The Great Techeiles Controversy 2.0

We're learning peras the sug of more generally the sug of tits. So the mitzvah of tits in its perfect form is when somebody wears a becket with talid confice and he has fringes that are first knotted then braided and then hanging from the four corners of his baguette. But we are some of the are white and some of theim are blue. The to the fact that the are supposed to be made of two different colors is the says learned that the word teaches that the are supposed to be so whatever the material whatever the color of the actual corner of the bag it is It's that material that color that the tites are supposed to be. Rashi says most of the beadim back in the day were white. And as a result learned from here that the are supposed to be white. Additionally, the Pik says that's pretty straightforward. They're supposed to be. Hence, it's from the fact that says which suggests white which suggests that we know that sits in the perfect form is supposed to be made up of both and of stating that the opening verse of is meaning in as much as it's true that is in his perfect form. is made up of. But at the same time, let's say somebody has or somebody has not he's still in the beginning of perf. He lays out the basic concept of inim says what emerges is that there are two mitzvah that are included in this one general mitzvah of and that is number one that on the corner of the bag there should be same material same color that's emerging from it. Additionally, you should take a foreign object and you should affix it. You should attach it to the bag. How do I know these two ideas? It says that's how I know. Additionally, it says goes on and he describes if someone has not love, you put on the love and you and if somebody has love and not you put on that and you even though we just said that the is of the and the stating that they're not two mitzvah rather The two together make up two parts of one mitzvah. So that if somebody would wear a talis that has only or only or better has both only one said we learn from there that there only one mitzvah. In other words, the ra is addressing, he'sing, he's grappling and struggling a little bit to the extent that and to the extent that there are two mitzvah. So you would think that if you wear love and you wear you're actually two mitzvah says the ra that's not the case. There's one mitzvah called tits. Within that one mitzvah of tits, there are two sub mitzvah and if somebody goes and he wears the tit with the even though he's being two sub mitzvah but he's only being in one general mitzvah and as a result in mitzvah he's one mitzvah. This this is a little bit tricky and love one mitzvah. Is it two mitzvah? It's two. The Ram says, but in terms of mitzvo, it's really only one. One thing is for certain, and that is that there's a mitzvah where tits and there's a mitzvah for the tits to be made up of both and stating that going back to the 7th century, that's a very long time ago, Jews for the most part have not been wearing. Even though it's a mitzvah, even though it's part and parcel of a mitzvah that we saw is connected, even though it's a mitzvah that's a gateway for au since the 7th century, Jews have not for the most part, certainly not until recently be wearing. The question is why? It's a very simple short answer. It's because Kazal say that the had to come from some sea aquatic creature known as the and the nature of the what exactly the is was something that was nellan already didn't know 100% what it was and because they didn't know what the was so it was for that reason there was no ability there was no capacity to go ahead and to produce the kas in fact there's already a a medistan at the end of where the so this is already a says today all we have is because the was hidden it's also in the end where you find that were already talking about how the was or the wasnas so to the extent that there's no there's no and if there's no there was no ability to go ahead and to produce the there was no ability to properly go ahead and be this mitzvah. Now you'll ask the says the says it has to be blue. So why can't I figure out some other way to dye the tits is blue? It'll be right. I'll get whatever I need to get out of my blue color and as a result I'll have exactly what it is I need. It's a good but it's a right here in the and the says it in already told us that if you want to be the it has to be if it's not it's going to be it was exactly what was and it was for that reason people stopped wearing so here's the question bismano Nowadays, we're already kneedeep into the 21st century where there have been incredible advancements in technology, in archaeology. It's probably fairly likely that we may be able to have a good idea as to what exactly the was and exactly how was produced. The reason, by the way, is because this was something that was mass- prodduced. So, to the extent that it was mass-produced, it probably left a footprint somewhere. So the question is a do we today know what exactly the was and as a result can we today go and make the and make the mitzvah of is great again where we'll be m the mitzvah exactly the way we were supposed to be mimitzvah I think it's a fair question the second question is does it matter if we knew with 100% certainty that what kazal somehow forgot 1300 100 years ago. We today know what that is and we know what the is and we know exactly how to make the would that mean oh perfect. So it would be now we could go ahead and be the mitzvah or being that this mitzvah is something that we didn't have for so long at some point it gets grandfathered out and at this point even if we know exactly what it is we would not be able to thision these two questions are going to be the topic really of today's raid so Hazal told us a little bit what the was. There are some clues and really the the biggest clue is a right here in it's a looks like the sea. The way the mafar explain it, the surah of it is similar to that of a fish. It emerges from the sea once every 70 years and with its blood they would make the die and being that this is something that was so rare it emerged once every 70 years it was considered to be very very expensive. So the price it gives us a few cryptic clues. Number one is number two it's which sounds like it's not a it's only it's fish don't usually emerge from the sea. This is something that emerges from the sea. It's only the was made from the dam from the blood of this and being that it was something that was hard to come by. It was something that was very very expensive talks a little bit about the adds another clue. Rashi says the would emerge from the sea and would go to the mountains. But the one that says that didn't say is that it was there's another this is there too mentions and says what was the it's a it's a worm it emerges from the sea and initially All you see is one and then the rest of them somehow come. So Rashi here also says that it's right but Rashi adds that it's a now where did Rashi get the idea that it's a says it's so it's not really a fish it's only a fish oh it has to be something else and Rashi defined it gave us a description says that there's another that gives us a very very important clue and that is the is going on the says we're the midbar. So the clothing that they wore grew together with them and the explains it with a mush. The mush is think of the as the grows its shell grows along with it. It was in that same vein that so the seems to be saying very clearly that the whatever exactly it is has a a shell. Bottom line, the Gomorrah says that the is and it's with its dam that we make the says that when we say it's what does that mean? It's says in the it was explaining the only and then we have that says that it had a shell. Regardless what exactly the is a picture of it, its exact species that Kazal never gave us. But at the same time, there are some hints and there are some clues as to what exactly it might be. It's interesting that there's also many references in kazal as to where the was found. The first one is kazal on a parish. It's talking about the bra that gave the different specifically and one of the things that told was that you're gonna have treasures that are going to be buried in the sand of your what exactly is this referring to says three things number one which is tuna number two number three you're going to be able to find these fine crystals so we know that There's the talks about the fishermen. They used to go and they used to catch the and it says where did they catch them? They used to go by the sum of Tur was the ancient kingdom, the ancient land of Ty tyr going all the way to there's a peri talks about how the Yidden had they had they had all these fancy dyed objects and they came from the E Alisha from the islands of Alicia and if you look at the Mafarim the E Alicia were the Greek islands and they ostensively came from the Mediterranean Sea which borders those Greek islands. The bottom line is Kazal also gave us clues in terms of where exactly we might be able to find the so we have clues as to what the is and we have clues as to where we might be able to find the but an exact description and with you know perfect coordinates of where you can now go find the you'll be able to be the mitzvah that's something that kazal never gave us bottom line from the seventh century already somehow the exact nature of the kilo eluded kazal and it's for that reason y didn't stop being mai in this very very very fundamental mitzvah fast forward about 1,200 years to the 19th century in the 19th century there was a little bit of a his in terms of trying to figure out exactly what the nature of the tus was why exactly I'm not 100% sure I saw something very interesting in a book called the rear is blue which was written by Dr. Barak Sturman. He suggests and I think it makes a lot of sense that it could be this emerged from the Viku between Kisher and the GDO is at the time in terms of wanting to bring back the and bringing carbonus again Bisman. This is something that we've talked about extensively but kisher felt that the time was right to maybe stop bringing carbon bay and he wanted to bring a carbon and he lobbyed Israel. There are three chuvas that we have for written to kisher. There's a chuva in that was written to kisher. very first trouvinger in his bign was written to fer kasher and this kyodua was a a movement that was marish and at least at the surface it looked like the gdeladar really reckoned with this havamina of maybe we could bring carbono bisman and trying to work 500 sugis and kachim and be able to make it happen in we were going to bring carbon bisman it meant we would have to have kayan that were going to wear the big day kahuno We're learning the paras right now. We know that one of the ingredients, one of the materials of the biguno was which means that if we're going to go ahead and we're going to do the we're going to have to have as a matter of fact and one of his chis to his kaler told how could you think that we could bring carbon today? We don't know what the is. So if we don't know what the is we don't have we don't have this whole idea is dead on arrival. Now there's actually a very interesting discussion in the whether or not the had to be the source of the that was used for the big day meaning this that we read earlier in the that says that the only time is if it's talking about regarding the mitzv it's not talking about the and the and all the different materials that were used for the big duno and the truth it's a little bit of a the that was used for the did it also have to be or did not have to be in the beginning of everyone knows it's says what was it came from but maybe held not that way so that's a little bit about what's going on where said so why we don't know what the is not the end of the world but the bottom line is this put into the consciousness of the raon that I wonder in the 19th century there were already advancements being made there's some that's going to be able to help us figure out what exactly the is. Either way, in the late 19th century, there was a great goyan who decided to take it upon himself to bring back the mitzvah of this great guy, his name was Haner. He was the reb. And this a of his became so part and parcel to his identity that maz this is known as none other than the balas. Now the story of how the Balotas went about trying to uncover the is very very interesting. In 1887 there was a big impressive one of its kind never before known to mankind aquarium that opened up in Naples Italy. It was called the Aquario Dinopoly. And the Reba felt that if there's any place you're going to find, that's the place it's going to be. So he literally left the just think of this. He leaves Poland and he goes to Naples, Italy and he pitched the tent there for months and literally every morning first say the second say the night s he's in the aquarium and he's talking to the zoologologists and the chemists and all the different scientists and he's trying to uncover see if he can figure out what exactly the was. Fast forward after spending a very very very long time there the believed that he found the and the was none other than the cuddlefish. It's a type of squid and he felt that for sure for sure this is the he sat down and he wrote a safer and another safer another safer. He named the safer and he started his big movement of going telling the world that I found the and as a result we can do this mitzvah again properly. We can be mim the other of the mitzvah. This says even together only make up one mitzvah. But there's another component of this mitzvah that finally were able to be mim. And in his mind he literally discovered gold. In his mind he found the made it his life's mission literally to go and to tell the world what it was that he had found. Now it's interesting that when the rebba found the cuttlefish and you know started analyzing it scientifically there was one very very big problem. It's a very big problem. As a matter of fact it was a huge problem and that is that this substance that the cuttlefish secreted that ultimately the diner I believe was the was brown. It wasn't blue. So if it's brown it's sort of dead on arrival right. It's actually interesting. The cuttlefish in German is called the tinten fish or in English it would be called the inkfish. And the reason is because there's like an ink like dye that it secretes when it feels like it's in danger. And that ink-like dye to the repa felt very very much like the but the problem was it was brown. So he consulted with different chemists and basically what the chemist told him was is that if you add certain ingredients and you add different uh substances and you expose it to different elements then the brown is going to turn into blue and that's what answered this big glaring issue and that is it's not blue it's really brown but it was because of this that the at the end of the day was able to make his case and he went ahead and ran with it he had gone to the aquarium ial denopoly in 1887 by 1891 theim were already mass manufacturing the and it was being sold all over Europe and some Israel believed in and other were agnostic and the others that believed that it wasn't the real thing and this created one of the great controversies of of really modern Jewish hal but the bottom line is is this is the the very brief version of exactly how the came about discovering what he believed was the the cuttlefish. Fast forward to 1914, a great genius and also an academic by the name of Rabbitzka Herzog who would become the first chief rabbi of the modern state of Israel. So he was in school and he decided to write his doctoral dissertation on what's called perforology, the dying of purple in ancient Israel. So perforology believe it or not is a study that talks about the ancient dyes and he was intrigued by the rebba claiming to have found the and he decided that he's going to uh delve into it a little bit more. He did a lot of research. He too consulted with archaeologists and with zoologologists and with chemists and what he concluded was that the redba had been fooled a little bit. The cuttlefish secreted an inklike dye which made it at the very least a basis for a compelling case that this might be the problem is it was brown. It wasn't blue. What made it blue? So when you added different ingredients that's what made it blue. Which by the way the said is fine because we know the we learned it together where the says that he told him right you bring the and as a matter of fact in init talks about exactly how they make the he says and you put some in it. So the fact that it required these foreign ingredients that didn't impress the rabb that was a wasn't a because that's exactly where told is the recipe the raan brings it in but but and it was a big problem said that he spoken over with chemists and the chemist told him that if you take these sim that you're adding to the cuttlefish's uh brown ink-like secretion and you add it to so many other things you're going to end up with the same coloras which meant that there was nothing inherent and intrinsic about the cuttlefish we if that was added with these other it turned into because there was so many things that were able to do the same thing as a matter of fact it was the sim in his mind that was creating the had nothing to do with the fish and nothing you can take a herring and maybe do the same thing it had nothing to do with the fish and if that's the case he believed that the cuttlefish cannot be the he wrote a 200 plus page uh dissertation making his point and really the the argument that Rafer made seems to have stood the test of time and it's for that reason that even today where there's a big movement both pro and con it's not the now to be clear there are people that believe that the is the realis this is all way above my pay grade from the hashkafer perspective from the perspective and certainly from the zoology perspective but the bottom line is that for the most part razag's dissertation seems to be really the final analysis in terms of the way the world at large has accepted the kas which means that it's a fascinating footnote in Jewish history. It for sure was the inspiration for everythingless going on in the world today. Makes for Gishmak. But at the same time, at the same time, most people that are even pro don't believe that the was the real they do not believe that the cuttlefish was the So what exactly was the so interesting Rabbi Herzog in his dissertation said that he believes that the is actually not a fish, it's a snail. And it's a snail that belongs to the family of the Murix snails, specifically the infamous Murix's trunculus. Now, he wrote a whole dissertation, again, this is the safer of that piece explaining why he believes it's the Mur's trunculus. Did a very very thorough job. But it's actually interesting because at the end of his thesis he ended off with a and the reason is because as much as in his mind the murk's trunculus seemed to be what he thought was the but there's a problem and the reason is because the mur's trunculus although if you take out its secretion you can create a dye and the dye has qualities but it was very purplish. It was like a purpley dye. And said that the is not just blue, it's blue and it's do which means it's sky blue. And if that's the case, he said that as much as lie that this is what it is. And based on his secular research, he's he's pretty confident that this must be what it is. But it doesn't with the most basic about and that is that it has to be sky blue. And if you look at it, it's purplish. And if that's the case, and that's pretty much the way he left off his thesis in 1914. And that's pretty much the way he left it in terms of his understanding when he would write about it and lecture about and be asked questions about it when he passed away in the year 1959 stating that fast forward and this is some point after he had already passed away. There was a discovery that was made and it was made almost by by accident by some chemist that really changed everything and I'm just going to read it from the book the rearest blue again that was written by Dr. Baruk Sturman. So reading page 126, one page. As we saw earlier, in the 1960s, the famous Israeli archaeologist Yigel Yadin had turned to Adelstein, someone that he mentions earlier in the book, for help in analyzing some of the textiles found in the digs at Msada, including the bundle of purple wool, which the archaeologist speculated might be authentic. Now, it's purple, but he speculated that it might be authentic. It turned out not to be the case, but to find and shrink Adelestein. Nevertheless, he developed a lasting interest in the ancient purple shellfish dyes and particularly in the Jewish on a visit to Israel that had decisive consequences. He asked two professors for help in researching the topic. Aayud Span, a marine biologist from Hifer University and Ado Ellner, a die chemist from the Shanker College of Fashion and Textile Technology. Inner was particularly well suited for the task since as a young chemist he had worked with woe dying in his native Poland before immigrating to Israel because of the unavoidable rancid smell that accompanies dying with snails. Eller conducted his experiments near an open window. So usually scientists they conduct their experiments in labs right but it smelled so bad this guy that he felt that he he was suffocating. So he goes to an open window. That seemingly insignificant choice of location led to a groundbreaking observation. Eller gathered the snails, extracted the glands, and collected the dark purple dye. He applied the standard techniques used in a wo dying, adding the necessary chemicals to put the dye into solution. He immersed the wool, and after removing it, he watched it turn from greenish yellow to its final permanent color, as expected. And as old scholars and chemists have claimed for a hundred years, the wool indeed took on a purple U on cloudy days that is. But when working in bright sunshine, Elner saw something quite different. The trunculus dye produced a beautiful sky blue color. Furthermore, the azour color of the wool that emerged from the brackish liquid was fast and lasting. It didn't fade, nor did it change its color. Elsner researched the chemical processes taking place in his sundrrenched dye mixture and discovered that while in solution, the dye molecules are less stable than when in their natural condition. Ultraviolet energy, such as found in the rays of bright sunlight, can break the bonds that attach some of the atoms to each other within the dye molecule. These photochemical processes alter the purple and red constituents of the Murix's extract and leave primarily indigo which is of course pure sky blue had solved the riddle. The bottom line is years after Rafertzog had suggested his thesis but he was stumped. He had this because at the end of the day it's purple it's not blue. By mistake, this scientist Viz Adner literally by mistake went and he put this dye by the sun exposed it to ultraviolet sunlight and then incredibly the purple converted to blue and it was a lasting blue. It didn't fade, it didn't change color. There was no way to revert it. So this process, this chemical process was something that was so significant and it turned into a perfect indigo which we know kalahon that's the color of the it turned into an absolute purple and really in the minds of many certainly in the scientific community this really proved it was Rabbi Herzog's thesis and the felt the murk's trunculus based on the scientific methods that scientists use to make their arguments seems to be the kilos. So I think it's Kadai to pivot now and talk a little bit about that aspect that part of Rabbi Herzog's thesis and that is the argument that is the the Murik's trunculus. The first thing that I think is critical to understand if you want to objectively go through this is that the is not something that was uniquely Jewish. Right? So the idea of wearing tits is something that's uniquely Jewish. Although back in the day a begott arbakano was not uniquely Jewish. People wore begott them of arbakano and the is saying take your beggar of arbakano and put on it. But just the concept of is not something that was uniquely Jewish. Right? People used to dye their clothing. As a matter of fact, the idea of dying was something that was considered very very so the royals would dye their clothing. So that if somebody that was a pedestrian, you're just a regular guy, a push dimension, and you went and you dyed your clothing OR EVEN ONE STRING OF your clothing or one strip on your clothing. You were literally somebody that was going to be you're because it was understood that only the royals were able to do this. By the way, by the way, how do we know this? So, there's a million secular sources for this. As a matter of fact, we have today from the the code of laws of the ancient Romans. We could show chapter and verse where it says very clearly that no person that's not a member of the royal family shall be caught wearing something with a blue dye or a purple dye or any of these dies. So we know for a fact but it's a you know what the Ramban is it's in this week's par this week's par the says big and says that what does it mean that the big day will so he says that all the big day were big on some level in the next this is something that we're going to talk about in great length so I'm picking up in middle of the Raman one excerpt as it relates to even the colors of even today. There's no person that would have the audacity and to go ahead and wear this color unless he's a melivan. I'll prove it to you even further. You ready for this drum roll? What was the says the went out was the first thing mentioned he wore BECAUSE THAT WAS A ROYAL GARMENT. IT'S A FACT. THIS IS THE WAY IT WAS. AND that's why because he's wearing this is a very important point because was not something uniquely Jewish. It's not, oh, we have this ritual, we came up with this Indian that we take a little bit of was something that was common. Now, it was common amongst the royals and the aristocrats, but at the same time, it's something that was out there, which by the way will now lend even more credibility, you would think, to what the scientific community has to say on the topic. And the reason is because they're not opining on something that was uniquely Jewish. They're talking about something that existed or something that was pervasive back in the day. The royals wore on their begard and the yidden would take this one fringe and they would put it on the corners of their bag. But the bottom line is again this is a very very critical almost introductory point and that is that the is not something that was uniquely Jewish. Now this gets really interesting that is believe it or not Aristotle Ram quotes Aristotle throughout the but Aristotle believe it or not wrote a book I think it's called the book of animals has some not such uh not such original name but I think it's called the book of animals and in his book of animals he talked about different uh creatures that were used to secrete some liquid that ultimately was used by the royals for their dyes. And he refers to an animal called the purpura. That's what he refers to. He refers to an animal called the perpa. And he says from the purpura we create these purple dyes and these blue dyes. It comes from it comes from the purpura. What is a perpa? The scientific community believes 100% the papura is a snail. Specifically they believe it's the murk snail. So this animal that Aristotle was uh describing that he said was the source of these ancient dyes was in his mind the propura. It gets more interesting because the prov have put together a whole a list of different who when describing they actually use the word there's a ra who quotes we don't have this but the ra was one of the one of the and he quotes with says what's the we saw this in yesterday's It's uses the wordura uses the word propura he uses the word perpura. So the scientific community understands that perpura is what it's a muric snail. Aristotle already wrote about in his books. This is an old Indian that goes back a very very long time. And now we have Israel that when they talked about the they actually used the word pura. So it's almost a layup, right? So the perpura is the the murk snail and it's something that was discussed widely in secular sources and and here we have THAT ACTUALLY USED THAT WORD. They use the word pura. So you would think 1 plus 1 equals 2. You almost know that the perpa is the the murk snail. We mentioned earlier the garmental we mentioned. We mentioned rashi there's another rashi. This rash is the also mentions and on right which is a plural for says rashi limates. Sarashi we know spoke old French and very often he helped the reader know exactly what this uh archaic in that he's trying to describe is Rashi says you want to know what the iss you know what it is it's a snail so Rashi already told us that you want to know what the limates is it's a snail and the truth is it's that we mentioned earlier because that it has a shell right just like the line it has this naric that grows together with it. So so too this is the same thing that it it right the clothing used to grow but the bottom line is is that we know said that it's not a fish it's only right as a matter of fact it's something that can live at sea but it's like and we also know it has a shell it sounds a little bit like a snail right it's a snail Right. And here you have that said it was the perp that Aristotle already wrote about which we know is a snail. By the way, another thing that has done and that is I don't know if you've ever done this but in the old city. So there's the Armenian quarter, right? One of the four quarters is the Armenian quarter. And there are people there that speak a fluent Aramaic by the way. It's highly recommended if you have an opportunity to take a tour guide. I went there with Rabil Goldhaver but uh he's uh he's tremendous. show you who the gabber could do it as well. But the bottom line is is that if you go to the Armenian quarter, you could uh actually meet people that speak of fluent Aramaic. So they have videos of the showing them the Muric snail and they ask them, you know, how would you describe this? They say it's a, you know, that's what it is. So apparently even for those that have a mess of exactly how to speak Aramaic they refer to it as they refer to it as the snail. There's another interesting again secularish source to this and that is in the tarash right what's known as the septrogant. So in the so what is that that's where the garra says it was a that he took all the and he put them into separate rooms and he told them to be the into Greek and they were all and they all made the same shiny now we don't have a a internally in terms of what the mash look like we don't have it it's not something that we have but in the secular world there's very much a messiah in terms of this what they refer to I don't know if I'm pronouncing this right decept. But the bottom line is is they have some sort of uh on it that goes back thousands of years and on the word on the word they write it's a d that comes from the perp which again we know we've identified as being the murale. So there's there's some pretty compelling evidence. There's some pretty compelling evidence that the is a snail. I mean almost unavoidable evidence. By the way I've heard the kash ask. So what did the balas what didbba do with the fact that you have the propuros maybe didn't know I don't know I you have to go through his form was goyan I mean the balis was a goyan on the same level as any of the go of the 19th century just to put into perspective right 19th century was a kal and and the reba was was up there the cover that all the gave him was on the highest highest level but you know the fact that rashi says limates and the fact that it has a shell. So obviously he had a he had a mush with this a little bit but the bottom line is is that it feels very very compelling that is the propur I mean we have and the and the ravi they all say it was the pura we know the papura today is the mur snail and based on that it it seems pretty pretty confident that that we're on to something that that this is the mur now there's A few other points that need to be spoken out, I think, in order to appreciate this a little bit better. Number one, the only aquatic creature that's known to the scientific community today in the year 2026 that has the ability to secrete a liquid that will turn into some indigo looking dye that's going to have lasting uh qualities is the muralist. There isn't another one. It's the only one. So, we've narrowed it down to one just from a scientific perspective. Now, it doesn't mean that there isn't another something that exists. But in terms of what we know now based on modern Yadas, this is the only thing that we're aware of which again for sure bolsters this. It's not checkmate, right? Because we don't know what we don't know. But at the same time, it's it's it's pretty compelling when you add it to what it is that we already know. But there's another argument that's been made and that is let's say the murk's trunculus is not the let's say there is something else. Let's say this is a mistake. Let's say it's it's not the so the kasha then becomes how comeal when they talked about the and they were so worried about the fakes right they were worried about the kalon how come they never address the fact make sure you don't use the mur trunculus right because it's aa thefta says it has to come from the and if it doesn't come from the it's going to be a problem why did THEY NEVER EVEN ADDRESS THIS how come this was not something that even bothered So there are a lot of people that feel that that's a very very strong argument that must be they wen't they weren't aware of anything else and if that's THE CASE THIS MUST BE THE ONLY THING MEANING IT HAS to be that the only thing that they knew that can produce this was either the either the murk's trunculus or the caloan the mur chunulus is the real one the calilan's a fake and that's the fake that they're going ahead and addressing cuz if you're going to tell me that it's not the murk's trunculus and it's um I don't know some other thing well then they should have said don't use the kalulan And don't use the mirulus EITHER. FROM THE FACT THAT IT WAS never addressed, that in of itself might be a riot. Now, the truth is, is that a ria? It's it's for sure not a riot. Number one, how come they didn't address the why didn't they address the cuttlefish? That's a little bit of an interesting was so wrong that they didn't even feel that they have to address it. It's my own. I think it's a good. Additionally, additionally, I saw Miller Schlita in Atuva. He says that let's be honest until recently we didn't even that the mir trunculus can produce the kalus rabzog left his dissertation because at the end of the day they couldn't figure it out it was purple it wasn't artis it wasn't now they understood why aristotle would have spoken about it because it had this purplish dye quality so there's no question why he would have talked about but it couldn't have been aris why couldn't it have been artis because at the end of the day aralis has to be do it has to be a sky blue and this wasn't a sky blue this was purplish color and it was until this elner who right the gam until he figured this out so all of a sudden now we know about it but maybe just like we didn't know about it until recently the ancients didn't even know about it so you want to know what kazal did in Bavar because this was not something that was popular nobody no one was handling with this and as a result there was it was never why didn't they address electricity because there was no electricity so they didn't address this either cuz this hadn't been discovered yet at the time yeah they knew about the poor Puro they knew about the murkulus but it was purple it wasn't blue and as a result if it wasn't blue it's for that reason it wasn't used stating that stating that I think you can walk away from the kas with a a fairly high level of confidence like that it's the murk's trunculus and that's the and you know we pretty much found our smoking gun again you have it being described by kazal as a snail we know it's like it's not a dog. We know it could be at sea. We know it can also it can right go mountain climbing. So we see already it's not just a fish. It's only by the way the murix looks like a fish. If you look at a picture in it, it literally has the hydrum of a fish. It's which is what say which in of itself is actually very interesting. You know what does it mean that it's so that they all say today it's very hard to find because what it does is it somehow is able to uh camouflage itself at so if you try catching it they're not easy to catch and as a result it's what does it mean that it's the cash everybody asked what do you do with the fact that it's the already you know addressed that extensively he said it means it's hard to come by it's it's it's a rare fine but believe it or not even before already wrote in could be it was but he says it's not something that's going to be anymore. Either way, this is something that was addressed already by the it's probably more of a than meant to be taken literally. But again, the bottom line is describe it as described it as having a shell. We know that they refer to it as theuro which Aristod already wrote about and he was clearly referring to the Murex. We have the fact that Rashi says limates and limates we know is a snail. It's in the mashim as being a a snail. The Armenians today will refer to it as a for whatever that's worth. But the bottom line is there is some that the is a snail. By the way, here's another interesting one. Where is the found where it was found? It was found near Ty, right? By Ty and Khifa. So, you ready for this? The archaeologists have discovered coins that go back to the times of uh Ty, right? When Ty was in its heyday when it was a very important part of the world. And many of the coins have in them embossed and engraved a picture of the Murex, literally a picture of the Murex, showing that it was a very important part of its economy. Right? And because it was such an important part of its economy, that's why it's there. We mentioned that it's found by the Greek islands, right? That's the Mediterranean Sea. They have found millions and millions of these murk shells, millions, mammish millions of these shells by uh by the Mediterranean Sea. Well, since Aristotle talked about how the Greek royals used to wear the different dyes that came from it. But the bottom line is there's so much scientific evidence that seems to point in the direction. Is it 100%? No. Are there cashes on it? 100%. But at the same time, if you wanted to make the argument based on Gre scientific method and even based on GR that you found, it definitely sounds like you have every right to do so. And it sounds like you're probably very very very much on to something. But here's the next part of this and that is does it matter from aic perspect? Let's assume it is the which again it feels compelling. Does it matter? Does it matter or it doesn't matter? You say what's the shism? Of course, it's going to matter. How could you negate a mitzvah? We know how to be it's then with the so when he was lobbying what he believed at the time was that he showed it to all the Israel. And there's many different anecdotes in terms of how different Israel react. There was some that reacted. Wow. They couldn't believe him. They made a and they were so excited. the Marsham wrote that he wanted to be buried with the because he was so convinced that this was the real and they say the were the I don't know I didn't research this myself but that for sure were major that's for sure they were mass-producing them by the tens of thousands so there were that for sure and they took upon themselves 100%. One of the anecdotes they say is that Reba went to Kitna and he asked him to put on the he says the the belt doesn't do it and if the belt doesn't do it I'm not going to do it. I'm not doing something that the belt doesn't do. So they say the went to the window and he saw there was a water carrier that was walking outside. So he called him over. He said he comes to the window and he says let me ask you a question right your lad. He looked at him. He says, "I don't know what you're talking about." He turned to And he told him says, "Everybody, THE WHOLE WORLD KNOWS THIS HAS NO IDEA WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT." He said, "When talk about the belt, they mean people that know people that are holding in the sun, they're the only ones." SO HE SAID, "IF YOU'RE going to wear it and I'm going to wear it and the others and the others are going to wear it, then the belt will have done it." What do YOU MEAN THE BELT doesn't do it? When we define the belt, this is what we mean. But either way, he sent this to a lot of but the one that responded in the most way not surprisingly and really this is the for all the people that will tell you I don't care if it's the or it's not the I'm not wearing it was the BI the responded to to the balas and the balei told him there's no mess on and if there's No onus. We're not going to wear. Now, to be clear, By told him other things as well. One thing BI told him is that say that it was hidden. So, if it was hidden, it sounds like it doesn't exist anymore. Now, you could be a facic on that. Hidden maybe just means it's like punked hidden. Hidden that it's hidden that no one's allowed to find it. And oh, by the way, just because it's hidden doesn't mean you're never going to be able to find it. Some of this free it's mashed a little bit. It's hidden until good. There's another that told him which by the way he said it all by thinking the name of the but where the says in the parish of the said why does the interrupt the mitzvah with the It should have said why you putting in. So the said it's because we have but we don't have that part of the that's why we interrupted we interjected the word in the middle of the so said that it's not supposed to be again that you can also be how many were we missing it that means it's never going to come back again but that wasn't the was there's no messiah and because there's no messiah even if it's the real he said we're not going to put on now what does it mean what's the what does it mean there's no messiah what does that mean there's no messiah now's now there's a messiah now we know how to do the mitzvah truth is there's a understanding of it and there's a hashkovic understanding of it the understanding of it is is that if there's no mia how to do the mitzvah we can't do the mitzvah we could only do do a mitzvah where there's a mess of how to do the mitzvah. If there's no messiah how to do it, you can't do the mitzvah better to do the mitzvah. There's no to do a mitzvah where there's no clear ms how to do a mitzvah. The reason we do mitzvah is not just because it says in the to do mitzvah. It's it's on the mitzvah and if there's no ON THE MITZVAH THAT'S FOR THERE TO be no and no obligation. It's but if there's no on the mitzvah there's no there's no obligation to do the mitzvah. That's one perish and there's no means that Tat didn't do it. Tat didn't win fillins so I'm not wearing fill that's not know what it means. No m means there's no mia how to do the mitzvah and if there's no ms how to do the mitzvah I don't know how to do the mitzvah and I'm not going to be to do the mitzvah either but there's a hashk component with it as well and that is so integral to yiddish we can't shepher and the minute we cher with ms even if we're being even if wow I'm going to do a mitzvah it's expensive I'm going to do something I hadn't done in the past but now I'm going to go ahead and I'm going to do it well if I go ahead and I do that what's here maybe maybe somewhere ELSE and it goes all the way back to and the minute we start deviating from that would have probably said the minute we start deviating from our messiah well at that point at that point we're risking everything and it's not the possibility and maybe the probability that we got the Right? B that I should do a mitzvah because the minute I do that I'm risking everything says in his most integral in the entire this is what keeps the sacred. This is what keeps it intact. And it's for that reason the B held could be you're right. Maybe you're right. But he wasn't a spoile. He didn't even want to meet with the they say it was because in his mind this whole Indian it was dead on arrival because in we don't have any tradition of doing this and as a result you could bring me all the in the world as as far as he's concerned it wasn't going to be you know one of the big arguments people make when it comes to the what do you have to lose it's pure upside you have nothing to lose and by the way what's the mccard that you have nothing to lose because even the gar says that if you put on and askon Right. Right. So let's say it's wrong. Let's say it's the fake. You didn't lose anything. You didn't lose anything. Right? That's one of the big arguments. What do you have to lose would say? What do you mean you have to lose the you're losing this? You have a lot to lose. Right? The other people say it's so based on that you should have to do it. That's you do already said that the only time you say is when if you're going to be you know for sure you're being the mitzvah. But to the extent that even if you're still not sure you're being it's this has a millionas on it. But this is a famous in that instance in that case there's no as a matter of fact there are people that argue that if you wear today and you don't could be could be because you're not doing the mitzvah in the appropriate way and you know how you're supposed to do the mitzvah. But again the the the real yeshiva terrorists to all these kashes is the bi there's no messiah on it and if there's no messiah there's no messiah and it's not just a heritage I don't do what my father didn't do that's not the is that is something that we observe and it's for that reason to the extent that there's no I'm not to could be I'm not even supposed to but the bottom line is that's how this plays itself out. So here's the final analysis lanas and that is it sounds like the the case to be made of the murk's trunculus being the is very very compelling okay discusses on it but it's it's very very very very very very compelling stating that the counter argument is let's say it is let's say it is doesn't necessarily obligate me to go ahead and do it which makes The controversy like all controversies fascinating but uniquely fascinating because really the two sides of the argument are not even is it the or is it not the I think most people think that's what the argument is it the or is it not the and listen we know that we're and we know that don't wear and didn't wear right we all know but at the same time what's interesting is is I think to the layman and the is it or is it not and I think it's easy to be convinced that it is stating that if you understand the argument albeit for sure from the from the which by the way trickled itself down to the way the manu and the went about this it was with that it's not even about that it's not about his they weren't his fault because at the end of the day we're not going to go ahead and we're not going to do a mitzvah We're not going to do a mitzvah that there's no messiah on. Truth is that really these two start again it started in the 19th century. There's so much from the whether it is or isn't the there's so much from the that's a to the modern uh debate and the modern controversy because let's be honest there was so many that wore the so if wore it and the wore it and the wore it and there were tens of thousands of that wore it. So you're going to tell me of course of it. There was so many sadikim that wore it but then again the bi from coming from the bish of the go and whatever there was so many that felt not that way. So obviously if somebody's not going to sites it's going to be came out of it that's also going to be fine. So again for sure for sure the precedent was set by the controversy two ways of looking at it and remember there's two components to this controversy. Is it or is it not? Does it does it even matter? And these are the questions that we started with. I think we're ending with the same questions to a to a certain degree, albeit hopefully coming from a little bit more of an intelligent and intellectual perspective. The bottom line is we should be we should be to finally have the the true nature of the reveal so that all will be able to wear the will be it'll be we'll all be wearing the same which will bring us to where we're supposed to be. Amen.