When the First Day of Sukkos Is Shabbos……..

breath. >> Okay friends, I want to share with you a very interesting question. Interesting because at first I could not find anyone who asked the question. Now at first if you don't find anyone who asked the question, you know, you feel good. You maybe you thought of a question that hasn't been asked before. But on the other hand, there's probably a good reason nobody asked the question. you know uh there there have been a lot of big people who uh have thought of basically all the questions there are to ask so you want to make sure the road you're traveling on others have traveled before you don't want to be a loner on this road anyway the question is as follows this year Rashashana came out on shabas and this year Rashan come out on chabas we did not blow the cha the reason we didn't blow the chaur is because of gazerba rabba made the garra says which leads me to maybe understand better the garra says that raba was a very unpopular amayra he lived a very tragic life he had me went to many unfortunate uh family um levas he was very poor and he was also not very popular you can imagine if imagine he got in the shabas before he said I just want you to know you remember the gar that says I just want to let you know you ain't going to be blowing this year and not only that you're not going to be taking little van on the first day of sukus you can imagine how well that went over anyway gazer rabba here's my question I looked around for a really long time I could not find anyone who asked a question My question is tomorrow shabas we will not be taking l of vaness the first day but we will be sitting in the suka. Why will we sit in the suka? The same way we're concerned that you might carry the cha and you might carry the lulaf. Why are we not concerned that you might carry for the suka? So you say carry the suka? What are you going to do? You're going to find the suka and carry it to a you're going to you're going to move the suka. The the suka is a stationary item. So then I said I realized no this is not a good question. You're not going to carry the suka. I can carry the suka. But maybe in your zeal you need to bring your food to the suka. Actually come to think of it isn't it a lot more likely you're going to carry your bowl of soup to a suka that's not connected to your house? I mean, you're carrying food from your house. Isn't it much more? I mean, when was the last time you carried a cha or you carried a lul I mean you do need to get a tul, but in a meal there are a million things you need to carry. You need to carry the silverware. You need to carry the plates. You need to carry the napkins. You need to carry the fish. You need to carry the soup. And what if you don't have the luxury of having a suka right next to your house? Why are we not goer that you can't sit in the chabasma? No. Pretty good question is it? So why doesn't anybody ask this question? No reaim asked this question and it's not really discussed in the now I want to tell you a it's uh I'll have to get you the I had it up before but uh maybe Ron you want to take a look you can see if you can find it it's in the dropbox it's all it's called sukus that falls out on shabas I had it before but um I don't have I don't have it this second if If you look in par's the says like this the say like this what do you do why does it say why does it say h you notice that it says what do you do you sit in the what about not one Then it says, then it says, "What do you mean? We just said it's the 15th of the month." Why does it have to repeat it's the 15th of the month? And why the first time does it say hah and the second time it doesn't say haz. And now that it says h, it says take the dalim and sit in the suka. So [snorts] if you study the sukim carefully, you'll notice there are a lot of unusual things. First of all, it tells you the date of sukus twice in the same passage. It says the date is the 15th. The first time it says h. The second time it doesn't say hah. The first time it just says sit in the suka. The second time it says take the dalim and sit in the suka. In the of the he says something incredible. We know we have a tradition atbash the first day of Pesak if it falls out on Shabas tishab will be on shabas that year. The second day of pes falls out on Sunday. Shin shabuis falls out on Sunday. The third day of pes is Monday. Reashana falls out on Monday. Friends, the year we left Egypt. What day of the week did we leave Egypt? Thursday. How do we know? First of all, shabas was shabas was yud. So they left Egypt on the 15th on Thursday. Also that year the Torah was given on Shabas on the 51st day of the So they left Mitzim on Thursday which means that Shivuis was Shabas. Now in that case if the first day of Pesak was Thursday that means rash was shabas right because if the first day of pes is Thursday then tishab is Thursday which means the second day of pes is Friday shabuis is Friday which means the third day of pes is shabus which means oh that's why it says byash you know why cuz that year this year this year the year we left Egypt so it says byash guess where else it says h in the beginning of suk is Because that year, the first day of Shabas. So what mitzvah are you going to do? You're going to sit in the suka. Does the Torah say to take the dalim? No. No. No mentioned. It says this year. this year. Rashashana and Sukas Shabas. Why? Cuz Rashashana goes by the third day of Pes, right? Tough Pes is tish Pesimo Pesash. You got the You have the file here. It's downloading. Let's see. Oh. Aaron, check this out. Let's see if we could bring it up. See this? You see the maros, friends? You see the marm on the screen? Yeah. Okay. See This year the first day of sukus was shabas. Why? Because rash was shabas. So it says and you know what you're going to do. Not one word. No you don't do the dalim. By the way it comes out very good because angel says the of was in effect even in the midbar. Yeah. But now we know why the Torah repeats the the the dates for in general on the 15th of you're going to do two mitzvah. What are they and just the but in general both mitzvah it's it's out of control. I mean, what do you want Hashem to do? You want you want you want to see? This is better. Say, what do you want? You want an open miracle? This is much better. Look how precise the Torah is. It's amazing. Okay. Anyway, back to our question. Why do we not make a gazer by So if nobody asks the question, you can't I'm not going to get I'm not I don't have the guts to give a share on it. I found the parad asks the question is a safer ones. He wrote it on and mandra completed it on. He brings an amazing idea from the garian says that the p says since when do you need a p to include gimm in mitzv? You ever hear of such a thing that we have a puk? We need a puk to include gimm. Why do you need a puk to include gimm? So the said the following mystical idea. You ready for this? He says the difference between lul love and suka is lul love is what we call isarusa de las where we put in the spiritual start and hashem responds in kind and suka is god sends down the ananoid from above and we commemorate it. So suk isa delela and lul is isa deat grim come from the realm of isarusa deat they initiated the whole relationship therefore gaim for sure would take dalim because that's up their alley it's also de but that they should take is you need a special for that and oh and the said that he got a letter from Olive Zion Freriedman. You know who that is? Alexander Zusha Freriedman. You know who that is? The author of Mayra. I'm sure you know the safer may like 40 years ago. That was the vert safer. In general, whenever you hear a vert and you don't know where it's from, chances are it's from Ayana. He was a good friend of my great-grandfather. My great-grandfather was the last RV of Sakachav. They were both such. Anyway, the Zusha Friedman said that's why it says in Melis Esther they accepted Purim and the Gimm accepted it. Why do we need to know the gay accepted it? Because the whole um because Purim was initiated downstairs and then Hashem ratified it. So therefore the even the gay accepted upon themselves cuz they're also fine says the is the reason why we don't take on shabas but we sit in the suka why shabas is shabas hashem zaps down on us and we don't do anything. So that's consistent with which is but lul which is not consistent with shabas which is not consistent with shabas. Now the parad is clearly asking the question why do we not take of but we do sit in the suka. But we do sit in the suka. So once he's asking the question, I have a right to give answers to this question. I don't accept his answer on aic level. You can't use cababalistic reasons to explain why you do one mitzvah and you don't do another mitz. That's not the reason. You can't say Rabbi was Goer on Lul because Lul is and he wasn't Goer on because it's you know that that's not aic reason. So that might be a mystical reason after the fact. So we're in but once the parad asks the question and um he uses the to answer it. Now, we're authorized to treat this question as a fully legitimate question, which we're going to do. Okay? You could, this is a great question to ask at the table on sukus. You know, we're go we're not taking the because what about the suka? So, you say, what do you mean? The answer is obvious. You're not going to carry a suka. This question was raised in the journal Hamar. Hamar is an old time journal. It was raised in Shaametes. My grandfather used to subscribe to Hamar. Now I subscribe to it. It's a very old journal in in uh among limed and he brings it's true. You're not going to carry the suka but at the end of the day you might carry your food. Why? Why are we worried you're going to move your food to the suka? Don't say, "Well, your wife is putter from suka, so she'll remind you." Women are putter, so they could be a shy. Well, they're also put from Lula and yet we make a so that's not going to be a good answer that your wife will remind you. And don't say people who are not busy in you know why are you why do we do mila on chabas why aren't we worried you're going to carry one of the answers Iran gives is people who are not in the mil will remind you so you say what do you mean people are not in the in the midst of suka everyone's in the midst of suka so let's offer a few answers the first answer brought in the safer Hamar is a very interesting answer. He brings from the you know why we make a on uh lul because what are you going to do? You're going to take the lulaf you're going to take the lul love. How could you take the lulv? The Ran says bishlama when it comes to milah we're not going to make a not to do the ma cuz you have a mitzvah of on the eth day but excuse me how many days is one day okay but it might not Maybe the second day of sukus is shine. So maf will be the mitzvah by milah we can't push off the you mitzvah she won't push it off but lul love is not a v mitzvah because we don't know which is the first day of sukus. So since we don't know maf let's just forego the mitzvah entirely. Now but when it comes so that that's when it comes to the mitzvah of lul love lul love it's a suffic mitzvah but suka most of the days of sukus the mitzvah of suka is seven days. So most of the days that you sin the suka it's definitely sukus. So you say okay that's true for most of the days but it's not true for the first day. The first day may not be sukus. The second day is for sure sukus and you have to send the suka. The third day is for sure sukus. So says the safer hamar since most days of sukus are definitely sukus. So even the first day we're not going to abolish the mitzvah because most days of sukus is vukus. Now the truth is most days of sukus that come out on chabas we're not going to be mat the mitzvah cuz it's definitely sukus. Okay. So but question but if the first day comes out on chabas we should be mat because it might not be sukus no we'll follow the it's a very interesting answer we're going to follow the but in a year where the first day of sukus is shabas we should be mat because it might not be sukus the same way we're mavat lav so he's saying well most of the days of sukus we don't want to be mat so we won't be mat the first day it's a very interesting answer. I want to offer uh an answer that I once thought of. It's also brought in the say for hamar. I think it's a really good answer. There's something called the tazu the very well-known taz. It's so well known David Cohen of golivis now of lakewood wrote a safer called hatazaya the well-known taz. The taz says like this. What's the reason we do ma on Shabas? Why don't we Why aren't we go? You might carry the baby or you might carry the knife. He says like this. He says that because the Tyra says you do Milan Chabas and if the Tyra says you do Milan Chabas, you can't go against the Tyra. The rabbis can't go against the Tyra. How could the rabbis go? So you say the rabbis are not going but the rabbis are going against the Tory when they tell you not to take the L of anarch. No, they're not. The Tory never says to take the L of anarch on Shabas. It just says take the l of an on sukus on Sunday on Monday on Tuesday on Wednesday on Thursday and Friday. The rabbis just say just don't do it on chabas. But there's a specific by say that we explicitly you have to do mil even on chabas. So when you have an explicit p the rabbis can't contravene the p. I'll give you another example. The Ran says why you allow a blow scheer on Shabas. So we say you're now to blow on Shabas. Why? You might carry. So the ask how you ever allow a blow scheer. You're now to blow an instrument on Yamtiff because he might fix it. You ever wonder about that? If you can't blow an instrument on Shabas, so then why you allow to blow it on Yamtiff? Answer, you're right. Normally there's a gazer, but if we're gonna asser blowing because you might fix it, then you'll never blow shaifer ever. And the rabbis can't say you never blow shaifer. They could only say just don't do it on chabas because the rabbis don't have the power to abolish a mitzvah completely and go against an explicit verse. Therefore, when it comes to lulaf, all the Torah says is take it on the first day. I will I'll do it next year. Actually, next year I won't do it either because it's also shabas. I'll do it in two years. I'll do it in three years. I did it last year. It's just this year I'm not going to do it because it happens to fall down on Shabas. So, I'm not uprooting a puk. But on sukus, I'm going to be uprooting a puk. You know why? Cuz the Tory says sit in the suka for 7 days. And if the rabbis come and say don't sit in the suka on chabas, you'll only be sitting in the suka for 6 days. The rabbis can't do that. Isn't that a clear answer? That might be the answer why nobody asked the question cuz the Tory says explicitly sit in the suka for 7 days and if you're going to make then it will come out you'll only be sitting in the suka for 6 days. Here's another answer. Why are we worried? Why are we worried that you might carry? Dr. Yakov, why do you think we're worried you might carry? Cuz the guy's going to get so caught up in his zeal for the mitzvah. He's going to be so immersed in the performance of the mitzvah that he'll forget and he'll carry. So he'll see the sche and he'll be so so enamored and focused on the mitzvah of he'll carry the he'll see the lul love and he'll be so enamored with mitzvah of lul love he might carry the lul love. However you're not going to carry the suka. What are you going to carry? Your food. Your food is not an item of a mitzvah. Your food is just something with which you will be performing. In other words, the food is not the mitzvah. We're only worried that in your zeal for the mitzvah and in in engaging with the mitzvah you'll come to carry. So you're if you find a lul you'll carry the l you find a you carry the but if you if you find a cholant plate chol as much kadush as cholant has it's not a mitzvah it's just the means with which when you get it to the you'll be fulfilling therefore we're not worried that the next answer is answer if you You could you wow them with this answer. Ready for this? The famous and today was yard site. Could the rabbis of they could do it passively. They can't do it actively. The garra says that our potter from the question is from question if someone eats pizza this you know lately in mish we're learning if you eat pizza out of a suka Are you actively violating the Tyra or are you passively violating the Tyra? So on the one hand you could say Jews Jewish people are allowed to eat pizza like pizza is a Jewish food isn't isn't what they that's what they ate in the midbar. No they had they ate pizza right? If you eat pizza outside of Sukah, are you violating the Torah or you say, "But I'm actively eating." Yeah, but in terms of what I'm not what I'm doing wrong is I'm passively not going into the suka, so it's passive. Rabikar says to somebody who thought eating out of a suka is an active sin. He says, "You're mistaken." here. I want to read it to you inside. There's no to eat out of a it's not a sin to eat out of a you have the responsibility to fulfill a positive commandment that you're eating. If you don't go, you're eating outside is nullifying a mitz, but you're doing it passively. You're not doing it actively. Riker says not going into the suka is a passive sin. Would that be like not putting on? >> Yeah. Yeah. According to Yeah. But the P Yeshua says no not putting on you're just sitting there like a rock not putting on the fillin but when you eat out of a suka you're actively doing an of violating the not eating in the is not the amazing he says comes out like this. We had a question. Why didn't the rabbis say if sukas comes out in chabas don't eat in the suka? The rabbis only have the capacity to tell you sit passively and you don't have to fulfill a mitzvah. Don't blow the don't take the lulav. They don't have the the capacity to tell you to actively violate the tyra. They can't do that. They can only tell you to sit like an edim to sit like a stone and not and not fulfill a mitzvah, but they can't tell you to actively violate an a. So if you hold that eating out of a suka, like the pua is actively violating the Tory, the rabbis can't tell us tomorrow night to eat in the suka cuz that's that's beyond their pay grade. The rabbis don't have the capacity to say via the Tyra says go sit in the suka. Now you're gonna eat out of the suka. So this would be an answer according to rabikar acc I'm sorry according to the pushua I want to tell you one more answer an original answer throughout shas whenever we talk about gazeras rabba we always say him. You might pick up the and carry it for you might pick up the and carry it for ask and other places in why do we say you might carry it for why are we concerned you might take it from your house and bring it into the why which is carrying it for the why not why at carrying, excuse me, why not? Why the unusual case of finding it in the and bring it to another place? Why not taking it from and bring it into another domain? Since says nobody would ever do that in their right mind because since these are two different domains, the the distinct domains will remind you not to leave one and go into another. We are not concerned somebody might leave domain A and go into domain B. The only concern is you'll move it from one place in the to another place in the that's a famous principle of Tus. Okay. We're not concerned you're going to carry out. We're only concerned you will transfer question. So that that would have to mean then the gazer by a suk would be don't sit in the suka on chabas because you might carry from one place to another you might take your food from one place into the suka question are you allowed to make a sukim no you're not allowed to drama says suka gazul Look the Ramos says suka gazula is is kasher. So let's say yakov I go into your suka I throw you out and I take over probably you won't mind but the says don't do it. Don't do it. Also the Rama says don't make a suka in the in you know all those stories about the guy um he makes a suka you know in the street and the housing department comes and says you really have to take it down we're giving you seven days to take it down and the guy says okay I think I can handle that and you know you know all those stories it's a very nice story but I don't know if the guy's y or not because you can't make a stealing The Rama says, "I don't understand why some people make sukas inim. It's a suka gazula and it's not going to help if the people are because the whole world owns it and the own it and it's a question whether you're lat you can't for sure can't make a bra on it." Okay. By the way, there's a p ina. It says they went out and they made sukus a sukis on the roof and in the courtyard and in the muger asked, "Oh, you see you can make but you're not allowed to." By the way, the Malbum points out that the Puk a few sukum later says that from the time of Yeshua Benon until Ezra, they did not make sukis in by the way. Nowadays, you know, it's um it's one of the most expensive real estate in the world is suka porches in but the says in that from the time of Yeshua until they did not make sukas in the mat on this and the explains based on the you shouldn't make aim. Who does belong to? It's there are no inim. That's why you don't have to pay rent in your technically because no individual owns it. So from the time of Yeshua Benoon they couldn't make a suka in Jerusalem because the whole Jerusalem is but in times of Ezra they acquired it again and when they acquired again was mass this time that you can make a suka. But the bottom line is the Malab says in general in you can't make a suka. So I would say like this you know why Rabba never made we're not worried you're going to carry from toim or vice versa. The only zer is you're going to take from one place in to another. But guess what there is not inasim. There could be alul there could be aar. But one thing you won't have inim is a suka because you're not to make it there in the first place. So maybe the reason why there's no forim you're going to carry your food for to the there are no you're not to make it there in the first place. So why would you make? So tonight we offered six answers to the question of why we make by lul and not byuk. One was mystical that auka is isa. So therefore it's consistent with shabas but lul love isa. It's inconsistent with shabas. That was a mystical answer. Then we said that it's always a regarding the first day of sukus. So will be it's only a suffic mitzvah to begin with. So it will be mat the mitzvah but suka most of the days of suk is a vi mitzvah and even though the first day is a suffic mitzvah it goes by the ro. We said that's an interesting answer. We also uh answered that we can't be mat suka because the Torah says explicitly sit in the suka for seven days and the rabbis can uproot it. We said according to the Yeshua that eating outside of the suka is actively violating the Tory the rabbis cannot contravene an open puk. We said maybe you'll only get caught up in the performance of the mi with the mitzvah item, but since you're not going to carry the suka, you're going to carry the food, that's not a concern. And then we mentioned that in general, you can't have a suka inl so there's no room to make the gazer. Okay, thank you very much for joining us this evening. Stay tuned tomorrow morning for the of what to do if it rains and also whether you're allowed to be mavered or you have to wait for something and also what you should pray for while you tie your lulg very important. Okay, have a good night everyone. Thanks for joining. >> I I texted an answer. >> I see. I see. Well, you see, the first night you definitely do have to eat. The other days you do get somewhat of a mitzvah, but the real obligation is the eating. It's not the it's not the sitting, it's the eating. >> Yeah. Yeah. The mitsah for sure the first night and even after that it's a discussion >> of food. What if I'm out of food and I on the first night of it and I want to be can I go into the sit down and make a shave? >> No, >> it has to be over food. >> Bread specifically. Yeah. We learned that from matzah. Yeah. >> So it's the eating. It's the eating that >> but other parts of sukus you do get a mitzvah for living there. >> Right. When you sleep you were talking about the importance of sleeping in the suka. So that's important as well. You you said you get a mitzvah every time you sleep in the suka. >> Right. You know you can say you carry your pillows your your you know your uh safety your security blanket you know. >> Right. So [snorts] maybe you could say since you since you >> you're saying since it's possible >> without carrying anything just by sleeping in the suka and going in then the the idea of eating there bringing food is tied to that other answer that it's not really the main the main uh >> I hear I hear the I hear the distinction that maybe by suka something is accomplished even without an item. I hear it. Okay. Good night everyone. Thank you. >> Cult of