rabbers were there sting sitting together and bringing both sides together it's not the first time let's go back to the rashin case first of all just to mention that rashin is a and it was KJ K Joel was the first Jewish neighborhood that they made a fundraising Forin and it was continued in Lakewood and park and all sides came together there is time when you put everything inside and you come together now the same thing happened to willburg two years ago where there was a p fundraising in willburg in the ballroom of Continental on R Street everybody who the pig who is the pigon stream for in that case it was um Mr okay and everybody came together and um in the same in the same time we support the case everybody gave some donations bigger smaller but it's always good and therefore what is happening tomorrow it's a real after is getting together but in the other case did they speak together publicly on the same Podium or is they had it at work because from what I understand this is a first public event where they're going to actually be speaking together to my to my knowledge none of the rabies would be talking there are a selected uh list of uh speeches which does not include either of the grand rebes of theic sect entirely I mean um we expecting another couple Grand I'm not a couple but expect a lot of rabies Grand rabes and on the list I don't think there's any Grand re or Rabbi who going to speak why isn't any of the grand rbies aside from speaking tomorrow but this this is the custom by this demonstration never a rabi was speaking this goes back to the and they were not speaking they were just attending and giving support and uh this is going to continue tomorrow now let me ask you at the meetings did both rebies did they speak to each other they shake hands had it at work because I wasn't there so just for the edification of our audience give us an idea what's going on because you know there has been feuding back and forth for quite a while some of it has gotten pretty nasty we've covered it on the a so just Tru now is this genuine piece or just getting together for the day and you go back to fighting if give us a picture we hope this is going to aail and to my knowledge we expected tomorrow on the Das a couple of hundred dignitaries um and and you're expecting a a a large a large group there okay th those that are just tuning in you're listening to a special broadcast that uh we are putting together tonight and about a rally that that's taking place uh actually later today in uh in lower Manhattan and we're going to give you an opportunity in a little while we're going to open up our phone line so those that are calling right now we're not going to the phone calls at this moment but we are going to take your phone calls in a little while and you'll have an opportunity to speak your mind and you're going to be able to um speak your speak your peace and speak what you have in your mind again our email address is TCN is Zev at talkline communications.com that's Zev talkline communications.com and you're welcome to email questions we're going to get you your phone calls as well so that's all upcoming it's upcoming and there very very special broadcast okay so now we're going to go back to our guest and we're going to we're going to do that and we're going to take our special guest and we're going to take your phone calls as well okay okay okay we're going to just reestablishing contact again with our special guest okay and here we go and I believe we got interrupt go ahead I think you were speaking U uh sh go ahead sh are you [Music] there okay sh can you I don't know where I lost okay can you hear me now that again no no you heard so so so we want to we just want to know if there's some peace talks ra go ahead Rabbi Shapiro and ra and uh from the weeder from their blood so we're on the radius so I just want to get a handle from both of you let me speak to you so is this real o is there are they talking is there going to be continuation or just just getting together for the rally and they go back here separate ways after the rally are you there can you hear me is okay we can you hear me we can hear you okay we're going to reesta we're going to just fix that find out what the problem is we're going to be right back don't go away talk line over wmca 570 a.m. New York wjpr 1640 a.m. in Highland Park and on talk line communications.com powered by the Jet and if you're looking for our 24-hour day listen line 21241 94240 extension number one Our Guest right now are the organizers is the organizer of the anti-israel rally taking place later today RAB yaku shapir of the central bical Congress and Sh weer of their blot newspaper I'm just trying to get a handle of sh before we get back to R shapir we're going to take your phone calls in just a few moments but let me ask you this um are the Rees talking to one another this a Prelude to this what I started asking before we broke are they getting together more what's game plan because people want to know I just as I said before is a big thing and in the previous uh couple of months they met they sat in one ballroom and they discussed together issues that CL is as I mentioned before M and so on now tomorrow they both going to attend as many other leading Grand rabbis and ronas and probably as I said before we expecting a couple of 100 dignitaries and therefore the big lead rabbis of the bigger congregations and yeshivas would be spread out through the Das to maximize but if our grand of would have an ability as the masterminder of the protest he's the one who called for it last Sunday night at a special event willburg called willburg it was a an a to fight internet at that time um he made an announcement not not by himself but it was done in his name so if if he's going to have an ability to walk around the Das and to shake hands for each and every dignitary for each rebi Risha and say thank you for coming definitely he would es skap him and now um you say the your re lab you coron lab you re to yet or that's not in the offing it's definit we have to give respect for everybody and including for okay now let me turn to R Shapiro and ask you so this is a Saka rally that's taking place today no Saka is uh going to be well represented but uh it's not any more a s moral than um anything else that satma attends there's going to be other hiuses um BS is going to be there um bov is going to be there um there's going to be L Shiva is there um satna has the resources and the ability to organize such a thing uh to do the logistics but no it's not a s morality and I I just want to ask you a question you characterized it earlier as an anti-israel rally that's quite an ambiguous uh adjective and well is it is it an is it a pro-israel rally or an anti-israel rally does every rally that takes place in the world have to be pro-israel or anti-israel well let but let me tell but are but your buing is and you're you're it's not here to support solidarity is you're protesting Israel is that a correct assessment of what's taking place today it depends what you mean we're here if a guy protests the Vietnam War of America is it an anti-america protest well listen I'm I'm going to read from a flyer that's posted on failed side which is a fly given out to sophomore school students the United to Medical Academy here's what the flyer say I have a copy in front of me here's a loose translation with the help of God suddenly there'll be a huge protest we're going to make fun of the Zionist because they're saying that Yesa students must God for become soldiers we're not allowed to make war with the told that the stop the holy Messiah from coming protest uh will go on the way of tur with far war to sanctify God's name so obviously ly saer is characterizing as an anti-israel rally it can't be any clearer than that first of all that that that that thing you read can you give me the Yiddish for those words we're going to make fun of the zionists that's a strange uh phrase to use um I I highly doubt The Originals that's even worse oh does that mean to make fun no this is translation means even worse than make the so the translation was yes it's even is even worse destroying design that's even that's even worse no it doesn't mean destroying design please stop with these translations SM how would you translate please listen so you tell me I'm I'm looking at the fly over okay so now that's what I was waiting for I'll tell you the the topic of the protest tomorrow is against the draft there's no question about it that's it it's against the draft now the fact of the matter is that the motivation for the draft is another thing that has to do with uh attacking our culture and trying to change us into them but the the uh issue of the day is one topic don't categorize this as anti-israel because what you're doing is you're telling the people out there that those that are against the draft shouldn't come unless they're against Israel's existence which is a false representation wait wait hold on everybody should you believe this are you are you a supporter are you a supporter of the state of Israel irrelevant to the IR to the question motivation is is a motivation part because let's put it this way let's be honest and I love the saer community but they're not pro Israel they're anti the state of Israel right that the the topic of tonight's show is not the S community no but but aren't they organizing like you said they're organizing the rally so they're put together said that they're doing the logistics and they're doing that they have the ability to make this come together you're portraying this as a s thing and that's not correct the point of the protest is to protest against the draft of Yeshiva guys anybody who's against the drafting of Yeshiva guys can be there and can join in the the purpose of the protest now it happens to be yes s is against Israel 100% no question about it but the that Quest but the particular protest that's going on tomorrow is not about satma it's not about that it's about the DFT please don't change it to anything else please don't try to marginalize what's happening I look at the fly but the flyer that I read to you which sent out to the that they're going to that they're going to embarrass the zionists because of what they're doing now even if somebody accepts state of Israel that's still true they deserve to get a punch in the face for what they're doing they deserve to be spoken out against for what they're doing but they haven't done anything to do but you and I agree that they hav this legislation is being contemplated hasn't been finalized it's going to go through IR point it hasn't been finalized oh so you're saying that since it has been finalized the protest doesn't have to do with the draft it has to do with Israel right no wrong it's about the draft the fact that it hasn't been finalized I I didn't I answer that already the fact that it has been finalized means that's easier now to to abolish it than after it's finalized you're trying to say that since the draft hasn't been implemented therefore it must be not against the draft what no I didn't say you listen you having your this against against the draft but I'm just saying but there is there is an ulterior motive over here which is fueled by a certain agenda that's in right which they had you're saying you're saying that somebody is not against Israel but he is against the trft he has no reason to protest listen you have leading Russia Shas including kamki that come out against the protest right you have lake with Rabbi who which leading Ras that have come out for the protest and no leading Risha who's come out against the protest said it has anything to do with anti-israel the only person that I've heard said that is of brener and still I haven't heard a reason well listen hold on hold I read to you a flyer that's being distributed on fly doesn't say it's an anti-israel protest it says an anti excuse me anti-zionist protest no it doesn't say anti-zionist protest it says that that why are you misquoting a flyer that was given out to kindergarten kids that was mistranslated on a Blog what the flyer says is that they're going to um uh they're going to embarrass the Zionist because of what they're doing yes that's true they are and they deserve to be because of what they're doing because of the tras and that's what we're going to do it's the zionists that have uh uh governments of Israel that have implemented or trying to implement this this draft and we're coming out against that now that's it the beginning and the end it was fire lag against Z we're going to take phone calls in just a few moments our numbers at 22769 1925 sh weer so you perceive this as being a sopur rally with other particip ation how do you view it no it's not a r it's United voice of the American Jury we coming out in droves to protest to protest against the recent decision by the Israeli government to force Orthodox Jews to serving its Army we're going you said many leading russas came out against is Rally can you name at least two has leid come on board for the r you've tried very hard to bring onard come out against can you name come out I just qu keski ketki that's kki and Israel keski and Israel came out against the rally too he did first of all he's not a he's not a Risha I asked you for two Ras In America which is what you said so he's a goar fine I give him his one second one second one second he came out against it but there's another letter that says he came out for it correct are you aware of that I have a handwritten letter that's been emailed to me it's on world news that a handwritten letter not written by him that somebody asked him this is what he said agreed there is such a letter I know about it but are you aware that there's another letter I have a question there's another letter where it says that one of the participants in the rally asked him and that he said that he's foror it are you aware of that yes or no I'm unaware of that and by the way ACC an according you aware hold an accord and also quotes the Le Simon s that demonstration should be made okay I'm thr another name talking about this rally let me ask you something question what was the question posed to rim Ki there two conflicting letters granted agreed what was the question poed sir K kesi how is the rally described do you know does it say in that letter that this rally on this day shouldn't go to what is what was the question that was asked do you know I I'm just thrown by the letter that I have I don't have the information I wasn't in the room the letter say what question was asked to do you know what the question were you there in the room as well I'm I'm asking you I'm asking you a question were you are you aware of that I'm asking you I'm I'm ask you're telling me that you know that there're two conflict land you have the correct one some Cur no I didn't say anything about the correct one I just answer your question you said that letter coming out against this rally I asked you a question do you know the question that was asked keski to which he answered no rally obviously the question was posed to him about this he It Was Written oh it was what why is that keski of the Russian of Philadelphia wrote after been asked by many people I'm reading on to quote to you from yiva world.com the r hold on hold on the Russa Philadelphia which he wrote after being asked by many people if they should participate in a sopore organized anti-israel rally Manhattan scheduled for this Sunday in the letter of keski says that he received a letter this morning signed by the where he affirmed that the position of should not be made since there is no them but people should increase Torah right okay so now he said should not be made now let me read you a letter uh from I'll translate in English as I'm reading he says that um it's a big Mitzvah that everybody should goes to this round that's taking place uh on this Sunday and um also kki said the same thing I asked him through his son exactly uh what the story is and he said that he agrees that we should do everything to make objections in um and this rally should be should happen now we have a conflicting letter could you Mr brener explain what the difference is between the two letters so that it's not a conflict more you know that these letters were written about 24 hours you know you have conflict Les you don't know what people have been saying but I'm just telling R ketki was asked that and let me ask you a question before hold on hold on let me ask you a question let me ask you a question before we break you've been trying to get lak with Yeshiva on board were you successful getting lake with Yeshiva on board of the demonstration today yes or no were you suc hold on were you successful in you mean on board particip okay to go participatory in the in the thing in the rally today participate not partic no it's that question is irrelevant that's not irrelevant question that's a relevant question because the discussion is you said people have come out again so if I've asked you tonight to you have not been a gave me a letter the fact that somebody doesn't want to participate doesn't mean he's against something there are plenty of reasons that com he quoted that he said no don't participate again again he said manki he said no no right to all rallies no rallies are good but he specifically about this rally and he said no to this rally and any other R including including this rally listen no no listen to me number one the coming he said no to all rounds including that he was ask specif about this one he said no to this understood understood he's the only one that has come out like that you said many Ras he's it that's it now spons all Ras have come out for it big deal is this the first issue that you're aware of that there are differences of opinion between Russia Yesa of course there always but if somebody but hold on but if you ask Russia Shiva like Lakewood and you ask them participate and they don't isn't that speaking volumes too no it depend why you're not participating at the end of the day are they participating about anything tell you but I'll tell you what we're going to let the hon the people listen no no no no no no no don't let anything please please bear with me I'm going to explain to you the difference between the two letters of R tki okay okay the that you're holding okay the letter that you're reading the letter that you're reading the letter that you're holding says haon is a bear the letter that I'm reading the letter that I'm holding says M are good you know the difference between a h do you know h means in Israel you the demonstrations that they've had yeah do you know what happens in that demonstrations in Israel do you know that do you know what happens in demonstrations do you think that we're going to be burning garbage cans do you think that we're going to be conflicting with the police no none of that is happening of course those have gone is a bad and if you ask to make ha especially do you know that that the last hun somebody wrote stuff put up posters and he wrote bad things about Steinman do you know that they they they dropped a a garbage can or something on police of course that's bad I understand that so saying don't do that that's nothing to do with what we're doing over here we're making a not a there's a big difference now I'm sure that one of the blond when they translate it they won't know the difference but there's a very big difference this is a peaceful without conflict without saying anything bad about anybody a United rally with sasma with B with bu with other lith nobody's going to be conflicting with any police this is not what they call in Israel no there's not going to be a violent demonstration nobody even has the thought over here that this is going to be a violent demonstration it's not going to be anything like any that took place in Israel about this it's not going to be like any of those and that's the answer between the contradiction and the letters of one says H the other says there's a very big difference and we believe M that what we're doing we're planning and um I'll give you very strong evidence that the difference I'm saying is true the letter that you're holding as I said doesn't say anything about the question that was post to high the question about demonstration and you find conflict when we come back we'll tackle that point our guest and you're here we're going to take your phone calls when we come back and have you Chim in as well is representing the central ble Congress organizer of an anti-israel draft rally taking place in Manhattan and fr Rob yaku Shapiro the spokesman sh weeder is the editor of their blun newspaper when we come back your phone call is at 22769 1925 you want to email us Z at talkline communications.com we're going to be right back [Music] don't a service of Salem Communications we have with us rako shapir the central Bal Congress is spokesman for the anti-israel draft rally taking place weer the editor of their blot and we're going to take your phone calls right now let's go go to Long Island Jeff and Long Island you have a question for our guest go ahead Jeff and Long Island um yeah I wanted to know um I think a wellknown fact that the state of Israel has been supporting the sheas for since practically since its Inception with a wild lot of money so SP saying that they're protesting against the draft and I think that it should be they should show a little gratitude to the state of Israel for giving so much money to theas and not protest against them like the way that they doing and we want to tackle that yeah sure um two things first regardless of what they've done in the past uh what they're doing now what they're going to do in the future uh the fact of the matter is that the draft is a bad thing it's a terrible thing and therefore we have a right to protest it the United States of America has done very uh wonderful things for very many people but certain times they do things that people protest and it's not a contradiction to anything else however I do want to say this we know that the state of Israel is founded on the uh idea of normalizing the Jewish people in fact more important than having a state a territorial um solution to what they called the Jewish problem was the normalization of the Jewish people the elimination of the gas Jew and replacing him with the new Hebrew and they've been trying for not 60 years since the beginning of Medina but even before that for about 100 years but certainly since the beginning of the Medina to change us into them bris said that theists don't want to Jews in order to make a Medina they want to make a Medina in order to the Jew they don't want to the Jews but anyway I thank you for your phone call okay continue yes okay and so we have okay says yes so you don't say you don't say rist but let me let me by the way hold on hold on we have to move a little FAS the pace because we have a lot of people and let me add by the way you that Bub is not participating in the rally just want to make that clear well and and there therefore the fish doesn't owe gratitude to the fisherman for giving him a worm we know why they're supporting the Shas why they supporting that's part of the process is that they they want control over the that's not why they that's part of the Electoral problem we have elected officials from sh where they're part of the thing you can call me Z Now by the way mat.com is reporting I disagree F you absolutely disagree with me I know you dis we're coming from different points of view I might add by the way that there's mav.com is posting a letter from the sons of Moran R Kan to confirm his opposition to the protest so you can say that I must remind you that that's the exact same letter that you read before and if you would have seen the letter You' see your talking about the same letter twice two people posted it the letter of Mor the sons of Mor confirming the letter that you read before and I agree I there's nothing to confirm it's yes did write that everybody agrees the question is is it applicable to our situation okay let's take some phone let's let's go a Yi Brock in Brooklyn Yi has been very very patiently waiting y you have a question for our guests go ahead pleas SK Bing Yi yesi quick quick we have a lot of people waiting to come on okay Z thank you very much for giving me the opportunity tonight with gratitude as president of the BL I would like to applaud and honor of ASM weer for being the first one to write about this problem in our weekly newspaper the blop and from that day he never stopped to his credit over 100,000 people will show up tomorrow's thetion be a huge K and credit is given when credit is due okay so be many of our listen are going to say it's going to be a just want you know I'm not I'm not done yet okay go ahead I also I also like to take it Glick director for s bam for his courageous decision past Wednesday afternoon to join with all of his repal members tomorrow's demonstration and Z let me tell you one thing to R shapo it smell the coffee you have heard this expression it smells like a dog it walks like a dog eats like a dog it's s It's s it's a s demonstration whether he likes it or not and it is anti-israel including the draft okay ra Superior you hear it directly a member of the the board of the blot the member of the community what it what you trying to say but if it if it looks like a duck and Walks Like A Duck it is a duck that's what you're saying okay Rabbi Shapiro so he's saying this is a s morale that's getting other people involved which is what we've been saying all along that's it's the fine s morale please organized by the soer community both factions including the issue and they a sof morality that they're getting other people involved with nobody disagrees with that if that's how you want to Define it I know that they're organizing it I said they are however the motivation for coming there the reasons that people have to come there are equally valid the reasons are equally strong whether you're sasma or not if you're against the DFT you belong there and yes s's against is there no question about and the people that are going to be there the Lish of this I'm St probably against Israel too I would imagine I mean well imagine anti-israel it's but that's not the topic but you're changing your topic because orig you said it's anti- dri I say they're anti-israel but okay no that's not true don't don't don't please you said that you said you just said right now they're probably anti-israel the people probably are but the protest is not the topic is not the existence of Israel the topic is the Dr the people probably are I said it then and I'll say it now she's saying the people are going to be coming and to be anti-israel primarily is what probably are not probably 101% this let me make it very clear to you so this is an antira rally is what these are let me finish these are the people by these are the people who have been doing it for the last 60 years came out in New York City demonstrating whether it was where was all the problem s we had with Israel now it's the draft but it is a anti-israel which this whole demonstration was created [Music] by and as the of the blood he brought his first problem out in the newspaper and to his credit the 100,000 people or more will show up tomorrow is because the blot was the first one who made a way of this problem and it's K the TOA and the people are coming or the on who believe in no thank you for clarifying and making clear what the purpose of the rally is today thank you good hello this issue I me clarifying and making clear when I said it it's just somebody saying it he's clarifying and making clear no he but he's saying that that you said that it's an cling he's disagreeing with me that's clarifying so what he says it comes to Seth thank you clarify like this issue I agree with Rao and I disagree with okay let's see what everybody else has to say let's go to Lakewood New Jersey thank you for waiting Lakewood New Jersey I believe it's Usher and Lakewood you have a question or comment for guest go ahead Usher are you there from Lakewood if not we'll go to Dena in Manhattan okay Dena in Manhattan uh your turn to speak to Our Guest go ahead Dena Manhattan yes go ahead hello you're on the air go ahead oh yes oh hi I just wanted to say I just I'm just really so upset um I just feel this is anti- Torah um and this is reminds me of just a couple of weeks ago we read the para about the spies going into the drill and coming out and speaking badly is I think this is so anti Hashem Torah and I'm so disappointed in my fellow Jews that we not trying to come together why us have a conference rent a hotel room let's talk about this civil instead of screaming and yelling what does the Gentile World think of us when we can't even get our own ass together and what about the poor Israelis who who are fighting every day for their lives um and to maintain the Jewish state what about them I just just these people you know with all the respect they sound so arrogant and uncaring of a fellow Jew a fellow life and I just find it very I'm going to let our guests respond too because interest of Tomas right they please be to the point we have a lot of people calling we have a lot of emails to get to on the first question I will ask sh weer about making this kind of a conference in a hotel room what is happening now in the state of Israel is some reformer woman are trying to come to the Cel and um and pray and it was the leading rushi shivas that called for a protest they didn't say please come to B and make a confererence they it come out come out with dropes at front of the cotel and make a protest and that protest last time was by throwing chairs and even maybe X on the police and on the woman from the the sh Hotel so why did you understand that you are allowed to make a [Applause] protest in you cannot do it here okay she hung up but we appreciate let me read you an email that came in it should be stated re Shapiro is a nephew of the L sop re of your old title B and used to visit a Williamsburg he gave a strong speech to Miami Beach this past summer and a memorial there where the re's yorai was observed he for years been trying to promote a sere type of anti-zionism among the litvak Yesa world he doesn't represent the mainst litvac opinion two you should mention the program demonstration is AIC event with speaker speaking in Yiddish with small exceptions the should be aware of this and not fall into trap being used by Soper their allies for the propaganda purposes Rabbi Shapiro your response [Music] um I'm in Grand nephew the S through his wife um I'm not Sak I don't have any Sak in hug and I um I never once um as far as what do you say s world trying to engage the lital world in anti-zionism to promote the Satur agenda this is what the Emer is is pling whoever El this is not aware of what the satma agenda is there is a idea out there that anybody who anti- Zionist must be and that's where this guy's coming from the fact of the matter is it's not true as far as the the the um mainstream L World speaking tomorrow at the um rally will be there than to Hill him I think these are very mainstream people none of them are Sak by the way no they not actually because there was a kid who learned there many years ago who's a grand nephew the sarba and actually Z Bren has a shus with Saka because 35 years ago when he had a atian store on Avenue J he had a customer who was a grand nephew the S well I had an acian store I did know but I had an atici store in Staten Island by the way was Avenue Jane 14th Street no no 15th no no when I had that was no but I had one in sta Island about 30 some years ago but listen I I listen I'm a big fan of the S community and both sides on this issue I think we're going to disagree Florida on a hpit on the S now I don't represent anybody except myself but the idea that only sakas against Zionism is something is a propaganda that's perpetrated by many many people and anybody who went to any mainstream youa knows it's not true but wrote that email certainly didn't but by the way I might add that Bub of you said before is going to particip is not participating bills I'm getting emails told you that is bub somebody somebody said Bubba was particip did not participate I'm just making it clear for the who told you they're not I'm getting some emails that Bubba is not participating who you're getting emails so you're you're tell me officially bub and bills are officially participating bills there's two bub do you know which Bubba you got an email from and you're getting emailed so hold on so so I'm asking you hold on so you tell me are both bubs participating in your rally no I got here's a thing my information over here which I get from the organizers of the the rally is that bells and at least one bub of is participating now you get an email that says no and suddenly becomes fact hold on so you're telling me one bub one bub of VI and one bub send you that email I'm asking you a question did both saying one is not is BS parti I B's said did not yes yes particip okay fine so you're that's why I'm asking you the question you're telling me bills and partip you get an email that I'm answering you a question try to things around has participated then you can announce that is leg but but you tell me leg with has you tried getting leg with but you failed in getting leg with the par I sent you an email that like was participating then you'll say it is you know what it's the fact that you tried very hard to get L with to participate and you didn't get them on board your organization from what's the difference your organization and let's get where are you getting your information from isid participating you you met with lakid you met with the like are they participating yes or no in the rally no are they hello okay let's let's take some more phone calls and let's see if we can get some other people hearing what they have to say let's go to doy in Long Beach New York doy and Long Beach New York are you there doy and Long Beach Doby yes Dolby you have a question for our guest yes I'm I'm here and I'm just letting you know from yes I'm in a pretty I'm pretty big Yesa now I don't know as far as the politics aspect of it I just know one thing there's nobody in the ISA world as far as all my friends as going to this Rally or they're not going to this rally thinking this rally is the anti-israel rally now the the people that are running the rally could be the an Israel but under this uh rally of from older men section of kol everybody's just coming for one reason that's what I feel for anti the okay so so are you going to the rally are you going do are you going to the rally with members of youra tomorrow my Isa is not going to the rally no okay are you going to the are you going to the rally I'm not I'm I have to follow does okay I just I just want one thing that means they they their they have their AB they have their re they follow and they have their things they do now just because we come together doesn't mean all sudden we all agree to everything they say and do we have our M they have their M but to this one thing is the publicid they were just going against the rally about drafting I don't understand how they got ever got born up proportion you know I have hundreds ofam you know that we're all on This Together anti the draft it's not anti that mean if the organizing that means also all the hundreds of people out there that's what advertising anti Israel well that's what's being portrayed is that they're organizing the rally so they have an agenda which is broader you have some that participant that may be just anti theft but certainly they're the ones that putting it together I appreciate your phone call we're going to take a break and we come back we continue our conversation we'll take your phone calls at 212 7691 1925 212 7691 1925 you want to email us it's Zev at talkline communications.com hashley and Brooklyn you have a question for our guest go ahead hashley and Brooklyn good everybody have great guests I wanted to say that how come they don't draft the Arabs you know they talking about fair treatment they don't draft the ads but yet they trust the ads be the canet as well as the Supreme Court and there's that one k Jew who a judge in the Supreme Court why is that first first of all there's some Arabs that there's certain Arabs MERS that do serve in the Army and there's talking about also more national service and we didn't talk about the the gist of what the debate is in Israel is not just drafting the Army it's also talk about national service and that's something which um is the part of the debate in Israel no they're cutting the families yet they won't cut the AR that they're afraid to cut they give the J they give him $100 million doar to give him all that money but the poor little from ye we has to suffer he has to suffer well listen this issue has not been adjudicated it's going through the procedures right now so in a way this is premature because we don't know how it's all going to turn out at the end because there's still a lot of discussion back and forth they're debating it has not been finalized in law I wanted to tell shapir what he has to do is tell the Israeli government that half of3 billion dollar that comes to America to go to the SE this because we ordered us Jews votes for the politicians that support Israel the secular all voted for Obama but we religious Jews we're the ones that the reason Israel get $3 billion a year half of it belongs to the ERS there's no question there's no question about it um Israel countries that for themselves Israel lives off American money they they don't want that theim should be schoras they're the biggest schnor country in the entire world they would survive 3 weeks without United States of America money never you're right 100% it's like unbelievable so anyway thank you for your call we're going to move on let's go to Lake with New Jersey I believe we have Westgate uh New Jersey you have a question for our guest go ahead please go ahead please you're on the air yeah um St I just wanted to I'm I'm bucker learning in um DMG okay so you you ke keep mentioning that lakewood's not going to the to the rally against the draft but I just want to say it's not not true at all me and hundreds of my friends are going and we're not going because we're against Israel I'm definitely not against Israel my sister is going to Birthright this summer The only reason we're going is because of the I know that if I was in Israel a b learning in Israel and I would be forced to go to the Army I would not want to have to go so to show our support to these B that they shouldn't have to go we're going to show up there's buses being going from Lakewood I know a lot a lot of people people from lwood are going to the rally against the draft because we don't want the bu to have to be drafted we need we need their learning and uh that's the whole reason we're going organized by say is not true so forget about it you're 100% right listen re shapir you know what you and by the way is by the way the buses from Lakewood will be leaving between 2: and 2:30 Forest Corner North Lake Drive is going to be $15 a round trip so please the B from Lakewood come and bring your friends if more as as possible now by the way in Lakewood are they is it is it rashash Shiva saying to go or not to go what are they saying Riva Thea is in Mexico right now so he's not coming but he didn't say we shouldn't go he said everyone should do what they would like whatever he said he has his reason I can't question my revi but he said everyone could do what they like I personally asked him if I could go he said you could do what you like I'm definitely not telling you not to go that's all he said now that means that you can can go if you feel that you want to go because I have a a cousin who's one of who will be drafted if this goes into effect and I don't want that to happen so that's why I'm going and hundreds of my friends I know hundreds literally hundreds are going to be coming some of them from BMG some of them from many of other Yas and L because you have to show your support to the B they're like us that's the whole we're okay I appreciate you Funk well thank you here's an email question ask your guest if he advocates for the Ked Community to urge the United States government to cut foreign aid for Israel if they implement the draft I haven't thought in the slightest I'm sorry I have not thought about that question in the slightest okay and what about you sh and we're thinking some other measures to take one of them to have a meeting with the lead leading rabbis ronam to call a boycott on Israeli products if God forbid the legislation goes through and they're gonna gonna try to draft inforce our B toas we're going to talk to the rabbis we're going to discuss it they're they're going to discuss it and it's a possibility it's a possibility that if they're going to put our Yesa in jail by refusing to be drafted in the Army a boycott could be called out on the entire on all Israeli products second of all it's a possibility it belongs for the to discuss we could call for a a ban to travel to Israel for one year or two years till they're going to retract their plan but nothing is sure it's something it's a possibility so we going we we will not sit still we're going to do everything in our capability to help out our brothers in Israel they shouldn't be drafted in the Israeli Army you're listening to talk line over wmca 570 a.m. wjpr 1640 a.m. in Highland Park in Edison New Jersey online talkline communications.com and our 24hour day listen line 21241 94213 extension number one okay let's got a Leia in bar Leia in very patiently what waiting L and BP your question for our guest go ahead lay and BP hello yes go ahead you have a question I'm sorry go ahead you have a question for our guest yes you have the wrong name that's okay go ahead um it's frankly this is very embarrassing for those people that are speaking out especially you two guests I Cann help believe some of the things that are saying firstly the fact is Israel could survive without $3 billion that's a known fact and it's been a known fact for the past 20 years the economy is doing very well uh and frankly the more he shouts the more he talks loudly doesn't necessarily make him right secondly there are is not one American politician that would say that we should stop giving Israeli Aid if this thing went through I can't think of any politician especially in the that would say you know what we're not going to give Israel 2 billion or 3 billion and thirdly the reason why they're giving the money $3 billion most of it goes directly into military uh uh product and Military uh service and the fact is that if a lot of it went to Yesa B then Israel Israeli milit uh Power would would diminish in Israel and frankly I I had to laugh when your guest was arguing with you Z Brer about whether you own a store in bar park or not and that was one hood of an argument maybe he got an email about it yes I mean that was the most ridiculous argument and it makes as much sense and he's he's right about that in the same way that he's right about all the other things he said I mean and frankly the is precedent for buam going to the front lines year thousands of years hundreds of years ago but from going to the front lines and learning with the soldiers when they didn't want to fight or didn't want to join the military so I would ask your guest if he would allow Yesa B going to the front to learn with their military comrades not to fight but to lure on the front lines would that be okay with him anybody want to tackle that what purpose what what purpose would that serve what purpose would that serve there would be serving and at the same time there would be learning on the front lines Why is would not be affected morally learning on the front lines serves I'm not it on the front lines there would be would be physic for for the people in the military it was done years ago okay it was done years ago in in in the P Army in certain areas was done so I'm asking you if it for physics for the soldiers you complain about the morality you complain about the moral of the soldiers and the what is going on in the military he excuse me I'm not trying to understand why was this done they took a guy with a gamarra and just put him on the front lines with no gun no nothing would you want first of all it wasn't many people did not know necessarily not know nothing there are many people in the military that are big L what are you talking about I have cousins in the military they've know how to learn as well as anyone in yba what are you talking about and secondly hold on one at a time let the let the call go ahead okay you now you can respond cuz he finished what he had to say now you can I'm not sure I understand the question what you're asking is would we take guys with goras and just take them out of Bas put them on the front line not give them a gun that's not your question just let them sit and learn in a dangerous place in the front line for why we be learning with the comment in arms that would be learning with with soldiers when there was no fighting or there was Duty or whatever it whatever they the Army no our our guys are not going into the army so in other words if you have a nephew who knows how to learn he's in the front line probably he has a friend also that knows how to learn so why don't they learn each together why do you need to pull out somebody from Thea to go to the front line or your nephew just the only one who knows how to learn because there are certain people that don't learn as much at the front line these people would be a it was done thousand hundreds of years ago these people would be a to those people that don't learn those people that do learn a little bit and those people that learn a lot these people would be a and also their mind would be on the learning and at times whether it was a brief break whether it was in war or not in war these people would be learning you know as well as I do that in the Israeli Army there are people learning whether they're on duty or off duty there are times that they learn so even even so even when there is no fighting or even when there is fighting there have been many people that have gone with gar they have gone with the kasham they have gone with their mtis and they have learned on the front line so I'm asking you could they do what they did years ago they this this president for this in K's Ro they did this years ago many that to those people that were F anyway anyway you made your point on that very you made your point we're going to move on we have a lot than you raise a good point let's go to Le and BP very patiently wait waiting Le and BP your question or comment go ahead lay in B Park yes with all due respect to you uh Ze I listen to you many times and I call you many times usually you call a guest and you let him speak on the topic Pro against whatever whatever side what to guest and you let the people call up and say they're for what he's saying or against what he's saying here you seem to be putting every time it comes to Israel you seem to be putting your own personal thing I know you're aist and you have every right to be whatever you want to be but are you and I wanted to ask you something else are you against or for drafting a Yesa B into the army well first of all going the fact that you're able to call in and we invited our guests on the program we have all different perspectives on the year Rabbi shapir a little comp right and Rabbi shapir is being a little combative tonight and I'm being combative in response with all due respect we have a that a lot of hold on one at a time let let Leia speak go ahead Leia yes we have a com that announces the news is for people that maybe don't listen to the radio or don't have internet or whatever it is and people call up it said that buzs and bells and closenberg and S and this one and that so you start sidetracking him is this bub of coming is the other bub of coming is that s do you think they're going to speak after this is not a topic about if the two SAS are going to speak if the two bubs are going to sit next to each other if the two clothing works are going to look at each other this is a matter of dra ask thing are Yeshiva Boys that's the whole K of Cl is the Yeshiva Boys learning in Yesa are you for it or against it why can't you answer that question listen they're right now they're in the and I actually been in the Israeli Army we I've giving out and I've come across in the army that serve there and you want to know something if those B want to serve they should be allowed to I believe that there's going to be some compromise that's going to happen at the end of the day I don't know what the numbers are going to be about a compromise I'm ask you are you for taking boys Bo into the army yes or I think that a certain percentage of them should serve in the Army has to be worked at half when I met with the head of Shas by the way he agreed that there there should be a certain amount of kedi boys in the Army the number to be determined well whoever agrees that they should be there let them go and whoever doesn't want to go and they're sitting and learning there now let me ask you a question what would be so bad that agreed to go go and by the way I don't think that it's wrong to have if a bck is 22 23 which is part of the process if they want to do some sort of national service helping out in the communities what's so bad if they help out in their communities I want to tell you something if you're talking about satma all night or both satas this satma three satas two satas or whatever it is I want to tell you something just looking at satma I hear that the S people do not take money from the government so if anybody could say anything at any time they should be able to say anything because they're not taking any of the help from the government not for the achiever not for the girls girl schools anything so really you cannot demand for them to be drafted before you take everybody else who's taking money from them so and and and second of all I just wanted to say that komasa just reported I was listening to komasa and they said BS and bubb and satma and closenberg and a whole bunch of other all are endorsing this thing and this is not just uh he just doesn't say his own uh thoughts or meaning like you're taking a phone call say oh somebody said brother's not coming then oh I got an email something's not coming this one's not coming that was he just said a whole bunch of places that are coming no question a whole bunch are coming and by the way Soper from the very beginning both so we said at the beginning of the program that they both are coming you were trying to Sid step everything say are the re going to talk to each other this that's a legitimate question this has to do with their getting together about something that's very important that they're both against it nothing but you will admit though that as far as the draft is concern I know the ratings this sounds very but but but you know but that's part of the process because it took the state of Israel to get them together on this particular issue you know what so every every B thing sometimes has you're not right brought them together rash can brought them together so please stop with this argument but but the state of Israel certainly brought them together in this particular issue are together point out zev's false statements you're being combative and you're being you aren't being combative tonight that we already told you that this is not the first time they got together why are you insisting it is I didn't say the first time right now I said to this the state the fact Israel that is the fact is is the state today's rally you're going to have both them participating because of the fact that together how often they get together you gave me two examples no no no no you said the state of Israel state of Israel to get them together that is not true and we told you it's not true but made blumberg it's not the state of Israel it's made of Bloomberg and it's the health department of the New York City okay let's take some more phone calls I believe mosa from Bor park has been very patiently waiting mosa is is that you mtion BP hold on I think it's a mosha in borrow part so let's see if it's mosha go ahead your question or comment go ahead please oh yes good evening she told my son a little bit later but my question to to RAB Shapiro and RAB weer if the state of Israel decides tonight that they will not dress boys from sou or people that don't take money from the government they are ex they do not have to join the army people that don't take money don't have to go into Army will they call off the protest no no the protest is not against drafting satma people it's drafting any Shiva guys you want to show them that hey the was right deliv was right and that's what the pro is about to show that the was right agreed to that no actually it's not about yeah you know that will never be in the Army the is doesn't want something in the Army there will be a compromise this it's about money the Argan tell every at the end of the day people who don't take money from the government will not have to go to the Army that's what it's all about they want to get know they want that's what it's about they don't want in the Army you know that you're listen what he said about the bris if you would be listening to him they're going to try to the each and every Jew belare no difference how they going to try to demoralize them by pulling you into the army I I spoke to uh from that his brother was in the he said the language there the atmosphere everything it's like a secular disc I mean even you have a she in the morning maybe one or two people sitting learning it's a it's very very bad for to go there even in the soal I'd like to answer by the way I met some people from n they've been very proud and very successful n Go ahead RAB Shapiro the IDF put out a magazine issue of B you and the IDF then you know it's a monthly magazine they put out they made a special uh series for the K uh soldiers if you take a look in that magazine that it's yes the language could be bad and so on and so forth but there's something worse they they inculcate the soldiers with the ideas that uh uh uh nationalism is what's going to save the Jewish people that the state of Israel not the not the the state of Israel is what makes us strong and a strong Army is what a strong Israeli Army is what uh you know where do you know this from because have you been in the Israeli Army have you been to the bases okay I've been to the Bas and I can tell you there's a lot of religious soldiers in the bay there's a lot of learning going on there's there's a lot of I I that doesn't diminish the accuracy of what said no because it doesn't it proves what you're saying is not correct I'm not saying that I didn't say nobody says that if a guy goes to the Army he's guaranteed not to put on sill in again not at all I have three guys who I know who I spoke to today the former Israeli Army members and they're all from I'm not saying that I'm saying the hash that they teach that they inculcate people with in the Israeli Army are against what these boys have learned all their lives where do you get that from because I spoken to a lot of the H she was and lot of people in the Army and they're going to tell you something completely different that they're living no no no I agree with you you're tell me Israeli listen Z the Israeli Army hasus that they teach match perfectly with the heads of the yeshivas not with the that's the problem I agree with you and that's why you havei which is a separate Union in the Army which I've met some of them too no but even in that separate unit again read their magazine uh the cover has two guys and it says lro hadel to answer the call of the flag read the magazine and you'll see what they're inculcating themselves with that people it changes their their state of mind change their state of mind to do what how does it change the state of mind to do what not to do not to do their values what what guarantees the continued existence of clist what role the state of Israel in the IDF play in in in clal in the history of the Jewish people they're being taught one thing and the army they teach them something completely different and what are they teach them in the army that that you have to have a belief in an army that you have to serve in the Army what are they teaching them they're teaching them that the state of is a strong state of Israel and a strong Israeli Army is what guarantees the future existence of the Jewish people and that our strength our strength is what uh wins Wars for us or I'll give you an example of what they and even when they speak about God give you an example of what one of their generals has said it said yes the Lord can even save can save even a few but these few need strong arms and legs and must use all their might to climb a crawl to get their right you need you have to do it by the way even if okay you need you need you need the wherewithal to do it you can't just rely if you're going to fight an enemy you have to can't you have to Dove and and shoot a gun the wherewithal is not a with God that's wrong that's not you you could believe that I don't know what I don't know what the right you're picking on your one you're telling me about an email you're picking one writer for a magazine that represent tting around you want just give me a number how many what how many examples do you want of such things where where where the leaders of Israel have uh portrayed their own role in Jewish history and their Army's role in the survival of the Jewish people or even their states role true or false didn't Netanyahu say recently that he's only going to make peace with the Arabs what if they recognize that Israel is the nation state of the Jewish people that's right Israel so what's wrong with that but but I'll tell you why because Jews do not have a nation state we are a religion not but we currently have a state we currently have a state a nation state no a nation state is what makes the nation a nation without Italy there will be no Italians without France there'll be no French the nation state means without Israel there's no Jewish Nation that's not what he said Nan that's not what netan said you're taking out of con but I don't want to no it's not true Israel is not the nation state of the Jewish people that's look Google it nation state that's what it is has a respect for Torah in Jud in fact I believe his son won Theon if I'm not mistaken but let's take that's part of the problem they they they part of the Zionist philosophy and again give me any number and I'll give you any number of examples of where this where they have said this themselves they they believe that in golus the Jewish people um became broken they became the G Jew they are bringing them back to the age of tanak where was a was a fighter was Conan the Barbarian and SCH was T of the Apes and the rabbis in in in the days of the tal after the Rebellion which by the way they tell the kids that ler celebrates the Baka Victory serious in all the public schools in Israel and in the army that after the Bak Victory Jud Jewish people went out of history and they became broken they became so Jewish and they're bring they now finally have a state and we're bringing back Judaism or the jewishness rather to where it was where it belonged tanak Nota because tanak without you know we're getting Sid stepped and and and again you're bringing up what is I may we can argue we can argue about I you want to get in theological discussion we'll get into theological discussion but IAL reasons of why we're against the draft you're against because you're anti-israel you're anti the state you're anti the state of Israel want to bring in to show them that they like satman now here's an email question both satman Rees were in the room concerning the matisa B they not even shake hands nor owledge each other in fact there are several Court proceedings between the two going on so this is a farce it's just a show and tell to attract people to attend the rally this what an email so want to respond to the email go ahead go ahead yes there is differences and things are being worked out we hope we hope soon to be hearing some good news because both sides are sitting together and they're going to come out hopefully with a solution and things is going to be much better and better now um with is the one who brought together both tler rabit on the one roof now whatever they're doing or not doing I'm not saying they shook hands or didn't shake hands and I'm not saying they're going to shake hands tomorrow tomorrow we're going to see a couple of 100 dignitaries other from all congregations Yesa not all but from many many congregations and yeshivas and they going to come out in force to protest the plan to dra our here's another question you said before about if the draft does take place about what should be the response here they want to know if um would you also hook up with the folks in America that are anti- divestment and what about K product would that be boycotting Israel that's an email question coming in as well um I'm not ashamed to answer you I don't know what is anti anti- divestment what is that there's a group in the United States of people who are that want to devest they want to buy any Israeli products they want America and different countries to devest from buying products from the land of Israel so that's what the going to be done by the rabbis if it going to be the the solution probably it wouldn't probably wouldn't go together with them it's going to be a separate a separate band but it's up to the rabbis and whatever they're going to tell us we're going to listen and basically speaking that uh you were you would be boycotting you'd be looking if the rabis say you can foresee being a boycott is what you said before correct okay we are taking your phone call of our final stretch when we come back uh we're looking at a rally an anti-israel rally that's scheduled for later today our guest is RAB yaku our final stretch and let's let's go here's an email question for you gentlemen anyone who lives in Israel benefits from the governor regardless if he takes money police rdf lights flushable toilets and mail no one calls the a the when a terrorist is in town so the say don't need to service because they don't take any money is a bad argument you want to tangle that gentlemen okay yes there's a lot lot of our people living in the state of Israel before the state was established now the state was established against their will they were living in peace before the state of Israel even was established and unfortunately when you say you were living in peace hold on hold on you said that they were living in a state of Peace you mean there was no killing of Jews by Arabs before 1948 there was no prgram 1929 in Kone or anything like that was but only after instigation of the Z people in Israel no they were not killing Jews 1800s mid 1800s Zionism started not 1948 the 1930 the ha already existed B for declaration in 1917 I suggest you read a book called Jerusalem 1913 by a woman Amy dxer Marcus she want a p p surprise for it it describes that in that the year where the Arabs okay go ahead okay hello hello yeah go ahead uh okay so the question is right the G went and um he said that it's a wonderful place for Jews and the Arabs are a peaceful people the have a terrible terrorist of the animal no question about it but the antagonizing that design is did again read Amy by the way may may I suggest you read am we're I read backwards and forwards wonderful wonderful nothing to do with what I'm saying what does I have to do it has to do with it negates your anti-zionism that's what it has to do with yes it absolutely does absolutely does did you ever read it what does it say in the first chapter say the name read the first chapter about I don't have the book in front I can go get it I don't have in me right now you know anything about it you're just mentioning so let me tell you something nowhere in name does it mention anything about creating a state of Israel he talks about yeah I know I'm a you said but which is quoted in one of the additions in says was far from being a Zionist he discusses this completely different topic about the settlements the colonies it's a different issue not a state but he wrote he died before the state actually came on but he gave a basis for the state and and he was vilified for that as he was vilified for that too by the way State he argues why the nonreligious can build a state and why they even today yes he does come on he told about how he talks about the how the messia can come from non-religious people from people that are considered some goes through the whole thing he doesn't talk about a state he talks about he doesn't he talks about the building they talk about the building of AR and when he died the state was not formed he was talking about the fact that non-religious people including anti-religious could be the harbinger to bring msia to come that's what he writes in this book fine i z z z I understand what he says but number one he doesn't discuss having a state having a hard ringer anti anti-religious it's a different issue all together if you you're you're you're saying that Amad at least know what they hold at least I'm familiar with I am familiar with what the position is now what I want to do now let's take a couple of phone we're almost near the end of the program a lot of people waiting to speak to you to let's go a mosha in the and I don't mind they doing another show about the anti-zionism there was even a rebi um who is called the reev yam shimo because he himself changed from being anti-zionist to Zionist we'll cover that in a future broadcast let's go to M Bar Park you have a question for our guest mosa if you're not there we're going to go to Muny New York okay Muny New York you have a I believe it's more High m you have a question for our guest go ahead Mony hello I was strong point that the beginning wanted um to vmg um he wants him to attend and they spoke and AD said clearly that he wants that when he he agreed to come to the poest at the beginning um I can't prove it but some some the AR from fromour and clearly said title bomb that this is going to be anti-zionist anti-zionist rally and we're going to say clearly that we are not only against the draft we are against the whole thing and the of the said is very clear a lot of times he opposed A lot of times T tests that are not um direct against the state of Israel the oppon such retest because he wants because he because it's according to him it's a if you don't say that you're against state of Israel can I respon go right ahead yeah I'm not familiar with the conversation between the r anded the a few months I I understand I I can't talk to that because I don't know but I will tell you the the's position on this yes it's it's true that he said that you need to mention at these rallies that nobody should think that because you're protesting the events be it the pool in Jerusalem be it the drafting of women be it now the drafting of men you cannot give the impression that you're for the state of Israel and that you're only against exus because that would indeed be AEM and what we need to do is we need to tell the world he says if you'd like to look it up we need to tell the world that the state of Israel is a totally secular State and doesn't represent the Jewish people because we Jews are blamed in the eyes of the world for the acts of the state of Israel he wants us to distance ourselves from that and to tell the world you know what we don't want credit for what Israel does and we don't want blame for what they do they don't represent us it's in and in the the IG maharit in the back there's a transcript about he had about the uh between while he was organizing the protest in 1958 but he also never made a protest unless there was an event to tie it to be it the the um the pool in Jerusalem or be it the the drafting of women or whatever it is they never had never made randomly an anti-israel rally of course he was anti-israel fine wonderful I agree with him uh but the the and and and the B the point of the protest was he said yeah you need to make sure that people understand that it's not merely the event that you're against however the protest itself definitely is tied to a specific event so by this protest are you you're going supposed to say that you're anti-israel you supposed to speakers say I'm sure somebody will say some let me respond a couple weeks ago there was a protest in Isel called and not a single word was said that they are against the existence of the state of Israel now is are the leading rabbis of the sou and they understand as much or more than M from was to say at a pro at a protest of not not a single word was said about of Israel they were disagre certain things in the video also okay in the earlier years know noers and if you want to do it none of of our leading rabbis ever came out saying that idus went away from the was from the de oil now you you cannot say that at least you have one Rabbi with you that would put in writing saying that left the ways of the now there was a protest couple weeks ago and will repe not a single word was set against the state of Israel and not a single word was s against the religious party in the K so let me so let me let me get clarification and Rabbi Shapiro let me get clarification so tomorrow's rally which is today's rally is there going to be an anti-israel speech made as well is that part of this what's going to happen today no it's it's not part of the agenda if somebody mentioned something I don't know I have no idea but it is not on the agenda it is not part of the purpose of the rally in the slightest if somebody asks me um I not I'm the spokesman if somebody asks me I'm going to tell them just like I told you that it's against the draft if somebody asks subsequent to that one of the newscasters or something or whoever well are you people against Israel do you believe the state of Israel is trying to schm so on and so forth I will answer truthfully that yes we are but this rally as you heard from that kid from like with that called anybody that's against the draft has equal purpose and equal reason to be there here's an email question please don't allow the stopar to stipulate you that they don't take money from the state of Israel they absolutely do what did not talk taking is funding for the isas individuals and families are taking money just like everyone else so they shouldn't act if they're not taking any money and they don't want to participate in the draft they should not be given that money that's what yon writes okay y's entitled to his opiniones privately money you cannot prove it but if theas are are loudly rejecting money it's aish hasem and this is the way RAB teached us and this is the way teached us and this is the way the Pres RAB teaches us and we're going to stick to it there are two reasons not to take money from Israel according to the different number one there's a mystical thing about a person's uh uh character a person's Essence is tied to his money but number two much simpler that we don't want to be bounds to them very simple we don't want to be bounced we want to be independent we don't want them to control us we don't want them to have any control over us here's an email question B are you saying that this is a rally against n that R endorses please let him answer clear the answer is it's a it's a rally against the draft period the draft not anything else the draft so the answer is no it's against the draft let's go to another phone call let's go to yon I believe in brookin uh you've been waiting very patiently your question we're almost running out of time your question for our guest you're on the air okay if you're not there with your question let's move on to the next caller your quick question question or comment for our guest go ahead please yes your question go ahead please Williamsburg go ahead if you if you don't have a question we going to go to the next one 30 seconds you on the [Music] air okay let's go to the next caller okay you're on the air with a question for our guest go ahead please okay let's go to our next caller your question for our guest go ahead please yes you on the yes go ahead yon go ahead yeah I'm from Brooklyn yes your question your question go ahead please um Z okay hi good everybody good um I just uh I'm not s I'm not anti-is I've been to Israel this year along three times I by the way spoke with you at the G convent and uh I really don't hate to say and and I go a lot from Bar Park just put out my work you're so naive you're so one track mind you're busy with s all the time the whole thing over here is not against I mean it's not against and it's not against anybody it's against the dra against amican government will do it we'll do a protest against the American government as well don't don't me here the government mean the dra if you want to go to go do whatever you want you cannot take out of Yesa and tell him to go to the Army but by the way first of all what I said earlier is that this draft has not been finalized it's still negotia they're talking about not an 18 at 21 or 22 they're talking about an option of a draft or public service so it's not fairly characterized as being a DFT there's still a lot of issues to be worked out matter one at a time please rab Shapiro you wanted to say something RAB Shapiro details are 21 186 or 22 we're not going to tolerate a draft of yila guys period it doesn't matter and again I'll repeat it's much easier to stop something before it's implemented than after and by the way this shot's position is when I spoke with them is that they're willing to tolerate a certain number to be talked about now they talk about 1800 they're talking about a different number that's what a compromise was where certain amount would be and the rest wouldn't be what number it is if you don't want to go to the Army there's no there's there's no such thing that takeing you without your will there's no such thing and that's what a draft is about even in this country we used to have a draft too in Poland should be in Hungary should be the second world first world war so it's always the problem to take to to the military I'm about myself I have cousins over there afraid to be drafted there's no such thing taken without your will I don't I don't get it appreciate your phone call thank you so much we only room for one or two more phone calls so a quick question or comment go ahead please quick question or comment hold on okay if you're not there let quick question or comment okay go ahead please you your turn hello okay and we'll take let's take one more phone call okay you're on the air quick question or comment you're on the air yes Queen I guess sort of weing layup I trying to understand even though it could be that the people find their but if in this particular situation they keep repeating again and again that they have an interest in in in b not being drafted so that's something that clearly does not specifically app only to S so what why do you keep repeating the idea of being anti-israel forget about the personal opinion but but the that's the purpose of the specific rally is clearly for for something which is not anti-israel for anti-p specific thing that they're trying to do well first of all you heard your BR who member of the Community member even the blot board where he's basically said that let's call it what it is so it's being organized by that and by The Sovereign community so while officially it's regarding the draft but the agenda is anti-israel that's for the real purpose of making the rally to be against Israel that's why it's being done call he not familiar he wasn't at the meeting he he go against 10 people are telling you one thing you but you yourself said or somebody said that the slma Reby never had a rally against Isel they had it was a purpose was something attached to whether it was uh different events no no no no there's nothing attached to anything again the purpose of this protest is to protest the draft lit Fox are going to be there Rivas are going to be there you heard Buck from Lakewood are going to be there different types of cedm are going to be there please a little intellectual honesty stop saying this is a a satma anti-israel drift you make you're trying to marginalize it and you're trying to portray it as something that it's not please that well that's my opinion but you're saying differently and I'm respect here's an email your opinion about what why I'm doing something listen you know what's going on hold on but I read to you earlier in the program it's settled that's being given out by the S about attending to the rally which shows what the agend is I read it too early in theast to you I explain that t going to slap the zus in the face loely translated which is true I agree with the settle but I also say that it's against dri that settle doesn't count that if a b is not here's an email question if a b is not interested in learning can he go to the Army no not no okay let's no no no no no way three three reasons first of all you're not allowed to assist the state of Israel in any ways including fighting against Wars because the existence of the state of Israel is against the second of all the morality the Shas and so on is very bad over there and third of all is so combined all three together you're not allowed to go to to serve in the Army but this gentleman said he's not learning and why can't he join where they have a special division that's that was his question because I spoke to many members ofar they said please don't come in because you wouldn't go out the same way you came in as I explained even they teach things they try to inculate they try to change people against their education against their upbringing so here's an ear question they were forc soldiers were forced to listen to woman singing they were they were trying to walk out that wasn't that wasn't that wasn't that was by the way that that had the problem the difference wants to be for 2 minutes from and not listen to a woman is not 2 minutes from the from all the time the 24/7 from I think so if they're from all the time want to and they want to leave uh the place where a woman is sending thinking I'm sorry why weren't they allowed okay that's country that's the big deal for the country if the book are here singing a woman or not is this the country more safer when the and you know what I I agree with you that that they have to be more sensitive I think that's something to work on there that's [Music] something absolutely absolutely and so on and so on you think that this Army the the professionally run Army the problem is that it's a lack of sensitivity to the Jewish Community that's what you think it's sensitivity they need send them sensitivity training no no in that particular case there is a certain sensitivity that should have been inhered to and they didn't because if somebody says for religious reasons I object they should be exceeded to but what motivated them to what motivated a commander you know it was a commander at that particular event what motivated that you know I don't know the answer to that question you're assuming that it's not could be whatever their reason is I don't know even if it was it's something which has to be dealt with and I think the rabbis of the H yeshivas are dealing with that issue here's an email question so let's close down the Israeli Army have S and all those who are against the defending state of Israel and see how far it get them if not for the Israeli Army no Yeshiva would be able to exist I want to answer that because hold on let me hold on let me finish the let me finish the let me finish the question let me I'll let you answer here let me finish the question shman is allowed in Williamsburg to defend the sov communi why should Israel be any different from protecting themselves from people out to destroy them all the same non when youcover all an no matter what I want I want to answer all these questions the first question was asked to the K benan he said if you were the commander of the army would you arm them with guns or B this was his answer he said there was a a guy who whose wagon is driving in the snow and freezing it breaks down and he's stuck in the snow and his fingers are getting Frost bit now apparently the prevention for frostbite you stick your hands in the snow and I guess like an igloo it insulates he sticks his hands in the snow and it protects him from frostbite so he turns up to Hashem and he says thank you Hashem I'm so glad it's winter cuz if it wasn't winter I wouldn't have snow to protect myself from frost bites the moral of the story The ntial is if it wasn't for Israel we wouldn't need the protection thank got it you can have you can demonstrate in America because it's the strong state of Israel by the way that's why it gives you the affordability to do so no I don't believe that we were able to demonstrate we were able to demonstrate America without a strong state of Israel that's your opinion that's a opinion that's fine fine okay let's take some more phone calls we almost out of time we were going to present another seg we're going to try to let's go to Brooklyn and your question go ahead I believe M and Brooklyn your question good your question okay on the line yes you are yes your answer your question if now we're going to move on why do you say without the Army will not be in Israel that's not what I said what I said I said was without the state of Israel we would have a harder time in this country to hold our head high and have demonstrations such as the one that's taking place it's the fact that there's a strong Israel that affords us the opportunity here in this country that we could raise our heads high and we proudly could you explain that why what what does it have to do with Israel can you explain that please because Israel is a Haven for the Jewish people the fact that there's a strong Israel to protect us no Z that's not true to protect us I'm a Jew I'm an America tell me that and you know what I think about the state of Israel you're telling me that the reason I hold my head high is because of Israel the average Jew you you may you may be a bad example that because you have a different opinion regarding this but the average Jew is able to hold their head high in this country because there a strong Israel part of the problem that's part of the problem that to a Zionist the reason why they hold their head hard Crow as a Jew is because of Israel for me to me and the people who are going to be there tomorrow I hold myself High my head high as a Jew cuz I'm a Jew that's part of the problem and that's part of why the indoctrination in the Army is a problematic it's not indoctrination you get you can get it without the Army by the way because you know you can you can look at it you going to disagree with me but it's not I believe it's not the ass of the G but we're the as the Russa terim told me the other time so can I can I ask you something Z where do you know where the gor discusses do you know what means you know what Rashi says on it you just I'm challenging you I know the answer you're just paring words somebody told you you want to know something we're living we're living in a time when you have a l this gets a whole different discussion but the very fact that we have a strong state of Israel we have a state we have a media we have after 2,000 years that Jews God gave the opportunity forw to go back to what after 2,000 the problem is that is okay number one there's absolutely no basis for that that's just Zionist fantasies but but mean z there is a fact that there is do the opposite yes I not only do I disagree but after 2,000 years or could be 3,000 years it makes no difference we're still in gois and we're obligated to remain in goas the state of Israel does not negate that on the contrary it makes it worse but you were the one that said before that you don't want theological discussion so we're not going to get uhhuh go ahead okay so let's take some more phone calls from people and let's see who they have we have like literally 2 minutes because the show is coming to an end your question far yes your question faras yeah you put me in the home go go ahead you I put your home so you can answer your question what's your question quickly my question why is he so again s I'm not against sakur I said at the onset and I'll say it again I like both groups of sakur I have friends in both RAR ins side of Zan laes and they do tremendous amount of good work and have tremendous respect on this particular issue regarding the state of Israel a rally for I'm in a different position I disagree with with that position but if you notice that you disagree with everything has to wouldn't be resisting that stuff if it wouldn't be fit there wouldn't be what it wouldn't wouldn't be resisting this stuff at all well if the there wouldn't be a state that you would have a rally against it right no it's not so sure because it's be whole different all of them anyway we're out of time so let me just thank Our Guest because U you okay thank you for your phone call R I would like to make a conclusion that the buses will be leaving from Williamsburg Bar Park mon Monro Lakewood Flatbush M Kisco New square and there's going to be posters in each Community uh about the schedule of the buses please come out and droves participate and let our voice be heard and United voice that the entire American Jury is against the entire American Jury is not opposed to to to to what the take the draft that's taking place right you talking about first orthodo to Reg jury and then even tomorrow everybody will be there and come out strongly and let our voice be heard anyer editor of the blak spokesman for the central princial Congress organized at the rally we appreciate you being here with us and I'm sure we'll continue our discussion you very much you good thank you we hope you enjoyed tonight's broadcast this