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בענין רובא וחזקה רובא עדיף

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The daff was made up of two parts, right? First part of the daff will be the shorter shorter part of the daff was okay. The second part of the daff, the longer part of daff was zila. What emerged from the end of the second part of the which is something that we already know is that not everybody even holds that you go buster rub the lemon is there's a here discusses whether a mayor that's or is only maybe we'll talk about that tomorrow. But for now, everyone knows that is that the prim on right here on our he makes the following observation. He says we know say so anytime there's a face off between the first part of today's daf and the second part of today's daf you have uh this mano between the idea of and the idea that we're the rule is always better than kazak if that's the case it should come out that raor who doesn't go arrive at the very least he shouldn't go and shu that there should be a mayor in that doesn't go and he says that's what come because doesn't go so if he doesn't go you shouldn't go either over the years we've mentioned from the Yeshua in his in the first and the when he asks he doesn't just say that that doesn't go he says it's where goes so you see does go and he's not to say that we shouldn't go that how could it be that doesn't go that he goes by IF SO HE doesn't hold up the better one which is right but he holds up the lesser one which is says over the years we found that this is already mentioned in the end that why is it that you don't find anywhere that there's a mayor holds you don't go bust but the bottom line is the bottom line is the is that if andor doesn't go arrive then come out there may or shouldn't go either and I was thinking just well we learned we mentioned that from it's and from it's a little bit mash that there's a who you don't go and we left it off with a first of all how could it be a mandama that doesn't hold and fr how could it be an am that doesn't hold that you go bazok how many how many sugas are predicated on the concept of if there's a mayor who holds that you don't from the if there would be such a well then would have a and if that's the case he could always say I hold like by the way this is a heluto so it's not a do under that also but the bottom line is if you going to tell me that from the fact that there's a in the WORLD THAT'S IT'S THAT ALSO DOESN'T GO. SO WE FOUND a we have a that doesn't hold that you go maybe that's a to understand the fact that there would be that would hold you don't go but either way are not happy with this and if that's the case it's how's it possible that mayor doesn't go yet he does go buster so maybe you could Okay. The second place on the ask the said and the br and then the said once we establish that you goba certainly you should gobuba. Once I have a for why do I need a for why don't we say that once I know soak where it's rife should work meaning is meaning I know for sure is better than okay so perfect once you know works you should know works as well I think says that's the we mentioned in the that's question is that didn't have a for what was his where the speaks out it's and we know so even though it's true if I know I know but there's a lot of limitations to one of them is you can't learn uh from something that's for that reason it's not going to it's not going to be okay but according to according to the is and I know it from a the concept of and the reason is I know it from which by the way let's revisit what is the that's only one Rashi came out that what is it really? It's not even the one or any of the either it's or it's learned from we have a over here tucked away on the top of it could be it's learned from because once I know which means is not only the is also the another that I think is good to mention and that is we mentioned in the introduction to the that a little bit why is it that we're even talking about this is a says first because the whole question of it was only it was only from so once we mention who was very much a part of the tal oh I didn't know the such You tell me who doesn't hold that there's any in the whole world that hasn't even oh he must have a new could be the mention of that's first second terrorist he brings from who said that the idea that is actually not learned out it's actually not learned out. What then is the mar to it's learned that from the because the although there's a that the animal's not a tra as we saw in the but says that is really going to and you see that you go bust that's the but the bottom line is without going too much into that what is saying in the second ter is is that is not a if it was a once I know I would know if I goof And at this point in the gamar the doesn't know that after you learn if it could be at that point the wouldn't ask [laughter] but the bottom line is in real time the gar doesn't know yet the doesn't know these are two in this is in and it's also inact it's says a it to but I think it requires a tiny bit of an introduction that is discusses the following case there was a woman that went together with her husband she comes back from without her husband and she says my husband died so she's allowed to get married even is allowed to get her Why I thought of the terret is that [snorts] is believed to say even a woman is believed to say and a woman is even believed to say about herself. If a woman would go with her husband and come back without her husband she'd be believed to say that she's allowed to get married. This is right. So in the event that there was a her husband had a another wife so the would be awes the reason is because the back in the day didn't get along very well. In fact, that's the primary reason made his forbidding and answering polygamy. But being that we're concerned that this woman doesn't like the Torah and maybe she wants to get back at us. So maybe she's going and lying because she wants the Torah to get married, have another family, and they're going to be as a result. She's believed for herself, but she's not believed for the in the event that was a but the husband was a meaning she's someone that based on how she was born is not allowed to eat. She's a basis, but because she's married to she's allowed to eat, she's allowed to continue to eat. meaning we don't trust this woman that we assume that if she wants the continuing truma that her husband's alive then himself is going to be okay. So the Mishna says that a woman that comes back from and says my husband died the way we treat it from perspective is very as it relates to herself is as it relates to the she's even says when the Mishna said that the isuma in the event that she was about Is it true? Is it true even the said, "I'm having a big problem with this Mishna." How do you go ahead and mish treat one woman as if she's and the other one if she's I can't fathom it. My I think what's going on over here is is that she has an ammon there's an idea that maybe she's trying to be. So it's for that reason we're going to be when the Mishna says that she's allowed to eat Truma, it's only that she'd be allowed to eat because we're treating her as if she's married. But if she wants to eat, there's no way IN THE WORLD. YOU CAN'T SAY THAT THIS WOMAN'S ALLOWED TO GET MARRIED AND THIS woman is 100% not allowed to get married. You have to make up your mind. You can't have a disaster. You could say and you could even carve out and say only being for one and not for the other. But as it relates to saying that she has an ammon for herself but she doesn't have an ammon for the but he says I'm not sure maybe at first glance I think I have a and is from the famous case of what's the case? There were two roads. One of the roads had tum there was so much to that road that if a person walked down that road it was inevitable not possible that it became to either way two people walked down the two roads and then they were both Isaac and Tyrus anymore is that in the event that the two people went to a sh but they didn't ask it at the same second they didn't ask it at the same time the is that each person is going to be considered to be tired why because each person was tired you have a suffix now whether something happened so YOU HAVE A IS EACH PERSON IS GOING TO BE OKAY. Don't you see from here? Even though it's impossible that they're both tar one of them is but as long as he didn't ask the kashi in the same second they didn't come to the rub ofas. So this person is going to walk out tar. That person's going to walk out t now over here and we're splitting the baby in half and we're saying that yeah you're going to be tired and you're going to be TY and if that's the case as it relates to this could be yeah this woman's allowed to get married and THIS WOMAN IS ALLOWED THAT SHE'S still married but then says but I'm not sure. You know why? Because it's that when it comes to in the event you would have two people that have the same where it's inevitable it's inevitable that one of these two people are it's that both of these people are over there you wouldn't say they're both Tommy so but what if Ruben and Chim both have And we know for sure one of them is you can't say they're both because you know for sure that one says I'm very confused over here. I'm not sure what to do. I'm thinking that when it comes to you, you can't just go ahead and be and therefore that when we say if she was maybe it's only true with but then again I have on the one from I see if they don't ask the question at the same time they're both going to be assumed to be but again from I see that even if they ask the question at different times being that one of them is you're not going to say so which one is it That was the resop that's why he wasn't sure what to do over here and Zion B says let me explain to you what's going on in this and let me tell you what the pes is that that's if wants to go ahead now and issue a they WANT TO SAY I'M TELLING YOU THIS IS the way it is they can't issue a mid where it's going to be a disaster for two people and that's why the re I here that this woman stands in front of a court and bezen is going to say you're a puny you can go ahead and get married you're married 100% you could even eat because how could be bestd issue that's going to affect two people in two contradictory ways I can't hear such a and it's for that reason said what do you see it's not True is not a because what happens by what happens by is is that you have a suffic I'm not sure did the person come to me did the person not come what do we say here's the punch line it's I have no idea WHAT HAPPENED SO IF I DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED YOU LEAVE it the way it is needs that you go bust to the status quo and being that I don't know what happened. I have no idea how it how this whole story played itself out. So just leave it the way it is. But when bezdon pass your because I have a safic if you ever became tar your because you ever became in those SITUATIONS IS NOT PASING JUST SAYING I DON'T KNOW SO LEAVE IT THE WAY IT IS. THE FACT THAT BEZDON would have a titer in terms of how it's going to play itself out that doesn't bother me because it's not that's not in fact if you wanted I'm going to tell you what is that when it comes to you can't have a disaster WHEN YOU HAVE THE SAME CASE like but if it's you're not going to say what's because that we treat the person as if he's Tommy. And by the way, so you see that's what's going on in this on the one hand I have on the other hand I have the two cases. But the way the learns it up in that what was saying was that is not is the case of because you don't find that ising a case of direct disaster and the reason is because all it is is just leave it the way it is as opposed to you're allowed to get married or which that's a that's a ding that we're invoking and that we're using over there. [snorts] You wouldn't be able to do it when it's and really listen is that is fundamentally different fundamentally different than a regular when Bezdon says and when they say let's leave this at it it's the together of what is doing is not that they're saying we'reing this the way it is even though it's but gather of the and the gather of the is not is not that we have a but rather there's a that when we don't know what to do what we do is we leave it at right you know in the real world if you don't know what to do you have to do something right the theoretical world but bez has to do something you know bezels getting paid the BIG BUCKS TO THEY GOT TO DO SOMETHING BUT THEY HAVE NO MAHAL THERE'S THAT WHEN WE DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO, JUST LEAVE IT AT THE status quo. But is not based on any it's not it's not a bearer of any sorts because how in the world is just think about it for a second. Things change all day every day, right? So just because something was some away yesterday that means that's the way it is now. It's not being it's just an hug. I don't know what to do. YOU HAVE A BETTER IDEA. YOU HAVE A BETTER IDEA. TELL ME. I'm I'm willing TO LISTEN. BUT THE END of the DAY IS IF WE DON'T HAVE a better so then what we go ahead and what we do is we are that's the either way that says that's true is better than you know why is better The reason is better than is because the holiest of IS THAT WHEN I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO do but to the extent I have a I know what to do and being that I know what to do that's what I am going to go ahead and that's what I am going to do the reason IS BECAUSE ONLY WORKS for there's no bearer when there's a bearer there you At the end of the day from what you see is that is avar there's no way to learn from that would be mav from you could learn if there's something called a kaza there would be something called a but at the end of the day when I have the that I have works better than the kazaka because is mavar and the kazak is not m and I can't learn being a mavar from kazaka because kazaka itself is not a mavara So that's why even though we know we still need you know why we need we need we need to know that has the ability to be we need to know that has ability and by the way the reason is from the fact that I know that has the ability to be once I know the is that is when I don't know what to do I know There's a beer called so now I do know what to do. But here's the bottom line. The bottom line is not the t that the beer of is better than the beer of if that's what it meant. If I know the I would know the beer of that was based on this that really is that I only work with I have no bear. And that's why when I have a roy and I have a beer, there's no mark for but at the end of the day and are fundamentally different. One is a mav and the other one is not a m. It's for that reason even though I would know I would have no way of knowing because how could I learn that something is from something that in itself is not either way I think it's pos and I'll pee this red it's from the and from the in the beginning of and it's really and that is that means doesn't go bus doesn't go either because that doesn't go the ter is the ter is two different things NO WHERE SAYS I DON'T go what is saying is I don't think has the ability to be to me there's a PHILOSOPHIC >> [laughter] >> BUT THE BOTTOM LINE IS AT THE END OF THE DAY I still see A SUFFIC BUT DOES THAT MEAN THAT in Ra's world there's no well if there's no kazak WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO when you're not sure what TO DO WHAT WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO ALSO HAS TO HAVE A fallback option what mayor's court when they didn't know what to do they said I don't know go kill yourselves call him governor I don't think that's what they did but and that you GO BOS IF I'm both and one is a better and you find doesn't hold OF THE BETTER. YOU CAN'T hold up the last two completely different tracks. It's no sh it's true doesn't hold the RIGHT still has to have a par of that's the of why even though he's but at the same time also holds a pit I think it's this which is based on we just mentioned but there's other as well that you see this idea that are completely different so again what's the what's the takeaway today's daf was really a tale of two [snorts] zilbased day even though come together how much they come together even says because how could you learn one without the other the two they're literally literally literally one and the same but at the end of the day as much as they're one and the same. They're fundamentally different because and says that when in doubt, this is the way you should GO ABOUT IT. BUT THERE'S zero beer taking place when you have a is they're both tools that were used by to go about and to tell what you're supposed to do, but at the end of the day, they're not one and the same. >> [laughter] >> that doesn't go bus yet DOES GO BAZ DESPITE THE FACT THAT IN THE WORLD of wins all day every day now the truth is does really win all day every day no there's one that is not better than that's but right but either way again this was just a a short the shortest version possible with a little bit of ra of olive as it relates to the rest of the raid. Again, every single line here is a by the way just appreciate a little bit better. We had 10 m, right? 10 m. If you look at and they have caches how come we have mentioned this, how can we mention that? So let me buy all the sugas that we spoke about just from going through the gar if you went through the gamar with tas you throw in another 25 and all the red and all the different permutations of of when you go and is the rash and the takuk this touches on and all the but for now we are going to stop Yeah.