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מומר בשחיטה

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If he gets killed before we go by there, they just open up the Shulchan Aruch and just see the seacum of the Machaber in terms of how these last bunch of Gemaras play themselves out. And the truth is that these halachas of mumar is from the in the Shulchan Aruch comes up in many different sugias. And by the way, even though we're not going to speak out any rate other than go through the Machaber right now, but Baruch Hashem over the years we've gone through this inyan many times and I checked before the shiur there's several related rate bites posted already to today's stuff that very much go into all the Well, I shouldn't say all, but many of the greater topics and some of the contemporary shailos that relate to a mumar. But just in terms of making a seacum on the last few dafin, just see how the laws of mumar play themselves out in halacha. So, this is all in Yoreh De'ah siman beis hilchos shchita. It starts sif beis. Mumar l'veillah l'teavon. Some of that some mumar l'veillah l'teavon. You throw a bite in the sack and you throw Shulchan Aruch. I yet give you biting the sack and the nice and light and gives it to the mumar and what the halacha and you're allowed to eat from his shchita. I'm skipping the badak l'sakin chilo. Let's say you didn't check the sakin. Also shchita, so you can't eat achi if you take it at the end of the day. As long as you do it afterwards. And the thing l'shchita you can't give him to shacht a few even if you take it at the end of the day. Smash it at the end of the day. Now, you have to check it before and as long as you check it before everything is going to be okay. What's the makarta siman beis sif beis? It's Rava's halacha. The way R' Ashi was metarish the Mishnah, but it's ultimately Rava's halacha. Shulchan Aruch paskins Rava's halacha. Why would the Shulchan Aruch paskin Rava's halacha? And by the way, I didn't look in any of the rishonim, right? This is not based on psak, so could be this is wrong. But just based on going to the Gemaras together daf yomi day. The Gemara brought Rava's memra and the Gemara said Tanya d'mesayea l'Rava. The Gemara in the bottom of daf alef says there was a braisa that supported Rava. It certainly sounds like the halacha is like Rava. Oh, and by the way, if you remember there was a layman mesayea later Rava from a second braisa from the Tosefta beginning of Maseches Chullin. The Gemara was doiche that could be when it says afilu mumar it's coming to mean marbeh. Which mumar? R' Nachman bar Yitzchak we just read the words of the Gemara tzufta d'Rav Nachman tzufta. Well, if that's the case working backwards, then it must be a layman mesayea l'Rava. Which means you have not one braisa, you have two braisas. There's two Tanya d'mesayea l'Rava. the halacha would be in Shulchan Aruch k'shchitas Rava, right? Pretty straightforward. I'm skipping now. Halacha zayin. Mumar l'achas. Some of the mumar l'achas afilu l'davar echad. Even if it's only l'davar echad. O shehu mumar l'eilim or he's a mumar l'avoda zara o l'chalel Shabbos b'farhesya or he's a mumar l'chalel Shabbos b'farhesya o shehu mumar l'chalel ha'Torah afilu chutz m'shnei amei. Or if he's a mumar l'chalel Torah kulah even if he's not a mumar for avoda zara and chillul Shabbos b'farhesya, dinei k'oveid kochavim. He has a din of an oveid kochavim. What's the makarta this? Now, as it relates to mumar l'achas, that the Gemara didn't talk about, but that Rashi and Tosfos that's something that emerged very, very much from all the rishonim that the only time there's even a discussion of being able to eat from a mumar is if he's a mumar l'teavon. Then you bite in the sack. But if he's a mumar l'achas, how could you trust him, right? I mean the Gemara didn't say it in the first, but it sort of jumped off the page. Rashi and even more so in Tosfos. As it relates to a mumar l'avoda zara, him shchita not being okay. It was Rav Nachman bar Yitzchak and even though he had a raya from Yehoshafat melech Yehuda who was a tzaddik gamur who ate from Achav, but at the end of the day the Gemara said tzufta. So, the Gemara said tzufta. It's really not much of a conversation. It was pretty much knocked out. What about a mumar l'chalel Shabbos b'farhesya? So, the same tzufta on Rav Nachman bar Yitzchak meaning that same third party braisa that said that a mumar l'avoda zara is dinei k'oveid kochavim said a mumar l'chalel Shabbos b'farhesya. And it's based on that you have the makarta. Now, the Machaber for his oil is o shehu mumar l'chalel ha'Torah afilu chutz m'shnei amei dinei k'oveid kochavim. What does that mean? That's based on something that the rishonim speak out and that is why do you have to tell me that a mumar l'chalel Torah kulah is a mumar type of life is a mumar l'chalel Torah kulah he's a mumar l'avoda zara anyways and a mumar l'chalel Shabbos presumably b'farhesya anyways. So, why do you have to The answer is the rishonim say that you see from here that whatever we talk about a mumar l'chalel Torah kulah it means even if he's not a mumar for those two things. So, that that and even if it's the other tough rishuyot al mitzvos that in and of itself would also be enough for somebody to become a mumar. Halacha vov. Mumar l'achas mishar aveiros. Let's say someone's a mumar for one of the other aveiros, right? So, it's not avoda zara, it's not chillul Shabbos b'farhesya. It's not mumar l'veillah l'teavon just one of the other aveiros. So, that's pashut goes without saying that you'd be allowed to eat his shchita. So, why is it even a sif in Shulchan Aruch? This is why. Mumar l'achas mishar aveiros ein tzorech l'veidok l'sakin because chashash nafka mina l'halacha. Again, also came out from the Gemara. Where is the mumar l'veillah l'teavon? That's when you have that halacha b'veidok l'sakin. That was Rava's chiddush as opposed to a regular mumar. Over there not then the Machaber brings the Rama maybe held not that way. Ain sham. And then finally, halacha zayin. Mumar That's that. The Tosefta made a very big deal about that. So, obviously this is something that was newsworthy and needed to be spoken out. But the bottom line is a little bit of a seacum in terms of the halachas innovated in Shulchan Aruch. Again, as it relates to rates, for that already I am related rate bites.