Shimru - Keep It! Borer - Selecting, International Shabbos Project Learning Program

this tour class is brought to you by torahanytime.com welcome everyone welcome everyone to today's uh shimro International Shabbos project learning program we're continuing in the malachas we had a break last week and this week we continue we're up to the seventh Malacca the seventh malacha is the malacha of boire and as the mission Brewer writes in his Shabbos and as the review writes that uh they both say that if someone is not well versed in Shabbos then it is inevitable that they will be desecrating the Shabbos that uh statement applies to help more than it applies to any other malacha in other words when we talk about the absolute necessity of learning in all probability applies to hilco's Boyer more than any other malacha and the reason for that Rabbi ribiot writes is uh Boyer is virtually unavoidable basically buyer comes up wherever you may be whether you're choosing a pair of socks whether you're trying to set the table for Shabbos whether you're dealing with the pile of sparm there are so many instances where you would think that it seems uh innocuous and one could be encountering so for example you could have two people each one is peeling an orange one of them is allowed to and the other one is being makhalo Shabbos what's the difference the difference is that if you're eating the orange right away it's perfectly permitted to peel the orange you could even use a knife but to peel an orange for later use is a malacha of boiler you could have two women who are sorting uh silverware to set the Shabbos table one of them is permitted while the other one is violating in a surdy Raisa what's the difference if you have a pile of silverware and you're setting the table for immediate use not a problem if you're setting the table and you're going to go for a little spots here a little stroll a little conversation and then you're gonna eat it's boiler or there are many many examples you know for example uh Rabbi Ruby had actually printed a chart uh eating a cantaloupe or a watermelon removing the seeds of a watermelon can be and likely is you're eating chicken you're eating fish you want to take out the bones we're dealing with boiler you want to sort nuts or candies you're dealing with boiler you want to set a table from assorted silverware on a rack you're dealing with boyra you want to peel fruits you want to peel an egg again you're dealing with uh boiler um you played chess now why you would play chess I don't know but you're playing chess um and you want to sort the pieces you want to separate the White and the black that's a big No-No that we're dealing with byra so these are all issues that arise and one has to be know how to navigate these uh different circumstances now um by the way which seven in halacha is by refounding it's found in Simon Shin yud Tess the way you remember that is when you sit at your Tish so you can read it forward you could wear it backward you need to be aware of Hillcrest now uh where was sorting done in the mishkan after you would thresh and even though you would winnow and the wind would carry away some of the refuse they were still heavier refuse waste matter that remained behind with the herbs and these particles have to be removed to allow the herbs to be ground up and rendered into Power powder so the Pebbles they're too heavy you can remove the Pebbles with the sieve and they have to be removed by hand now let's talk about what what are what is the asmalaka what is the Toda and what are the isure durabanan the AV malacha is uh the rambam writes one who windows or selects even a dried fig the size of dried fig one is the Toda is if somebody is one who churns that's a total derivative of sorting or if somebody removes sediment from a drink that is a derivative of boy rare or might be sifting basically winnowing selecting sifting are identical so why are they considered three different Malachi says the rambam that any particular action that was in the mishkan is considered a malacha by itself okay now uh the rambam writes one who windows or one who selects these are from the average malacha therefore even though it's mutter to role malila is to husk kernels in your fingers but when you want to blow to separate you sep you do it with one hand with all your strength but you don't use a funnel and you don't use a large plate which are not the typical instruments used when it comes to uh selecting the typical instrument used is a sift or a sieve but zero you might come to use another or Aquarius if there are sieve you can't use a funnel or a large plate now one who strains residue from a drink it's a total of boiler or it might be sifting so therefore you're allowed to strain clear wine or clear water with um a handkerchief or a basket but you cannot make a Groove you cannot make a a cavity in the handkerchief because that's the way you do it during the week you're now to suspend a strainer the way you do during the week you might come to stream okay let us now um basically try to clarify the main principle when it comes to buy rare which is namely the three conditions that have to be met in order for for one to be able to select on Shabbos says the following three lines the rabbis taught you have different foods in front of you you have raisins you have peanuts you have cashews you could select and eat you could select and leave it so the Bryson begins you're allowed to the lawyer but don't select the inverter and if you do hives so this uh the this Bryce is a stero what we call Mineo Bay from the ratio to the safer the first statement of the braisa says your lattice select and uh you'll add a select and eat you're allowed to select and leave over and then the Bryce Ends don't select and if you do you're high of a carbonghata so what uh Vasquez over here what's going on over here so the gemara gives three answers and basically we're gonna see we hold of all three review says you could select and eat with your hand you could select and leave it over with your hand you want to pull out the raisins you want to pull out the cashews you could do it with your hand but with the funnel or a plate Leever you should not do because uh that is already using a utensil but that's not the usual utensil that you typically use says it's also to use a sieve or a sifter and if you do Yokai vacata so according to Rubio is if there are three levels to do with your hand you're good to go to do with a to do with a plate or a funnel that's an Instagram lest you come to sift with a sifter or a sieve which is a direiser so according to review yourself it's all about how you do it comes with Nuna you could take the good from the bad you don't like cashews you're allergic to cashews raisins you love raisins you're a raisin guy so you're allowed to take the good from the bad to eat you could take the good from the bad to leave over to take the bad from the good you're not allowed to and if you do in other words you're allergic to cashews you want to take out all the cashews so you're left with the raisins no that's a big No-No so according to Revel noon it's all about you could take the good from the bad you can't take the bad from the good and then abayu says you are allowed to be boy rare alter you're allowed to select La altar that doesn't mean for your friend alter that means immediately you're allowed to select for immediate use you could select to leave over for immediate use um however to select for later in that day that's like selecting for a storehouse and that's awesome so basically according to Rubio is safe it's all about do you use your hand or do you use a utensil according to rebham Nuna it's all about the good from the bad or the bad from the good good from the Bad is good bad from the good is no good and this says it all depends whether it's for immediate or for later for media it's good for later it's no good come to reshine him and the reshine him say that we pass can like all of the above and therefore by rare is only permitted if you meet the following three criteria with your hand says you could um select for immediate miyad the way I learned it in Yeshiva and the way it's like with your hand for immediate use the good from the bad got it with your hand immediate and the good from the uh bad by the way now what is considered rabbosai using your hand so it's interesting what about a knife a knife is not your hand or let's say you want to uh you have some items in a pot and you sort of want to use tilt over the pot and use the edge of the pot to sort of Select for you both of those things are considered your hand that is because they don't do any better of a job than your hand to peel an orange with a knife is permitted I but it's not with your hand it's not doing anything more than your hand can do to tilt over the pot and use the edge of the pot to so to speak select and to sift that's also like your hand because it's not using any it is not using your um it is not any better it is not no more proficient than your hand so again the only time borrowers permit is you use your hand for immediate use the food the good from the bad now why what is the logic of these three criteria either your lattice select or you're not not allowed to select why do we allow you to select if it's the good from the bad use your hand and it's for immediate use comes Rashi and Rashi says that to use your hands is according to review yourself because it's not comparable to boy rare and you're not going to be if you use your hand because since typically brera is done with the siftera sieve and it's not done with your hand it's not similar to buyer it's just not parallel to the typical way but where is done in fact Rashi says by all three criteria the good from the bad that's also not boiler you're normally you pluck out the bed from The Good the good from the bad is just not a typical way to do furthermore for immediate use is also not typically how you select usually it's uh for a later use they're for round shoes of the opinion that the logic of these three criteria um is that it's not the typical way to do it however the rajma has a little bit of a different take and he says that when you do something for immediate use to eat it's not boy rare but rather it is I mean it's not selecting it's eating eating is not selecting eating is not a malacha so if I'm eating some when I choose something for immediate use it's eating it's not selecting so the bottom line is the mishaburra and Simmons says that are liberar it is not permitted to select kiamba Because unless you're careful on all three criteria that is the good from the bad and it should be with your hand and it shouldn't be with a CLI and it should be for immediate youth because that is not Derek but it rather is now I want to share with you a few important applications of birar so one common Pitfall no pun intended is eating watermelon people don't like the black seeds it makes them very nervous they have high levels of anxiety when they pick up watermelon some people they have not okay I'm not gonna take it to extreme but people have a hard time dealing with watermelon you cannot remove the black watermelon seeds because that is the bad from the good um so what do you do you bite into it and then when it's in your mouth you sort of collect it in your mouth and then you a very um discreetly take a napkin and you sort of let it out of your mouth in the napkin but you cannot remove watermelon seeds watermelons removing watermelon seeds is a is Sir the irisa um now what do you do if you have a piece of chicken and you don't like the bones so you might have to actually in this case use utensils I know it's very difficult for people to use a fork and a knife but they come in handy especially over here to take the bone out of the chicken you can't do but to to force the bone down to hold the bone down with a knife and then to pull the meat away with a fork so you're taking the good from the bad and you're doing it for immediate use and uh that and and it's also it's still considered doing it with your hand so um it would be permitted um however to take the bones out of the food even for immediate use is very questionable and unless you have an elderly person one should not rely on that because again that is uh the bad from the good now let me tell you one more leniency which is a very worthwhile to be aware of that is you have a laundry basket and you have a pair of socks your favorite pair of socks that have neon fish on it let's say and it's sitting on the bottom of your of your laundry basket and you need to get there you need to fish out your socks that have fish on it the only thing is you can't you're gonna fish them out you're basically going to be moving away the bad from the good that's boilera right no there's something called C look C look means I'm not selecting I'm removing what I don't want in order to get to what I do want in other words I have something on the bottom that's covered I have pears on the bottom of a bowl that thing is they're apples on the top oh I can't take out the apples because I'm selecting no you could move the apples away so that you could reach the pear on the bottom that's not called selecting that is called sea look see look means um removal I'm allowed to remove I'm not allowed to select um let us talk about silverware so many men are very smart and they stay out of the kitchen because they could get into a lot of trouble when they come into the kitchen you know they might have to set the table well once in a while you got to help you gotta do your part the thing is you have this pile of silverware forks knives spoons and you have to set the table how are you going to do that so if you're setting the table for immediate use you're going to be eating immediately you're you're waiting to wash the only thing this table is not set okay so it's you need the forks you can take the fork out of the pile it's biyad with your hand me out immediate use and the good from the bed right now I want the fork the thing is what if you're not eating for an hour but they ask you to set the table so there is an eight sound the eights is make a mess to avoid butter that's right I know you you love to make a mess so now's your chance your wife's saying why are you making such a big mess you say I don't lie I'm a neat guy but the only way for me to avoid butter is to make a mess you take in your hand like seven pieces and you so to speak scatter them on the table now the the Israel is only when you're selecting items in a mixture but now they're not in a mixture anymore they're strewn about so you you cast them on the table now you have a four care spoon here a knife there and then you need the nut the fork take the fork but I'm not eating for an hour I'm not doing boiler it's not a problem I'm not selecting the good from the bad I'm not saying the bad from the I'm not selecting I am I'm just taking something that used to be in a mixture but it's not a mixture anymore that's also a very valuable so back to the chests you just beat your um three-year-old nephew in chess because he's the only person who you could be very good so now you have black pieces and white pieces when your five-year-old nephew challenges you you say I have to go learn something right but okay you just won the game and now your black pieces and white pieces together you can't you can't sell out you can't clean it up so that's also a good trick your wife says why are you making a mess you have to clean up you say I can't it's Byron so that's also good to have in your back pocket but if you actually want to clean it up then what you do is you take a handful of uh pieces you sort of use you throw it so that it's not in a mixture anymore and then you could take the blacks and the white because they're not mixed together okay so that's a valuable uh idea now let's go to the essence of the malacha and uh in these very nice shimra booklet they talk about whether you could play with a Rubik's Cube on Shabbos my style is whether you could play with a Rubik's Cube during the week because I don't know how anybody could ever do a Rubik's Cube but uh I once uh actually somebody once came to my house from South Africa and he brought his son he was 12 years old and this kid uh took lessons in Rubik's Cubes you could mix up the cube any way you want within a minute he could uh he could do it mom is amazing me it takes me at least uh I'm still working on it you know still but are you allowed to do a Rubik's Cube why not so let's talk about one side let's say you want to get one side white now the problem is there's a bed over here in the white there are a few by the way essentially anybody know how many cubes in a Rubik's Cube I see Michael in uh Michael knows he's but you're muted we'll unmute you for this one we're gonna unmute you to see get this answer anybody know um 96 nope Michael you know you have something no no so um it's communion Hawaii they're 26 cubes in a Rubik's Cube and they're all held together with a central spindle so if you just came to the shear to learn that every time you see a Rubik's Cube you could be makaiim shivici Hashem Lane because they're 26 cubes in the Rubik's Cube so Shiloh is like this you have uh one side of it is white and you have a few yellow squares that are you know ruining your white side so you want to remove the bed from the good you want to remove the bad from the good because right now you want a white you want you you want the the whole side to be white and you want to remove the yellow from the white now the truth is that's only if you're uh you know you're a novice uh Rubik's Cubes guy but if you're a professional you can't really say that the yellow is waste because you want to do the whole Square so you want everything you want the white here and you want the yellow somewhere else so it's not really um taking the bat out of the good or the good out of the bad it's all good it's just it's a question where you want it but by the way let's say you have raisins and peanuts and they're all mixed together you want to eat both but you don't like to eat them together it makes you very nervous right remember the guy who has anxiety with the watermelon seeds he also has anxiety when his raisins and peanuts are mixed together so you'll add us separate them both so there's no bad there's no good you want you want them both answers you could separate them both if you're going to eat them immediately but to save them for later and by the way once we're at it are you allowed to peel an orange on Shabbos answer is it's boiler but you're allowed to peel it if you can eat it right away but let's say you want to eat it in an hour you absolutely cannot peel it that's butter that is buttery so even though okay um so let's talk about the following cases Martin Chavez says on iron dalid if you have different kinds of food in front of you you could select it but the and as we mentioned earlier if you selected your vacatas now from this gamara we learn that butter is not only when you have good and waste but if you have two kinds of food and one you want and one you don't want so vis-a-vis the food that you want the one that you don't want is considered waste and therefore the Prima Gotham has a very interesting if you have two Foods and you want both of them you just don't want either of them now you are allowed to separate because neither one is considered waste in other words the gamara is talking about where you have two Foods you want to eat one you don't want to eat the other but if you wanted to eat both however you don't want to eat them now the opinion of the Prima Gotham is your allowed to separate two foods that you don't want to eat now however the rambam is mashma otherwise the rambam says someone who selects the food from the refuse or two kinds of food with a sifter or a sieve yes now like the Prima got them and therefore the beer halacha paskins that it is postured from the lotion of the rambam that breira is selecting one food from the other and each food is then separate that is breira it is not permitted unless you're going to eat them both immediately in other words Prima Gotham has a leniency that you could select two foods from each other if you're going to eat both even if you're not going to eat both now and the biraloka says not so fast no way is separating two food items from each other and based on that he argues on the Prima Gotham who says that it's permitted even though you're going to use it later and now comes igletal and he sort of agrees with and igletown says the fruits got mixed up together apples and pears right it's tubishvat and you have apples and pears and if you want to separate them and you're not going to eat them immediately it's boilera and the eggletal says that if you have two kinds of food you want to select them even though you're going to eat them at this meal if you're not going to eat it immediately you cannot do it in other words the egg lay towel says even though you want both foods but you don't want them together still vis-a-vis the other food food a is considered a waste comparable to food B so in that case in the case of uh the Rubik's Cube where you're separating two items even though you want both maybe you would say that it is a problem however the bottom line is you're allowed to play with the Rubik's cubes on Shabbos and that is because they're not really considered a mixed and a mixture why not because they're all considered attached to one spindle they're all considered one entity they're not considered mixed up and the bottom line is you would be allowed to use it um and La Mesa La Mesa if you have two foods and you want both of them but you're not going to eat either of them now we are mahmir and we say Do not select the foods in other words you have uh um peanuts and raisins you want to eat both now but you like them separate you could separate one from the other however if you are gonna eat them later then you cannot do it again you have to meet the criteria that we started with Beyond it has to be for immediate use meaty you have to do with your hand and the good from the bad okay especially when it comes to this year we have to apply the rule in no way did we exhaust the uh full parameters of malachas boiler which in a way is the most expansive subject in just to get some of the basics so that one could further their study it is certainly worthwhile um I'll take questions otherwise uh have a great day yeah most kitchens do have knives in one small Forks large Forks small spoons large spoon yeah I take out the knives and then I take out the forks each one separately you've got Ballroom no it's not available no that's not a problem at all because they're not mixed but often sometimes people have uh a pile of silverware let's say let's say they they did the dishes Friday night and they left a pile of silverware so then to select from Iran a pile of you know random so where that's the issue but if they're sort of already sorted and they're separate that that's fine you have to remove the food from the waste but with the orange taking the pill off no dates the peel uh say hello to remove an orange uh you think you're taking the bad from the good foreign okay that's basically the manner and with it which it's eaten and there's no other way to get there um the question about the Orange is why don't we say and apply the rule that that's not called selecting but that rather is called C look that is called removing something in order to get what you need so now you may be able to um feel around so the the way it's explained is that uh because it's a shell an appeal it's not considered the bad from the good but it's rather it's considered removing a barrier to get to the good is considered in other words you're right it's a very important point that you're raising that that we said that the main criteria is has to be the good from the best how could you peel an orange that's for sure the bad family good so we basically apply the the following rule that if it's a barrier to the food if it's a cover it's classified as my pistachio notes with the same issue right opening up the which is yeah any any shell or any coating would be even though you are taking the bad from the good but since it's a barrier so we classify that as taking the good from the bad yeah yes okay uh home we'll see we'll yeah we'll see if that okay I have to limit the you know this year to this year question but we'll deal with it next week okay everybody say you've just experienced another Torah class brought to you by torahanytime.com