The Grilling Season Has Officially Begun

[Music] hello everyone and welcome back to let's talk kis presented by the kis awareness project in conjunction with Torah anytime today I am privileged to be joined by Rabbi David con administrative RAB coordinator with the CRC the Chicago rabinal Council how are you reab con I am good it's good to be here so nice to have you back yes and thank you for being here uh for previous installments and today I'd like to discuss with you a very practical uh topic that affects many people and that is pre-seasoned pans I know when you go into the store you could buy uh uh stainless steel or other different types of pans and and uh and sheets that are made out of different types of metal and very often they're coated with various Coatings Teflon or other things like that I'd like you to educate us today uh as to which of these types of pans or Coatings do present uh Ker's concern and if they do have a cas's concern is there any possibility to caser those types of uh pans and and pots to enable us to use them okay so um most of the pots and pans that we use are made of stainless steel or aluminum they don't rust um some of them have a Teflon coating on them to make them non-stick and those don't none of of those present cous issues those are all very straightforward there's no cous issues to them um but there are pants made of cast iron cast iron is like a more traditional just piece of iron and of course it will it will Rust if it left to its own devices it'll rust and it's also it'll food will stick to it MH um so there's one way to deal with that and that is called to enamel the pot okay they put and which is like a coating it's often colorful blue red green different kinds of colors and those are also not a cashous concern in mentioning that I'll just mention that the base of the pot is metal the coating is a glass that enam type of glass so it needs to be Tel with a br like any like any other regular powder Pan the one that's the most of an issue is the ones that are cast iron but they're coated they called they pre-seasoned with oil which means to see at the factory somebody uh they basically shmear oil onto it and bake it in an oven um and that what that does is it prevents it from rusting this this coating keeps it from rusting and it also gives it non-stick qualities um and they do it for you you could buy on that's not preseason but lots of people want to buy it's convenient it comes preseason and um the concern therefore is well what's that oil do we have no idea whether that oil is kosher or it's not Kosher um and if it's not koser then you just got a pot that uh baked into it with non- kosher oil and then obviously the concern is when you're baking in your house that that's going to be absorbed into into your food right that's correct that's and it's meant to stay there it's there it's put there on purpose and it's there um they're not putting it in for the flavor of it but it can give taste into your potentially taste into your food so if that oil was not goer you have a problem so it's typically put on these pans first of all to prevent rust and also to create that non-stick um Quality quity quality right so what first of all how do we know I go into a houseware store uh how do I know what pots and pans are are of concern you're saying Teflon typically is not a problem correct and Mo again most people are using just stainless steel or aluminum pots they're shiny they're shiny they met they look like metal those are not a concern these are they're called the preseason cast iron you would see them they're usually black those are is cast iron typically only used for commercial or is it used for no people use it at home it has whatever reason why people prefer one pot over the other or pans like for like griddles um and they're um and those they're notot shy bet it they'll tell you that it's preseason and it's cast iron it's very heavy it'll be it's heavier than your everyday stainless or aluminum pan um or copper um and you you could see that it is that's it's not a secret you know uhhuh so I go to the store and I and I so typically cast iron is the only one that that is of concern is that what you're saying okay so that's rule number one if it's not cast iron I could rest assured that it's okay problem so I bring home a cast iron pot or pan I bought it I want to use it and then I notice this issue what what can I do about it okay so what we need to do is we need to cure it okay and we need to get rid of that tra that's in there okay so the first question we have to think about is wait a second before we think about curing to like you know curing like with boiling water we'll talk about that in a second is wait a second if if there's someone put oil into there and it's on there as a coating do I have to clean it oil first I have to get rid of it first before you C you can't cure a dirty pot right you can't so if there's actual oil on it if they as a coating then so we brought this child to Schwarz we said him do we have to get it off first which and the company will tell you don't wash this with soap make sure you don't get what they say yes we put the coing on we put the coating on on purpose we put we we seasoned it for you so that and don't get it off don't put in the dishwasher because it'll come off so we how are you supposed to wash such a pop by the way you wash it gently gently you wash it gently and so um so short is that considered that it's B end it's residue that you have to get rid of so he touched it he went like this and he says I feel nothing I see you know even though we all know that there was a coding was put on he says when kazal said that there are Bas that's what they were talking about it's something that you can't see and you can't touch it but it's it's in there and you know it's there he says that's what a b is B is not something magical he says what we're looking at is a so now we could turn to the okay we have how so that also had a shil to it and that is there's a the Rami pan who says is that when you use a pot with iser even if it's in liquid form if it has direct contact between the iser and the pot you need to lion uh which would mean is in this case the the oil if it was not Kosher um had Direct contact with the pot when it was in the oven it would need to have lib that's not realistic nobody could do Li but that's not accepted accept is the only time you need liun is if when it's a solid food that had Direct contact with the pot so say someone cooked a piece of tra meat on your in your pan then it would need Lebon but a liquid does not need to have le so you need to do haala to it and to do haala basically you need to get a big pot boil water and put this uh cast iron pot into it um just bear in mind a couple of things and that is these tend to be very large IR pots so you could do haal one part at a time you don't have to get the whole pot I was going to say to clarify eroy which is pouring hot water on not it's not sufficient you have to immerse you have to immerse the item in the water but like you're saying because they're very large you're probably not going to be able to find the pot to be able to put the whole pan or pot into but you could do it left side first and then the right side that's fine and the second thing is is that because they tend to be very heavy what's going to and very dense when you put it into the water the water is going to stop boiling because the all sudden you're dunking this cold piece of metal into the boiling water the water is going to lose its boil so what we tell people is put it in wait for get the water boiling put it in and then wait for it to boil it again m i mean now it'll have heated up the the the the pan as well um now you did that now go to the other side and C to the other side as the same thing is very interesting any final thoughts on this or is that it no um well you know let me throw one other thing there are some wooden boards you could buy that might people might put into barbecue they have a similar issue this is not a pan anymore this is wood and it also could be Co with a CO if they use just mineral oil or they put nothing onto it those are fine mineral oils kosher um or if they put no coating onto it that's fine but some of those also will say that they put on an oil coating onto it not again so that that the meat shouldn't stick to it or what whatever reason I'm not sure what the reason for that is I guess it's for that and these these pieces of wood that people use to grill and so on and so forth how would I know if I buy it if there's a concern you have to poke around fine look at the manufacturer see if it comes with some kind of oil on top of it if it's just mineral oil you're good if it's no oil it's also fine and but if it has like a vegetable or you know oil or animal fat to it then we would we would you'd have a problem you have a problem because you can't cure that right um right you probably can't put that into boiling water yeah I I would think you know but right um if you could put I guess what would work but I I don't know if that it can handle that you know so right okay okay thank you so much wonderful discussion sure happy to be here [Music]