Interesting Laws of Tefillin - Rav Reuvain Mendlowitz

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the idea of wearing fillan in the morning putting on Fillin in the morning uh when going to Shool okay it's brought down that uh person wakes up and he's getting ready to DAV in and it says in it's brought from the Z that there's an inion for a person not to leave his home without being enveloped as it were in his Talis and filling and uh I think I guess all of us were the vast majority of us are from and this has fallen by the wayside say the reason for that is because it's not practical it's not to walk in the streets when there are uh in the streets it's just not uh it's just not feasible so it's not really something that's kept too much [Music] here in ER Isel though this really uh it shouldn't be too difficult to do and indeed it's something that people see often uh and it's kind it's relatively common so I just wanted to address it for a moment um just because of something that's a side point related to it but I think brings out a very important idea so just as a general matter the the marar as I said comes from the Zer and the Zer says that if a person walks out of his house passes the mza wearing his Talis so there are MIM that accompany him to sh and the malim that are M against a person are standing behind as the malim that are accompanying the good malim that are accompanying the person are giving him BR and the negative the M are forced to answer to all the that the person is receiving this is what's going on as a person comes to sh in his tal fill when a person enters sh is brought down he's supposed to say the is referring to somebody who's wearing fill because it says fing is something that inspires a of people indeed we're probably many of us have heard there are many stories of G the stories with the Ben the stories with the and others about uh times that they were wearing Fillin when they were casted by no in the street and the were stricken with panic when they saw the Fillin upon the ad God so Raa Feinstein says that well before we get to before we get to so what are the why is it that some people are not on this one of the that's brought down is because sometimes the streets are not especially in this country more so than in actually there's Mish there are these huge dumpsters and uh they give off a and sometimes it could be a sh to walk past such a thing wearing Talis and filling so the P can say that there's an for that a person can cover the TS and Fillin and there's actually a what's preferable is it preferable to put Onin at home knowing that someone's going to be passing through what's called and just cover thein and that solves the problem or is it preferable to not put on thein at home rather go to sh without the talison Fillin because of this problem of the and put them on in the courtyard of the sh that's by the way just an important idea as well even if somebody's not able to put on the fillan at home he still ideally should put on thein in theer of the sh and only then enter the sh I think the K says that if a person is already in the sh he should go out of the sh and put on his thin and come back inside so again this is a preferable to put on the Tain at home and cover them passing through or is it prefer preferable to put on the fill in the courtyard of the and not to wear them through the says something that I just wanted to start with this because it's such an extraordinary idea ra says in the in that when a person wears fillan the person becomes infused with the kadha of and Raa says that it's not going to help to cover thein because even if you cover thein but you can't cover yourself right you can't walk to uh enveloped in a in a black garbage bag that's not right so the person can't be covered even if thein can be covered Raa says so if you can't cover the person so you're not accomplishing anything by covering the filin because a person who's wearing thin is onetick Kad and he has all the this this is a it sounds to us like you know okay a nice inion sh very beautiful you know person wearing t and has kadha wow so nice no Raa is saying he's saying he's saying something that's M that a person becomes one and and he's not permitted to walk in the streets wearing his thill and passing by these dumpsters as it were because of this problem and therefore would come out according to that he would side with those that say to put on the in the courtyard of the so I'm not I didn't bring this up to try and tell people what to do what to be one way or the other they Place him on both sides of the discussion but I'm just trying to bring out the idea of how important and how the Mitzvah ofin is that Raa holds that a person wearing Mish becomes kades so with that in mind I'll just uh I'll go according to the list over here and again if anybody has any other questions he can feel free to ask I don't think it's uh there's no regarding these questions or the order that they're in right okay so actually the first question does involve uh and that is do do black straps matter how black is black so as far as that question is concerned um so black it's now how black is black I assume that the question is referring to the idea um does the entire Rua have to be black in other words we are all familiar hopefully uh with the idea and with the fact that some people's some people's ruus have I made a bro already um that some people's ruas have little like white spots or um streaks or tears scratches and that creates a white Mara on the rsua so does that passel the rsua so this is actually a uh this is aimim raises this this issue uh and what he's addressing primarily is the following issue ruas have to be a requisite with and a requisite length so the let's say for argument sake the has to come down until here about 16 cm down from the knot so let's say beyond that point over here the r has this White Spot says he's if that's going to pass the what one side is well if the rsua has to be black and there's a white spot so the RSU is not black the RSU is not going to be koser on the other hand says the Mish the amount of r that I need is black so if what's after that is not black who cares what's what's the big deal as we say that that shouldn't present a problem on the other hand says the perhaps you don't say in this situation because since there's a din that so the entire has to be black and it applies to the entire so this sh he's not the first one to bring this up to this is already discussed by the in his it's discussed by it's discussed in and uh so they areed to say that for the is black so then theu is going to be kosher so that provides for plenty of leeway person could have multiple white spots on his RSU and that's not going to present any problem the Kish had a different take he said it's totally of and which means that it depends it's hard to give a right now but Al it's to in how much of the r is going to be not black and where it's positioned on the Rua that's the position of the and the fact of the matter is that the himself is not that it's going to he leaves it as a so the fact of the matter is that again I'm not uh I'm not here tonight to be any but the bottom line is if a person has such a situation so for the AAR what he's had until now so certainly there's what to rely on to be make person doesn't have to you know uh do any major CH before that he hasn't been wearing to that he was on the other hand the at the end of the day is M about it and therefore ideally a person should have that paint and he should paint his which leads us to a related topic and that is uh the idea opions rub rub um uh part and ker says says that if when you look at the ru he kind of Compares it to like an es or or um or other things in yish where you look at it you know from this length and if the black if the white spot is not noticeable so he says then it doesn't really count the fact that when you hold it up and you examine youru you see little white spots that's garnished he says you look at the overall appearance of the ru and so long as it seems it looks black so then it's not going to present an issue you say white spots you mean cracks where it's the paint is broken away could be anything something on top of the the straps something on top is nothing something on top you could usually just take off with your fingernail or with a toothpick or whatever it is usually that won't present an issue you could just remove it um but but if the rsua is uh worn so uh you know it becomes uh less black the black becomes faded it becomes cracked and white uh cracks appear so as I said this leads us to a related issue and that is people ask all the time well what's better is it better to have the all black ruas or is it better to have the uh traditional for lack of a better term or call the traditional ruas which everybody had until 10 20 years ago the RAS which were black on the outside and white or the natural color some some sort of natural related to natural color uh on the inside so there is a big misconception many people wear the all black RS and they say yeah you know why I'm wearing it I'm wearing it to be why is that because the r says that that the back of the should be the back of Thea and the btim and everything should all be the same color he says that that's no interesting a in the Frank R they bring a GE that it's G for everything to be the same color but I don't I think that it's seems to be relatively accepted that that GE is not the correct GE correct GE is no that it's nice if everything is the same color and the back of the RSU is black so some people say that the reason they're wearing these Ras is but that's really um it's not really the case uh and the reason is because all including the in the and the and many and before the all say that the Min is not like the ra so it's clear that from the time of the ramam already and onward the Min never was like the r and if all the and all the are saying and the and the ra saying that the Min is not like the R so that means that there's really no inion to be the of the again if there was no establish one way or the other and you have then certainly would be very nice to be M ra but if all the PIN for 700 years are telling us that the Min is not not like the ram so the Min is not like the r uh I don't know I don't know um but uh I don't know I asked RAB rabi a few questions about but that question I never asked him it's probable that it's in his Chas if you look in ch I would imagine that he addresses it so why do they why did they come up with these old black ruas the reason is because of what we were discussing a minute ago and that is that if the ruas develop any non-black spots if they develop white spots so then there's going to be a Shila in the Casas of thein according to the be might not be the Mitzvah so came up with a great idea let's let take the Rua soak it in black dye it'll become saturated through and through black and M it'll be like the example I gave this morning like a piece of chocolate cake if you cut a piece of chocolate cake and you look inside the cake it's not white it's black because the whole thing is black so if you do the same thing with the rsua you soak the rsua you saturate it completely that it's black so you'll never come to a situation no matter how no M it's not going to be be faded no matter how old or worn out or or scratched your Rua is you're never going to have a white spot if you're never going to have a white spot so then um you avoid this Shila and that's really the reason why these ruas were created it happens to be that Alaba it's brought from the Aral um that to have the back of the RSU black unrelated to the ramb the Aral says that the back of the Rua should be black so there's a fascinating Benes the Benes says that so as we know the Benes generally followed theim of the Aral and he certainly was the greatest M of his time and had many cabalistic practices so it would seem as a that the would have all black Ras because it's brought Alaba to have all black Ras so there's a fascinating safer that was printed by Shalom yes where they have a safer uh which is an exchange of letters I think it's calledo if I'm not mistaken it's an exchange of letters between the benai and R Mani R Mani was a makal who lived in Kevan and he was one of the greatest M living in isra at the time and the Ben often would respond with him and they would discuss issues cabalistic issues and so forth so there's a fascinating uh Ben where he writes in h that he sent the sh regarding all black what's the in what do do in and he wrote back to him some we are all black ruas and some don't wear all black ruas that's what he wrote back to him so it's m you think like I I would have thought it was a that all the were all black that's s of SP from the arel so like it's a would be it would seem to be a no-brainer but yet you see that it was so not a no-brainer that the benai asked and the response that he got was you know yeah 50/50 like very non-committal type of response and he records it in the Ben it's masma seems to be very clear that the benai is not so gung about uh about this Min but on the other hand certainly not misn to it so the question arises why would somebody not wear them what do you have to lose if if you can avoid the sh of the you could be M even if it's not the Min and you could be M so what have you got to lose just just wear them so there are two primary uh approaches um of the what we'll call for lack of a better word the misnagdim to the all black ruas the most obvious problem that they have with it is that this is something that CLA hasn't done for 2,000 years and like to to come today after 2,000 years and start a new a new way of wearing filling like have a little bit of the T whole like you weren't ask to do it this way now you're trying to make it like this add this to it no is very different I would think because if you if you if you're missing it you're missing it right in terms of in Terms with um K was saying like let's have the whole thing made up yeah but over here but over here idea concept but over here you're doing it because you're being M the Mitzvah in a more fashion right like I'm saying either you're happing the rambam or you're happing the Caba or you're avoiding the Shila so it would seem to be all good it's not uh I'm not sure I'm not sure if the demion is 100% so they so again like I'm saying the first Tina against it is that it's very nice but L it's something that everybody could have done and nobody did okay in other words just to clarify this point because this is something that I think is often misunderstood today we computer I'm just giving an example we computer check all what does the computer check do the computer check checks for spelling mistakes in what do you mean how can you do such a thing 2,000 years they didn't computer check so what kind of is this coming around with this new new thing of being computer checked so what's the answer the answer is very simple because the rambam didn't have a computer to check his safe attire with and the V didn't have a computer to check his safe attire with had they had it they certainly would have done it the proof is because all the gum who were alive after the Advent of the computer check endorsed it and were very excited about it so there's nothing wrong with making use of new technology for the for the benefit of so that's a fantastic thing however uh one of the oldest professions in the history of the world world is dying uh animal Heights something that's been around from before mat they were dying animal HIDs so to have all black ruas is something that always could have been done it's not like the it's not like computer checking C they always could have dyed the hides totally black and they never did it Rashi didn't do it the didn't do it didn't do it didn't do it and even the Ben it doesn't seem you know like like he he may not have done it either that did it because of this but you see that those who went in the way of the Aral who followed all of his mhim this one some yes some yes some not so Al so that the the Tina against it is that in something like this to go and change a Min would be would be inappropriate that's that's one Tina against it the second tinina against it is that there's a Rashi inki brings this Rashi the Rashi in says as follows the is talking over there about a case where the Rua flipped right I think many of us are familiar that if a Rua flips there's a whole thing about fasting and it's it's an very in I'll just mention that that's referring only to the part of the Rua that's on the head and only the part of the rsua that creates the caser the hi on the arm but if it does uh flip the RSU meaning that the outside is on the inside and the inside is on the outside so then it's uh very problematic so Rashi says over there and I quote the black part flipped to the inside because what's the is that the black is near on the outside it seems from Rashi again he his lotion is the black side went to the inside well if the inside was also black so then what happened over here it seems clear from Rashi that the black side was the outside and the inside was not black that seems very clear in Rashi now the gamar says you're going to ask that you can make the back of the RSU any color so the answer to that question is that but not black apparently they must have made it some other color they made it green they made it yellow or they made it no color but Rashi is saying that the black part was on the outside the inside could be any color any other color pain could be not painted yeah that's that's what we've always done unpainted so the fact that it says the painted side be he says the the black side saying if if you are trying to cut clost trying to have a scenario like that which most of church history is like that yeah correct that will explain why why they didn't do it they couldn't afford it I don't think that's a little bit hard to swallow is is the same thing with G gas also the same is that yeah definitely it's the same thing they didn't have the technology technology yeah yeah they didn't have the technology it's uh it's uh it's done with with metals and presses and the Machinery the Machinery necessary for is Manu to set up shop to make gas btim costs tens of thousands of dollars it's not an exaggeration tens of thousands of dollars worth of Machinery in order to create btim from gases so yeah something that they didn't have the ability to do 100% so that's uh so those are the discussions now the the riot that kki brings so there are those that are the issue that it's against the Min for 2,000 years so again that the there are those that argue the bottom line is I don't think it's a secret there are those that are pro and there are those that are anti and uh a person should ask his local Orthodox Rabbi and if you listen to your Rabbi you'll certainly be in good shape so that's uh I think that's the issue of the the black ruas yes you supposed to tuck in your yes the point of not flipping yes yes it's brought down to tuck the Rua in cuz even those a lot of people like twirl the rsua in their belt right they do like a loop and I saw brought down that some people are not so excited about about that Loop you should just put it straight through yashash but yes it is brought down to to talk to Ben I think also brings a they had you know a much more complex uh complex system but was it be in order that it shouldn't flip is that I don't know if that I don't know if that's daa the reason but it has a number of benefits number one it won't flip number two it usually won't hit the floor if you do that whereas otherwise it could hang loose and it's possible I don't remember if you look in the Ben he talken that he says I'll PE Caba also that it should be tucked in yeah didn't you say that on the head by that flipping so why do we because the that's an excellent question the answer is because we ideally want the shiny black part always out that's that says is right is that the the out that the uh pretty part meaning the shiny black part should be on the outside so it's all the the the of his which we get very nervous about that's talking only on the head and over here but the etm it should be everywhere so it's flip down I see someone I don't have to say anything make if he'll appreciate if you say something then great otherwise I usually find that keeping quiet is better I'm sorry no once it's beyond the CER as long as it's after the CER as long as it's below the CER not above the Casher it's fine yes go back to weing it's filling going to yeah so not withstanding the of yeah great to your yes yeah 100% I'll tell you an amazing thing it's going to Knack your sacks off says if a person comes to sh and he's not wearing his Talis and filling he should skip the because it's a so how can you say the P the says to skip the P so yeah of course it's a if if there's no I was thinking about it you know this afternoon so I was thinking like if a person davens before 7:30 in the morning so then there's really no reason not to the streets are still relatively at least in this neighborhood you're relatively calm you're not I'm saying a reason not to wear thousands and filling in the street if a person's going to be bumping in to a million people and there's and there's women and there's children and it's a whole Bagan in the streets so then it's not practical to wear one's house and fill in to sh but if the streets are relatively quiet it's 6:00 6:30 7:00 in the morning there really 100% it's AAL good thing to to wear one's tal and put them on in the house put them on in the house and the lotion of Desire is passing out through the exit of your home uh wrapped escaned in your Talis and filling is AAL yeah from you said earlier the back smell from the garbage okay this is from town but not from you walk and not that's also a problem yeah 100% that would be a problem so that would go back to what I was saying before if that depends on who's in the streets and how many people in the streets and and what time of uh day it is for those who go to the too early to put on if it's too early it's too early so that's what the the K I referenced earlier if I'm not mistaken he says to to walk out of sh in other words if you're going to sh before the time that you can put youran on so that's fine you go to sh and you could sit and learn for an hour whatever it is um but when the time comes to put on talison filling you should go out to theer of the sh put on your Talis and filling and then come back in so yeah and repeat my that's I don't know that's just to know if you want to repeat it you're certainly not going to lose any yeah so a bu who would ride a bik to school for example oh so that's bring that's interesting question so the the question comes up about driving somebody's going to be driving to sh so should you wear your towels should you put on your TOs and filling before you get in the car so I saw that some say well look at the Bal A and L the Bal a l used to travel wearing the talison villain so if Bala traveled wearing the talison villain why shouldn't you wear your talison villain when you're driving on the other hand if I'm not mistaken if you do some searches you'll find about people that were given tickets for driving wearing the TOs in filling because uh the police officer determined that that caused the accident right if you have your TOS over your arm you lose a little bit of flexibility and uh it could be a little bit dangerous so actually one r that I asked I'm not kidding around I asked him this question if you should put on your thousandal and filling before you're going to drive so he he told me and I didn't say anything to him about these tickets and anything he said well if you're asking me he said I think you should put on your Talis and filling at home and as you're getting in the car are take off your Talis put it down in the passenger seat drive to sh and then put the Talis back on without a br because driving wearing a Talis is dangerous that's that's what that Ro told me so again indan if you work in t Aviv you know so to drive with the ital is a little bit uh not so practical I found it was only a 5 minute drive but I found that the Tali would uh the T would get stuck in the door in the door that's I've had that yeah so that's the only problem I have yeah so yeah I mean there's no I don't know that there's any right answer it's I guess it'si the individual if a person feels that he's able to do it then also you have to realize there's a there's another question of a person is not supposed to be when he's wearing Tain but the parameters of what's called are nebulous okay um if a person is going to check the scores of the game last night wearing his Talis andin that's certainly it's whatever you want to call it it's certainly not appropriate activity when wearing but if a person is working wearing his Talis and Fillin there's nothing wrong with that so uh wearing Talis and filling while driving intrinsically this there's nothing wrong with it but on the other hand again if a person feels that it's distracting and it's not practical then certainly it's best you know I guess it's best to avoid it but riding a bike I would think is worse than than driving cuz riding a bike a person gets shitzy and it's uh I again it depends on the person but it would seem my feeling would be that no it's probably better not to put on tals and fillan or even just fillan before riding a bike of course if it's raining rain oh S I actually had that uh written down on my cheat sheet over here to mention that if it's raining a person absolutely should either not put on his Talis and filling at home home or be very very sure that the Fillin are very safe he's wearing a a good rain coat with the hood whatever is necessary to ensure that the Fillin are not going to get wet because moisture is the enemy of Fillin I've seen countless filling that got ruined outside and inside due to excessive moisture and excessive moisture doesn't have to be rain if a person showers in the morning or a person goes to the Mikvah in the morning if he doesn't dry his hair properly see the go to the m in the morning but they don't really have too much here so for them it's not too much of a problem but for non someone who goes to the mik in the morning or takes a shower before Shak is getting into could could get into a major problem if he doesn't ensure that his hair is totally dry before davening similarly and this would apply like I was saying to someone riding a bike or even walking to schul potentially if it's a very hot climate and the person spitzes a lot so that's also something to take into account because schitz kills Fillin that's a fact um a person who's a who's a heavy sweater uh I'm not saying he shouldn't wear Fillin but he has to be very cautious uh one idea would be to put tissues in the they're called Shad the plastic cases he should put F not not sh with a test but with a d Shadel it's also yish she put a a tissue on the base of the sh and so that way so first of all he should leave his Fillin out for a minute or two after the daving he should wipe them down and make sure that they don't have any moisture on them and it would be a good idea to put a tissue which will absorb some of the moisture in the Shadel so that when he closes up his filling um you know it'll help in that regard but thein mamish mamish mamish I've seen dozens of pairs of Fillin that the bottom of the T Mish looks like an inverted uh soup bowl cuz it conforms to the Dome of the head and it just m warps you can use also desate that comes in the vitamins and shoes and things like that in the in the Shadle yeah and I thought you I thought you man to put it on your head okay no yeah in the Shadel yeah that's a good idea yeah okay no about the the ASA garbages in the street yeah there's a couple garbages you pass by you don't have to look at them correct so of if this it depends on the smell if the smell is very big see here uh we have a lot of them are closed also the're small also very often they're in a corner over here in to live in a town where the garbage situation is not so disastrous although sometimes when you're walking to SCH it's right when they're pulling all the garbage bins out to the street and that's really not so gak it's not not it's not so glad to walk the sh in such an environment so I call but in where you have these massive green dumpsters which you can smell from 20 ft away it's m it's not so P yeah right yeah right it was the filling activist that got it done yeah yeah the bike would be if you're going without a helmet you wouldn't be wearing a that's true you'd have to make a customade helmet that can if they can make customade raincoats right so they can make customade helmets that can uh um accommodate okay but you saido exposed also yeah 100% it's not so yeah um okay what else do we have over here oh it was here wearing the Jew yeah sure where to LIT The Edge on fire yes that's a different story that and he said was a fraud or something was yes it was a fraud there's a yid unfortunately would be better if he wasn't a yid um there's a yid who um his hobby is uh forgeries and the like um he's been caught uh selling Mattis repackaging yearlong matzes into PES matah boxes and selling them as Kos PES he's been caught selling lemons in boxes with hashas onim and uh so he one of his business ventures was that he took you have like chap meat right like hamburgers so he took like chapped leather and you like glue it together like like a sandwich you know uh not sandwich um siit right uh shelving so he took like that type of thing out of leather glued it together so he had one thing of leather then he took black plastic strips and with steam he would just affix these black strips onto these it's not really leather but uh what what appeared to be leather and he sold them millions of meters of such quote unquote ruas so the reason why he was caught was because after a certain amount of time some people's rsua started peeling and all of a sudden the gu looking as at his Rua and it's like like those fruit rollups you know like it just just comes right off so people started to see that the edge of the Rua the black and the white or whatever were starting to separate and you just go like that and the whole thing comes apart M splits in two he was actually taken to court um and if you want to read a very beautiful about written by a female judge in t Aviv who went through the whole Su um she took from all kinds of and and she went into the whole Su very very nicely I enjoyed it 40 pages and uh and she pasin thatle and uh from Aviv yeah from Tel Aviv and uh I could send you the PDF and uh yeah so we have a Bor from the from theat in Tel Aviv that the kosher so so there's two ways how you can know not you how a person could know if he has such ruas so one way is you boil up water and you dip the rsua into water okay so what's going to happen is it's immediately going to separate the black strip and the plastic leather other side is going to separate so that's one way whereas with the regular that won't happen and the second way which is much more exciting is you could just light the ritsu on if it burns it's plastic if it doesn't burn it's a real rsua I'm sorry just yeah just the tip gets a little singed it's okay so it's very exciting if you Mish if you enjoy for someone who's a pyromaniac it's a lot of fun you can M much like burn a whole bunch of plastic ruas so that was uh yeah that was so that happened that story happened uh I think it was less than 10 years ago eight years ago something like that people running around this all the time sure it's pule for sure right um it's actually interesting so okay so that raised an interesting question so sheep asking that it's puzzle um and a lot of Pim agree with her umer said it's p said it's p there's a lot of Pim that came out and said that it's pule so fascinatingly enough uh first I'll shock you and then I'll tone it down soash actually held that it's koser wow um but but not these Ras because the guy has noash held that AA is kosher even if the black is not painted into the leather okay in other words if theoretically a person has kosher leather which is with all the of and he takes paint and he paints everything on he does everything the way it's supposed to be done and for whatever reason the paint doesn't absorb into the it sits on top as a layer and and like a piece of masking tape a person could just peel it off so that that's not in whereas these other P held that that would the butash held that that would not pass the so the people you know who were sticking up for this guy said what do you mean but it's not true because held it ker if you have making the with all the and everything being done properly so in such an instance it would be ker because sometimes it does happen that there's a a problem with the leather for whatever reason and Atta doesn't go in and it could peel but that would be according to a kosher peeling R but this guy he was doing it in the Ukraine Alan and in other countries in Turkey I think uh there were various uh exotic places where he was making these ruas where he wouldn't get caught um so it was being made by g wasn't didn't have they would no they would just pule in in just Lam pule are there any who were making Rus like that no no it happens by accident all all of them the ones you can just peel off like that they were all well again you could have mud ruas that have that but generally it happens by accident not not on purpose they're not making those ruas they're making traditional ruas and for various technical reasons right but the on that you pe the whole yeah those are those are all made by by this fellow and his uh imitators use for toys for you know for for toddlers you know just they make it toys make it like yeahi um okay what should we talk about next um the correct placement of tan what if the eyes are not in the center of one's head okay so that you heard right um basically I'll rephrase the question the question is as follows the correct placement Forin is B and the correct placement for thead is on the mus on the lower half of the bone which extends from the shoulder down to the Elbow okay so you have the bone which extends from the shoulder till the elbow you take the Midway point of that bone you have a certain amount of muscle underneath it it should be in that area ideally that's the place that's the placement for the Rua there are others that hold that the entire raised part of the arm is can is suitable for theill the vill holds like that sh and there are those that say that that's the of the also although most understand of the not like that that's a different discussion for a different time but be that as it may it's important for thein to be placed in the correct spot because if thein are not placed in the correct spot [Music] says if the are not in the correct spot so it's like they're in the it's like they're in the bag you haven't really done anything so having the F in the correct spot is is of primary importance be that as it may um situations can come up which are problematic and that is if a person and there are people that have this um where their their body is not typical a person can have the muscle of his arm higher up it could be due to an operation that he had or some other reason so he can have the muscle on the upper half of of his arm or his eyes like we were saying in the question a person can have eyes which are not centered it's such a thing is is there are people that have these issues or a more common issue is that the filling are not supposed to come lower than the hairline okay so the the roots of the hair where the roots of the hair grow right I don't know why I'm pointing to my head because you can't see where it used to be but some people still have the roots of their hairline in the place where it was and uh that's the lowest point that the Fain are allowed to come to so what about a person who has a extraordinarily unusually low hairline would he be able to have his fill in lower or the opposite let's say a person has an extraordinarily High hairline would he have to now put his filling all the way back up on his head so I found says that that these M are um for the correct placement of where the correct placement of the meant to be if a person if the S don't work on him that doesn't change the m m is the same as it would be for a regular person so he says so if a person's hairline is within the range of what's considered to be normal so that then he would have to be mid on his own head that the fill and rests in the correct spot for him because he is what's considered to be normal or regular but if a person person is irregular and his situation is different than standard people soim says he would not have to be M or he would not be able to be make in terms of the placement of his Fillin whether it's on the arm or the head and he would have to put the Fillin in the normal place where most people have the Fillin so that's something to be aware of I actually had this recently B mitz Bo was by me in the in the house and uh and he had an unbeliev ably High hairline I never saw such a thing his hair I mean he had long hair so it came down it wasn't noticeable he looked he looks like a regular kid but when you're measuring the filling it was like wow his hair started like way up on his head and it mamish created for him what could potentially be a very tiny uh window of where he can place his filling so according to would not be a problem and he'd be able to put his Fillin in what would be considered to be a normal a normal range Wonder that's same what saying is that saying is that just a guideline it's possible I can't uh say for sure but it's sensible that it's definitely possible Yeah you mentioned that you're fitting a garments with boyfri yeah why is it that so many suffer allow T to leave their hands without fitting them on a child or an adult well if the child or the adult is there kids did you get your T from the sare and yeah fit it for you no uh who send them out with the grandparents and they take them the foot and they're fit for elephant okay so the first so the first the first answer to the the first the answer to the first half of what you said is what my rash always used to tell me when I would ask him such questions he says why are you asking me is the people who that do it that's the first as far as sending it with grandparents so what do you want them to do the kid is not in front of them this what are they supposed to do the so should make it so small or so big that nobody Cann well if it's fit for an elephant's head then it's going to be so big just you should know I once sent somebody p ofin and he called me up and and he was very upset and he said that I asked for a square Casher and he sent me a doll okay I felt terrible but he was in kzor and I was here it was very little I could do about it at the time so I apologized as best as I could and then he calmed down he said don't worry about it I took care of it I said how do you take care of it he said well I went on YouTube and I uh typed in caser sh R and there are videos there that showed how to do it so I just undid it and redid it so I asked him if it said on the video to make sure to say before you begin and he said that it did so wow okay so there you go so don't shoot me for promoting YouTube I'm not promoting YouTube but you should just know if you're really yeah if you're really stuck um you can find someone who has access to YouTube and ask him uh to show you how to do it my Google also helps right yeah so that's as far as the the Fillin uh placement is concerned once we're talking about it I'll just mention that there's a Yen B Park his name is RAR and he started a whole campaign um approximately 35 years ago uh encouraging people to have smaller Shel yats so it's an interesting topic so I'll mention it for a couple of minutes uh what's the idea of's small shats so the idea is as follows it's brought down the shame the shim shim was one of the some say it's actually R from the time of the gar but I think most understand that he was one an anonymous G from the of the in the 700s 800s 900s um and he says in the shim that the should be which is two by two which is according to 4 cm by 4 cm and according to the Kish 4.8 CM by 4.8 CM or Loosely stated 5 cm by 5 cm now because of this shim the minut has become an hour times in Europe it wasn't like this but in modern times uh if you take a look at standard Fillin if you measure standard ashkanazi Fillin at least um they are 5 cm x 5 cm that's the standard size of the base of the Fillin and the reason is as I said to be of the shim RAB what's the problem the problem is what we mentioned before that according to a number of Pim uh if the shalad is going to extend to the upper half of the muscle so then According to some one is not now that's very scary because a lot of people first of all are not really aware of this and not really mockit about it number one and number two um is for B Mitzvah boys it's uh could be very difficult to fit the fill in in the correct area so what's what's one meant to do said well very simple thing the idea of having t it's not even the sh doesn't hold that it's whereas having the not in the correct spot could be M according to manyin so let's make let's you know weigh the sides here I could make it as and in this nice of the or I could and maybe not be or I can make my Fain a little bit smaller increase my chances of beingz fill in and so I've lost the shim R so he encouraged this practice of wearing smaller shads at the time I remember uh I was in Yesa and we was around the time of Mitzvah and it was a big tumml at the time you know there was the pro camp and the anti- camp like everything else and uh and he had some gum taka backed him R shinberg was one of his big backers and and uh and there were many people that purchased those uh bom now the reason why they didn't become a big hit in the zeber is because they looked they looked funny for lack of a better way of saying it they looked funny because they were small they were the regular height so you could fit a regular sized para into the Fillin so it was regular height but it was it was smaller so the proportion was unusual and therefore it looked funny and it didn't really take off but then they came up with a compromise and that is that they started making shads that are 40 or 41 or 42 millim squared right so what's the Mila of that the mile of that is that you still have according to the she of which is I think more accepted by more people inel than the shear of the so he still getting the shear of number one and number two you're still getting it around 20% smaller so such btim are available and there are people that have them they look less uh unusual and there are those that have them now reash actually wore them himself for a different reason um but rash had them R shinberg encouraged many people to wear smaller shads and like I'm saying the that are very Pro on the other hand the that are not so excited about itner was not so excited about it Feinstein was not so excited about it and the question is why not like we were saying before right sometimes like what do you have to lose so the pce is because kki also I saw brought down he didn't he didn't hold that there's any major reason to to get them and the pasas is because they hold that the is like the gro and like we said before the grow holds that the entire muscle is acceptable for the and if the entire muscle is acceptable for the then one doesn't really get into a sha even a MIT really doesn't have a sha and since the is like the grow and for somebody who looks in the Mak of the inion as the B brings it I believe from the smack um it becomes the P taka is like the grow so the the the ra is a very biges to say that it has to be on the lower half of the muscle and therefore they hold um that there's no major inion a person doesn't have to be somatic to try and get it but again like we're saying the flip side of the other Pim is like at the end of the day what do you really have to lose so so why not get it so okay I'm going to leave it at that there are some that are pro and there are some that are not quite Pro and uh either way like we said before if a person asks his R and follows that advice he's certainly going to be in good shape yeah what what what was A's reason for's reason was because he had his head was different people have different shaped heads and and rash's head was shaped such that it wasn't flat on the top it was more I wouldn't say like a V but uh closer to a v than to being flat and M had a problem that thein didn't sit well on his head because he had B by him was narrow so since the fill are 50 mm wide and the mock that they were resting on was smaller than that so they were kind of hanging in midair on either side and uh uh you know it was difficult for him to keep them properly placed so there's who's still around still active his name is Elo Gman Rabbi ELO Gman he put out a very together with morg on the and he they were very close with rash they spoke to him every day for a period of about 8 to 10 years while they were writing their saer and uh and Elman noticed that ribash had this issue with his so he offered reash one day he said listen I'm sorry for you know budding into your business but I see that it's a you know it's problematic and and it bothers you I have an idea sir said what's your idea so Gman said to him my idea is that I can make a smaller sh I could make you a 41 or 42 size so that way you'll still have and it'll sit better on your head sash said sounds good let's let's go for it there happens to be a printed Chua from where he says that the Min was always like and not like the so didn't have a problem going with the especially as we said the himself says it's not M so Elman on his own without asking rash he figured once I'm making him a sh that's smaller I'll make him aad also smaller and that's what he did and he told me that when he gave ribash the btim he saw that ribash noticed that the shalad was also smaller and he hesitated for a split second and you know then he just let it go and he Tak War them regularly so he had a small Shad but not for the reason that we were discussing yeah tell me when to stop I don't know when I'm supposed to stop I as as as you said I I can speak you know for for the next few days yeah [Music] and Russi together yeah that's for sure below way below the below the the hairline oh below the four ctim oh for sure yeah it's half of that it's it's it's somewhere between it's around 25 usually I believe that should correct yes it's 100% true yakob Hill wrote an entire cont 100 pages long CH printed in his where he passionately advocates for wearing the two filling at the same time and he answers up has a whole Chua advocating the opposite position and ROV is very strong on the other side of the equation so if somebody wants to go through the two Chas and try and determine what he wants to do or he can ask his Ro and choose one way or the other or just follow uh his accepted minic good okay okay all right