Tisha B'Av: We've Suffered Enough! So What Does Hashem Still Want From Us?

this torah class is brought to you by [Music] torahanytime.com want to begin by thanking the young israel of woodmere for uh their hospitality and hosting us this morning i want to thank rabbi axelrod and rav shakhtar and bez hashem we should be together bruce i was completely stunned literally speechless on arab shabbos so i've been giving a shirt in the young israel of kugan hills for over 10 years to a group of older gentlemen retirees and i give this year on wednesday and friday and this past friday before this year there is an announcement the gentleman announces before this year the sponsor of this year so the gentleman announced this week's share is sponsored oh there are two sponsors this week firstly jack is sponsoring jack is sponsoring jack is sponsoring lilo nishmas his son daniel so you hear this group consists of older gentlemen grandparents great grandparents and you hear someone sponsoring lily nishmas their son you know your heart goes down goes out to them jack is sponsoring lily nishmasa's son whose yard side is tishabov and then the man making the announcement donald says and i'm also sponsoring today shir okay if you expect he's sponsoring the shirley nishmas his grandmother his great grandmother donald is sponsoring the sheer iloi nishmas his daughter you know that's already call it a day after that he says i'm also sponsoring the shirley nishmas my daughter whose yard site is tish above i didn't even know i was waiting for already the next day you know it was 9 30 in the morning i was waiting for the next day to come here are two men i don't know in their 80s one i think in their 90s mourning the loss of children both of whose yard site was tishabhav what could you say after that but that's what tish above meant means for claudius royal national disaster and personal tragedy from the time the miraglen brought their slanderous report on earth israel 3 300 years ago claudius cried for naught this day has been forever seared as the day of tears the first place of mikdash was destroyed the second base hamikdush was destroyed the great city of bataar was captured on tish above tornas rufus plausi roushalayim throughout history tisha buff has been a lightning rod of jewish disaster the great city of alexandria which by the way was bigger than bethar was destroyed on tish above the jewish community of england was expelled in the year 1295 on tishaba barbanel writes kales gamatria that's the year 1295. call us 55 that's year 1295. writes the jews of france were expelled on tish above of course we know the spanish expulsion was scheduled for tish above world war one broke out on tish above i remember right before my bar mitzvah it was tishbov i was walking with my father to our shul agoda we were on an avenue l on east 29th and we look ahead and the shulve nano it wasn't there anymore it had burnt down on tish above i have a cousin he was a taira guy he was involved in a community really a holy jew and he contracted a rare illness he passed away two years ago erev tishebov the lavalier was tish above right after the guinness so it's a day of national disaster and a day of personal tragedy so to hear two old men both mourning the loss of children both on tish above ma noimar umanadabar isn't it enough already have we not suffered enough do we still need to suffer more what does the ibunisham still want from us a year of coven 19 we figured okay life was coming back to normal and then blow after blow mayron stalin surfside you would think that we fulfilled our quota you think we would met the quota already you know one of the great heroes of the jewish people one of the great leaders of the last century who tried to encourage and to inspire his tamidim in the darkest of hours the pizzetznareva of kalinamus kamen shapiro piazzatna and the rebel would deliver a drasha every shabbos and he would try to elevate the tamidim inspire the talmidhim give them hope give them courage he would record his drasha after shabbos and then hoping that one day his russia would survive he actually buried the droshos in the warsaw ghetto it was discovered after the war and was published in 1960 under the title ishkaidash here is ajirasha the pietsetsnareva gave in 1941. chanukah 1941 and the rebel basically said as follows my entire tell me them we've been here before persecution humiliation this is not a new experience this is not a new phenomenon we are very well acquainted with this type of life throughout our history we've been there we've done that we've persevered don't think this is the first time something like this occurred this was the joshua he gave chanukah 1941. a year later the 18th of kiss slave the rebbe took the jurasha and he made an amendation to the drasha he retracted he revised his drash of 1941 and you could see it in the pietsetsna rebba's handwriting he writes the following footnote only the suffering up to the end of 1942 was comparable to previous disasters the jewish people have endured but since then since the winter of 1942 the unusual suffering the cruel barbaric murders the monstrous torture that they invented for base israel says the rebbe in my opinion and my understanding of jewish history never never never in the long saga of jewish history do the jews ever endure anything comparable to what has started to occur after the winter of 1942 writes the rebbe hashem your molenu keheref ayan i retract my comments of 1941. ghettos banning religious activity humiliation been there done that but the systematic program of extermination rounding up tens of thousands of jews and gassing them killing jews hundreds of thousands sometimes in one day it was sui generous something mankind and the jewish people never experienced no event in the long and painful history of exile can remotely compare to the death camps and so the pietzettes nareba revised and retracted the hanukkah russia of 1941. no we've never seen this before the rebbe said there's nothing that we ever experience that could give us the perspective to assimilate what's taking place this change in perspective may shed light on another historical controversy a controversy that has been brewing for 75 years we know in 1942 a secret underground resistance movement started to form now this underground movement was uh what you call the odd couple it was a very disparate group of people you had left-wing zionists you had members of jabatinski's right you had anti-zionist socialist bundists and they all got together and they created a guerrilla force of a thousand fighters who began to smuggle weapons into the warsaw ghetto and these this was the beginning of what is called the warsaw ghetto uprising instead of smuggling in food they smuggled in ammunition they made homemade grenades their motto was we will no longer be herded into the concentration camps like sheep to the slaughter we will resist we will defend jewish honor better to die by a bullet fighting for our lives and perish like sheep in the gas chambers even if we're killed at least we'll take some nazis with us the time for revenge has come however many in orthodox circles particularly in the world of agudus israel disapproved of the operation some felt the revolt unnecessarily hastened thousands of deaths dictates that one is not allowed to expedite the death of even a single life even by a few moments it was argued better to continue to hide out in basements and in in barns and prolonged their so their survival by the time 1943 came in the spring germany had already been defeated in stalingrad they were retreating the tide had squarely turned hundreds of thousands of allied troops had landed in normandy and if the jews could hang on for a bit longer maybe some of them could survive moreover many believe that taking up arms is not the appropriate jewish response to crisis better than killing germans rather focus your attention shuva tafila utsadaka jewish pride is expressed not through bullets and ammunition but ammuna in the darkest of times this is a historic moral ethical hashgraphic dilemma and controversy that has raged for 75 years was the worst uprising sanctioned by gadolo israel and we want to focus on one specific aspect of the controversy the opinion of the great going what did rahman ahmed zamba hold about the warsaw ghetto uprising who was ramanakam zemba he was held in the highest of esteem by torah jury he was under 40 years old he had already been offered the prestigious position chief rabbi of jerusalem when ramirez shapiro passed away he was appointed russia he was offered to be russia shiva beshiva and rav of lublin which he turned down before his 40th birthday he was the honorary secretary of the mayasas gadoli torah in europe he authored more than ten thousand pages of hiduche torah a commentary on the entire rambam called a commentary on the entire yusami called menachemirushalayim hundreds of chuvas and original khadushin on the babali and the madrish ramanacham zemba had a prize student before the holocaust named rabbi simcha elberg who escaped from warsaw before the uprising he fled to shanghai with the mir yeshiva he settled in new york he was a member of the executive board of aguilas israel he was the executive director of something called agudas harabanim and he was the editor of one of the earliest torah journals hapardes and rav elberg writes as follows he wrote it in hebrew and pardes in 1959 and it was published in the desvart in yiddish with the following note on the bottom that has never again appeared on any article in the shavart this reflects only the opinion of the author never again did the editor of the the shevard write that little comment on the bottom of an article writes rabbi ellberg and i used to hear about rabbi elberg from uh in queens rabbi warmin warmon who is a friend of rav elberg robelberg writes and he states emphatically and unequivocally that ramanacham zemba must have opposed the uprising but what do you mean the barcode revolt was defended and supported by none other than rabiyakiva himself rebecca was the arm bearers of barca says of elberg akiva was different that was a war in eretz israel that was in the jewish homeland against foreign occupation it had a reasonable chance of success but cesar of elberg the worst ghetto uprising was conceived from its beginning as a suicide mission it was taking place in the galas it was only to restore jewish pride such an operation would never be supported by rabban akhmsen on the other hand since then many testimonies have since surfaced from the warsaw ghetto indicating contrary to of elberg's assumption that ramanakam zemba supported the warsaw ghetto uprising rabbi zacharia fendell in his book from dusk to dawn not to be confused with another book similar to that cites the testimony of yehuda arie feingold a survivor of the ghetto who published in the hat sofa newspaper in 1946 yehuda arya feingold visited ramanakam zambon ramanakam and rezemba said as follows i am telling you that this is the way to rise up to oppose through action with weapons in hand there are many among us who are opposed to the uprising this is a foolish tendency in man to think the evil will never reach him the way i see it according to there is a mitzvah in the uprising there's a mitzvah to rebel to use all tactics of war kid another important source are the well-known warsaw ghetto diaries of rav hillel seidman historian who survived the ghetto eventually became a journalist in new york and he writes in his diary ramanakam zemba declares at least we should not have gone voluntarily to the um we should have tried to resist but we fooled ourselves with wishful thinking the germans told us don't worry you have wealthy relatives in america who will bail you out baruch morgenthau belisha so we believe them zemba there are different ways to kill the sha-shem and it depends on the circumstance in spain in the times of the crusades where the only way to save ourself was baptism then the way to sanctify the name of hashem was we had to give up our life however says ramanacham zamba today the only way to be mekadesh is armed resistance and this is the position that i personally heard from a first-hand source my grandfather zechariah told us many times that ramanakam zemba emphatically endorsed the worst of ghetto uprising and that was the kid of shashem in fact my grandfather served as ramanakam zamba's personal lookout during the war saguetto uprising he was uniquely suited for this task because he had exceptionally good vision in fact when he reached 100 years old he wants lamented the hardest part about turning a hundred is reading the rashi oysters in the gemara quite a disparate difference of opinion between the viewpoint of rav simcha elberg and that of those who personally were in the warsaw ghetto it has been suggested and this was written by maya did haravdov lokech that just as the piasetsna rebba retracted and revised his comments after the winter of 1942 and he concluded that in fact the events of the holocaust have no parallel in the saga of world history conceivably the events of 1942 may have changed the attitudes of hagon rabbin zemba ravelberg knew and studied under ramacham zamba before the war under conventional circumstances ramanakam zemba never would have supported armed resistance but in 1942 unprecedented times call for unprecedented measures the systematic attempt to eradicate the jewish people transcended all familiar halachic and hashgraphic principles delineated by previous generations may be categorized at what is considered the proper hira shah under an unparalleled unprecedented attempt to annihilate claudius so we as a nation have already experienced and suffered the indescribable incomparable unparalleled why do we still need to suffer more what are we lacking what does ribensham still want from us and here's the thought that's been brewing inside me for some time the pastor says in particular listen carefully to how the torah describes the makdash album on this pasok the album asks what is the mikdash called the place that god has selected that's the mikdash we don't know where exactly it is there's no sign here is the base of mikdash the mikdash is and how do you know where it is says it is only taught to us by the navi so in order to know where the mikdash is you need a prophet the prophet says here here's the mikdash ask them album so if you need a navi and hashem has to tell you where it is so why did david hamel come running to the navi and say navi tell me where it is it's not up to david it's up to the prophet why is david preempting the navi says the album from here we learn as says hashem he didn't wait for the navi to come how did david know that even though the navi was going to say where it is he has to seek it out he learned it from this passage god will never tell the prophet we're to build the base hamikdash until we haggle and we hound the prophet where is it going to be god will choose it god will select it god will tell us where it is only if we harass the navi when are you going to tell us we have to be deuresh the navi there's something we need to do that we can't live up to so what do we need to do here the pasik is saying god will be boychar the mikdash but only if we're doing the mikdash what do you need to do do you need to go there not allowed to go there so how you doish the mikdash listen to the following pastor near me i will heal you says hashem hashem and from your wound i will cure you in dire is sion no one seeks her out listen to these words five words says rosh hashanah you must seek her out she ain't coming back to us until you seek her out mccloud you must seek her out so what does that mean how do you seek out sian i've been wondering about this for eight years since i saw them album how are you doiresh sion and this year i bought a safer on zmeroys from rafael kenyawski i was very excited he has a comment on these words says you want to know what it means to be doiresh sion you need to look at targum unclass on the word jerisha in tanakh where do we have the word edge roish the ach as dimrham i will seek out the blood of the murderer um ed rush we have the word do race three times says targa munchless um where else do we have this values means to be tauveya to claim to mun to demand ema no one demands sioin mccl drisha from here we learn koniewski we must be toy yeah and if not okay so at least uh at least i want to make a few bucks i want to have a good supper tonight hum ha you know we don't demand it you say the words see mccloud what does drisha mean you have to be taiveya it says if you look in the money on shmuel in the times of he lost the lives of many soldiers why did they die says the madrid shallow tavo es binyan asked the madrish but they never saw a base on magnus base something this wasn't built yet says the madrid for halloween if people who never saw mikdash were held liable for not demanding the mikdash we we know what a mikdash was we have to be tauveya therefore says the madrish hiskinu naveem harishanim shay israel misbala let's it's well known that after the riskarov was the robin slutsk he wanted to retire can't imagine why a rabbi would want to retire but then he was offered the prestigious position of rov of brisk twenty-five thousand yiddin living in the city of brisk briskarov felt you know after spending a long career in rabbonus he would be able to learn to write to have some manuka sanefes without the oil of rabbanus and a messenger came to the base salavi and he says basalevi i don't understand 25 000 jews are asking you to take the job and the vasa levy turns to his wife and he says give me my kapata if they're asking me i can't keep them waiting i can't refuse them and the prophet would say over the story and the sky would say if the brisk arov cannot turn down 25 000 jews who are waiting and asking him then how does mashiach keep us waiting for so many hundreds of years but we're waiting for him we're asking him and the prophet says we're not waiting for him and we're not asking him we're not waiting we're not asking we live our lives we go to our jobs we build our homes and we say meshiach let me know when you come let me know when you're here if we would really be waiting if we would demand it then the abundant sum couldn't turn us down this is a teaching that is explicitly mentioned in the work of levy in the kusari kusari of course records the dialogue between a christian a muslim and a jewish scholar with the king of the khazars he was searching for the true religion and the king was finally convinced of the authenticity of judaism but he had one pickpock on the practice of the jewish people he had one question to the king to the jewish scholar he said all day long you pray to return to sian to rebuild you shalom to me it seems like it's just lip service it's just like sips of hazarzia the chirping of a bird and the jewish scholar conceded you're right we don't really mean it we just mouth the words and the kuzari then writes the following promise to the jewish people he says believe of shalem of an effect if we would only prepare ourselves to return to hashem wholeheartedly and wholesomely says the kusari i promise ryan the ribbon would redeem us immediately like he redeemed us from egypt but says the kuzere we don't ask for it and we're not waiting for it have we suffered enough we've suffered enough a long time ago we've had our fair share a very long time ago what then do we need to do says the novi yermia see inla no one is we don't demand it and we don't ask for it but if we would come to ibari you owe it to us you said you said kasher di bharta then the evanshaw would say you didn't even have to ask you don't have to be doy reish it's makoi masha yivkar hashem i've already selected it but to hear those words you first have to be doish and if we are we'll all be so to see us 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