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arrayed by cli as it pertains to the sug of esp. So the Mishna in the beginning of the paric after it introduced the basic idea of said how does play itself out and the Mishna went and gave 12 different scenarios juggling cases where the animals were kench where the happenim meaning in the azara or outside of the azara and what would be in each one of these cases. The first of the 12 cases was the most obvious and the simplest said in the event that both of these animals were and both took place. So both of these animals are going to be kasha meaning you'll be allowed to eat the meat of these animals. And as it relates to the second one, you're going to be this is the classic case of as it relates to very very straightforward. This is not it's not it's in somebody goes and heck two animals that are you want to eat the meat of the animal. You're allowed to eat the meat of the animal. However, the second person who did the he's going to get malus for what it is that he did. says being that in the course of the Mishna is going to mention in the other 11 cases times where if you an animal in a scenario of the meat of the animal is going to be possible. [snorts] So it's for that reason we mentioned in the first in other words was bothered. Why does the mission say why would you think they're not kosher? What would be a sa to say it's not? Of course the meat is kosher. It's true this second person was he was but why would you think that the meat should be suddenly there's no reason in the world that you would think it there is no at all to even suggest something like this. If that's the case, why did the Mishna say his name? The reason the Mishna say is because the Mishna is going to mention a lot of cases where the meat is going to be ple there's be a lot of cases where there's going to be so we're going to mention cases where the meat is going to be. So we mention over here we state the obvious that this meat is going to be which is really to the but says I respectfully disagree. [snorts] The reason the Mishna said I could have had that maybe the second one should be brings from that says and we learn from there that anything that was anyer that came about that's the case It's partning that for whatever reason that of doesn't apply and therefore the meat is going to be that he said there's no it's all mentioned I disagree there is a is the not going to be over now even according to this something that's being mentioned because the so the second one is you don't say but once I needed to say that the second one is so I'm going to say only the shi is that's not true the first one's also so it's for that reason the Mishna went ahead and the said so there's a that it says on the bann is it was written by one of the and he brings printed in over here that he heard from his a different to explain what the is why you would have thought that if somebody maybe it's going to be okay and it's based on a well-known in the first it's this is Like the this is a global which comes up in the world of raid literally anytime the says you're not let it do something if you go ahead and you do it anyways so said that are both mooching what's the if somebody it's it because the second person that went ahead and he was over. So I would have thought that the would say is not a that it's going to be. Now there's a longer version of this which ties into that we spoke about in the beginning of the Why don't you sayful in this? It's a very good in light of that we spoke about in this already. But the bottom line is has a second mahal to explain why it is that you would think that maybe if someone's based on the in other words the whole thing was mentioned and are both no it's not so in the of the second animal that you would have thought maybe the boss is going to be puzzled. said based on it's a lab in the said based on the of stating that take a look at the Rambam and the Ram is right in the beginning of days of that's where the Ram discusses the laws of if somebody is going to It's only the second person that gets malus the in brings and the in on the says that from the way the Rambam presented the it sounds a little bit like the Rambam held that there's in the fact that if someone checks the or the is going to be now says the I know Rashi already discussed this but from the I think I see a little bit more because the Rambam says [snorts] the Rambam doesn't say the Ber of the shiest the says sounds like all of the boss the sheni and it sounds a little bit says the bach that the raam holds that there's some over here that I need to tell you that not only is the boss of the shi going to be but the boss of the is also going to be and says to me this is a good in other words we spoke out that was in the noishes at all in the fact that if somebody unless there was that why would you think Even though the mission s was only mentioned even that went ahead and said no there's a said that is but that should be that the bus of the and by the way even that's all in THE SHI WHERE YOU ARE BUT THE which was done there's no in the world that that should somehow be that I would need to TELL YOU IT'S THE B SAW IN THE RAM very subtle that the Ram SAYS HE DIDN'T SAY the he said the which sounds like all the bosses and the wonders out loud is the ra trying to tell me that there's a says it's that this is not a and the is probably just quoting the and the tour is quoting the just quoting everybody but the b the tour is quoting the ra was quoting so the bottom Point is it could be there isn't such a to be had and whatever and the mission is that's going to be in the mas a little bit sounds like in the of how the ra should have presented this he felt that there was a little bit of a de here and if that's the case it's definitely something worth exploring a little bit is there to say that I could have had a in the world of not only the buser of the second animal that I shed should be motor but maybe there's even aish that the boss of the first one is motor as well I saw in the mish that's from summer gar and this is in periclamid he has a whole perk on the lundus of understanding and as he speaks out there it's that once you come to to understanding a little better Columbus how espano works. It would be a little bit of a shot in the and really a completely new albeit simple a in this as it relates to the love of what is the using that word very very uh specifically of the is the of the iser that when you the mother now the says the child becomes Or when you check the child now the mother becomes the as if to say that when a person is the ising [laughter] the child after you shock the mother the ising the after you shed the child [laughter] of the don't shack the mother and the child. It just so happens that if you only shack the mother, then it's not in play yet to have the isser. Or if you did shack the mother, then it's not in play yet TO SAY DON'T SH THIS because uh I'm allowed to sh this. It's only once I check this that I'm not allowed to check that. But the point is that when somebody goes ahead and checks the he did was not just that HE IS THAT HE DID was that he what's the is or the is it plays itself out the same way it's only this it plays itself out that after you not let and by the way only the person that is going to get malus we're not debating that BUT THE QUESTION IS what is the What's the what's the gather of the iser? Pick your cliche. Pick your cinema. What is the IS the truth is from the it sounds a little bit like the iso. It doesn't say don't after you the proverbial is which sounds like is included part and parcel of the of the in as much as is included and is part and parcel of [laughter] but this is a very basic in the world of is the not after or is the So said I'll bring you that is not just after but that the is just mention a few in the needed a to teach me that the is true if the same person and if one person shed and another person. Why would you think that the only time there's an is now? But if you what's that once was now becomes so nobody should be allowed to if you go into the time of the of the and the again there's no what should be the whether one person did both or if two people but if you're going to tell me that the of the that one person is not let her go ahead and that you're not let go ahead and check then to say that the only time this is is going to be TRUE IS IF I ONE PERSON DID THE WHOLE because if so there would have been that you need one person to go ahead and but if two people are going to there's going to be no way in the world there's going to be no way in the world to go ahead and make us from the fact that we need a limu to tell me that the only that there's an even if one person and the other person that's a very that IS therefore you would have thought that one person has to do the complete but one person with and the other person with each person is doing a half plus a half in this world is not going to be to a whole second or a second. There's a big discussion in the if somebody goes and he is he going to be or not the brings from we spoke a lot about last week the days of that's where the ra says why because the if you're going to tell me that it's or that there's no problem when the happens so why even have to and he's coming to be you don't have to worry about when the mother that is so it's one [laughter] that as it relates it's true whether it happened or it happened if you're going to tell me that of iso and meaning is part and parcel of the just like Benoy is. So it makes sense if I did if I did. But if is really not in the is after IF I NEVER BECAME when did IT BECOMES IT only becomes after I now the truth is the truth is this is really to in a of right this would be a good example of that because I wouldn't be able to act one after the other. So if that's the case but there's a big on this it's not punishment that you always say so from the fact that you see that from the is that if you're going to go ahead and you're going to you're going to it would be included it's probably because the iso it's not that It's only the becomes and that the becomes. So for that reason it was there's another that bring and that's from today's daf the whole second half of the daf the fun part of today's daf discuss and the mishna and the which rashi says is really but we'll mention the second mention of sumas in the mishna in the event that somebody went ahead and checked it a grandmother and then a granddaughter and then afterwards went ahead and checked the mother you only like according to you're going to be like had a very in fact it's the holds so that although in the case of the Mishna there was only one but at the same time it's no different than one of where the is that you're going to They all ask they all ask the same and that [laughter] is I don't understand in the case where a person a two again this goes to the core of understanding a little bit of the lumbness of today's If somebody eats two zim or if somebody would eat two zim and it was done with one he did two a he did two a he ate this kazayas he ate that kaz there were two of a that he did being that there's two of a that he did this to say you should get malus twice the was one good BUT THE TWO WHAT ARE THE TWO I ate ate that in the case of IN'S CASE YOU SHED ONE HOW YOU twice there's one that you did you did one THERE'S TWO THAT'S like very comes with this massive Over there you ate two over here. All you did was youed one animal. That's true. If the of the is it's just the second animal that you shed. SO IF THAT IS what the of the is I sheded one animal one animal I hear it's a good how could I be two malus one animal either with two. Who cares? I still shed one animal. But I love this. If the way works is that when I was and when I also did an A THAT'S PART AND PARCEL of the goof a THEN IT'S PART CUZ WHEN I GO AHEAD and I the mother comes out I'M DOING TWO SETS OF a now with gloss the baba and the mother was an aa and now with gla that the mother and the an was an aa we're If the two is in the glory of a then now the grandmother and the granddaughter were also my if however nothing is being in the grandmother and the granddaughter then not included in the of the so all I did was oneita on the mother one on the mother is less than over THERE AT LEAST I OVER HERE I DIDN'T EVEN NEED to and the truth is just from the that calls it right had it throughout That is an element of says it's two of but now the iser it's not just two oh this this mother is of the grandmother and of the granddaughter when you this mother now there's a of grandmother mother and there's a of mother and granddaughter it's actually it's not just two that's what learns it's more than two it's But the bottom line is this of that is not only in the but it's also in the this is the of understanding the lumbus a lot better over here in today's another right here in the he asks he asks that why is it Mishna said that if somebody would go ahead Somebody would check the grandmother and then the granddaughter and then he would check the mother. So what's the is that according to you're only going to be but according to you're why don't we say on the second bomb when you did the grandmother first the daughter became there's an now you're going to go ahead you're going to the granddaughter so what do you want that the other should be because it's much right here in the with this in the back. So there's a whole list of uh so he brings a ter that he heard from the sonashikam asks this and the of the famous his son wrote a on his father and who was and he said he said if you're going to tell me that the way works is the is only on the that's what the is telling you don't do if you now don't go ahead and the is the so then it's a became when you so how's it becoming again when you went ahead and you but if the don't go ahead and the was not AFTER YOU WHEN YOU WOKE UP IN THE MORNING THERE WAS Don't this and don't that there was no one that was before the other if the is only not that is first AFTER BUT the is on and on when's that WHEN YOU HAVE AN SECOND when this was little at that POINT IT WAS DOESN'T PASS now to go ahead and to The bottom line is the bottom line is if you go through and this from he brings this is all from where they all and that is that is like it's not that it's no is and really the is on in as much as it is now in the world of how the the how the malus plays itself out. It's only the second one that gets malus. Like the ram says when it comes to the malus, it's only the that's going to get malus. But as it relates to the as it relates to the gufa is the is true for the is true for the shen as well. But the bottom line is the Mishna said that if somebody says it's the rest of the you're going to have a bunch of cases where there's going to be so that's why we mentioned over here says no you don't have to say that there's a is that the sheni is why would you have thought the sheni is possible it's because you would have thought you would have thought that maybe so that you're not going to have an is Now the first one that's only mentioned but we mentioned but we mentioned that the wasma the boss of the what's the might but what's the we mentioned earlier where said that you could say of why because even still it's going to be good. And if you're going to neblund that the is OF AFTER YOU the sheni is not only on the sheni it's on the also the sheni is the ONLY ONE THAT'S BUT as relates to the is the then there's mim to say that if you would hold once you even the shoulder because THE IS TRUE FOR ANYTHING THAT'S INCLUDED in the and the is true for the and it's true for the shi as well. Not only the shi is the is they're all why would you have thought the and the are both possible because I would have thought and that's what the rama was coming to say even though are included in the what the said so both of them were in violation now All the are only on the sh because he can't punish the guy when that did the re was can't get punished for the but that was part of this and if that's the case I would have thought maybe that for whatever reason we don't say that's the name based on and taking the one that seems to be the and the rash as relates to the in the O sayite.