Zevachim 104

Today's daf is and we are at the Mishna 13 lines from the bottom of kiml today's being learned as and so the topic of the first part of today's dath we'll get to the topic of the second part of today's daf later but The former part of the DAFF is going to discuss the idea that when a carbon was brought, one of the benefits that the Khanim got from the carbon was the they got the skin. They got the hide of the animal. Now, in order for the khanim to be able to have ho from the of a carbon, the carbon required a proper z. So we know that the icer avoid of a carbon was the zria. We also know that the zika wore many hats. The was the maratza. The also was the matter. What was a matter? It was matter. It was also matter the so the khan were entitled to the but like the rest of the carbon it's off limits unless certain avoid were done in the case of the it's like the baser it's like the it required a proper if there was a proper now the khanim are allowed to have han from the if not they would not be allowed to have han from the in fact the of the carbon before was subject to the laws of ma like every carbon is subject to but the point is goes to the kayan it only goes to the kahanim in the event that there was a proper our mishna and really the first half of today's daf is going to discuss what would be if a carbon was brought and the buser of the carbon became tame or the buser of the carbon became ple right now the buser of the carbon can't be eaten the buser of carbon can't be put on the muzz. Does that impact the or does that not impact the R? And again, in the event that the carbon became puzzle in a way where you couldn't do a proper Z, of course it impacts the R because if you don't have a proper Z, the R is never becoming M. The question is where there was a proper ZA or there could be a proper ZA but the buser of the carbon right now is pulle. Does that in it of itself say that oh if the bosser of the carbon is plea the r is going to be ple or the r at the very least will be off limits to the or not that is what our mishna is going to address and really that is the topic of the very first part of today's so on that note all that became possible before the was done to the carbon meaning before the skinned the off the actual carbon in the is that now that the isle being that you didn't do the ha yet the itself is going to be ple the khan are not going to be z in the to be clear even if there was a proper that was done later it doesn't matter the fact that the buser the kum itself became ple before the that in of itself is a reason that the should belong to the If however the ka became possible after the hea was already done. So now the is on an island of on its own meaning it's a separate entity over there is that even though the became possible again as long as there's a proper that's going to take place that would be enough for the earth to be able to belong to the so we know was a perennial we also know that he served for many many years even decades in the B mikdash and he was an eyewitness to a lot of the sugas that are discussed in Kachum. So very often there's a big lumb and says listen I don't know all your misus I can tell you what I saw with my own two eyes I was there so this is an example said listen all my days that I spent in the mik I never saw I never saw the say oh this needs to be burned because this is possible the is going to clarify very much what meant the one clarification that He speaks out in the Mishna was talking about that was already hooshot. So he was sort of agreeing with what the Mishna is saying that once the was hoosh at that point even though sometimes carbon has become possible but I never saw of that had heft where now we say that this needs to be burnt because this is possible. I'm heard and he said I'll tell you an extra that I hear from the words and that is in the event that a did he specifically on a and he found out that the was a so very often you don't know if an animal is a tra until the very end of the story right think of a today in the shack the animal then you start checking for different tra often you don't know until after the fact said that from we can infer that if a would be And he would find out after the that this animal was a that theim are allowed to benefit from the art. Meaning if they found out that it was a tra after the heshet even though and here's the punch line when they found out it was a traer they realized that before the he already was possible because if it was a tra didn't become a after the it's something that was already there but said I never saw that was that was well then that would seem to be True. Even if it was after the he that this carbon already had absolved. Now why is talking about it's making a nice observation. He's saying I never saw that was that was it would seem even if the that was really that was that the was always possible. I hear it's very nice but it can be true for an like why are we talking specifically about the is going to address it either way said with regards to Adams if somebody says I saw something happen that's a right that's testimony that's admissible in court but if somebody says I didn't see it that's in it of itself not a maybe you didn't see it because punk it never happened when you were there or maybe you missed it the point is to say that I saw something is the describes as right he saw it. So if you see something you can testify about what you saw but is coming with that would be a you can't admit testimony into the court of this debate because what he said was not something that he saw was something that he didn't see. Ella the hold that in the event that would somehow become possible even after half or if the carbon would become possible even after there is an idea that at times it would be again a lot more about this Mishna in the gar. So what was the first of the The simple reading of the Mishna seems to be that in the event that you have where the now is poss if the soul happened then we just clarified one thing that in the event that the was such that this now is not going to be a it's always going to be we're talking about where it's that doesn't affect the dam it doesn't affect the so it affects let's say the buser we're all the buser of the carbon now became the question is does that impact the does that not impact the art it depends if the he was done already then not if it was done if the happened before the was done then it's going to affect The R the Gmorra now is going to begin by quoting an excerpt from the previous Mishna that we learned the Mishna on the top of and the Gur is going to ask what it thinks is a steer between the two. So let's just turn the page backwards for one second. The previous Mishna had said brings a car from a to this that says that anytime the is not going to be you have a carbon where there's no of this of the carbon that's going to be able to go on the What does it sound like the Mishna is saying? It sounds like the Mishna is saying that if you have a carbon that's ple the baser is ple and you can't put the baser on the misbeh that in of itself is a reason that the should be off limits and the shouldn't be now the mishna did not differentiate between whether the half happened at the time that the buster became problematic or the shade did not happen it sounds like in all cases it's going to be an issue which means that at first glance it would seem to contradict of our seems to be It's only the previous seems to be saying anytime is not and it doesn't seem to make between whether it was before the that this issue occurred or whether it was after the issue that this issue occurred that Bal is what we're going to see now in a venic is the gar first kasha cult was that was the and it sounds like even if the happened before this mean even if you did the heft already it doesn't matter the bottom line is if it was then who must the of the be it must be the now we're going to see this in greater detail on but for now The Gammorra just quotes his and that is that the which again does a lot of things included in which is it has the ability to be the but it's not to the extent that there's no that's becoming so the doesn't have the ability to be the as well. So the Mishna that says even if you did the [ __ ] already that right now you don't have that in it of itself makes it that the should be off limits sounds very consistent with that said that in order for the to be you also have to have you could only have from the in the event that there's So very good to the extent that you need to have the and you need to have the to the extent that you're not going to get the either look at the seems to say not that way our says that once you do the even if the bus becomes issue it doesn't matter that would seem to work according So who's Rebi? He's in that we're going to see later again. Now the just brings his who holds that could be so what's the right we just asked it as a regular but the is putting names to the faces the says the ratio of the seems to be going the seems to be going what's going on over here. said to answer this theory of the Gumar is going to bring two mahalim from two that are often quoted in shaya and respectively said let me tell you how you make peace between the two half of the ratio of the Mishna and the of the said I'm going to work backwards from the fact that the second Mishna is for sure because you see clearly that in the event that there was a het that was done then if the carbon became so if that part of the fish is then I think the ratio is also what was the problem with the ratio said it sounds like it sounds like that if right now the is a problem so the is not going to be in the even if you did a heft shade already at that point the is not going to be to the kayan says really it stems with the safe of the Mishna its with however so what does this means is a very important rash because it's very easy to read this the wrong way means that the der was not to do the half shade before the derk always was to do the half shade after the zo that was the way it was done. It was considered to be the more proper way of doing it. Rashi says being that the was always done after that's why the Mishna spoke in a very emphatic way but to the extent that the was already done to the extent that the was already done and now the would become a problem even though it's true but at the same time so why are you saying it in a misleading way which makes it sound like even if the was already done because the reality is in almost all cases the ha wasn't done and being that in almost all cases the ha wasn't done so it's for that reason we say it in a way that might sound a little bit misleading but it's okay to say it that way because at the end of the day if you want to be practical which the Mishna were so this is a very practical Mishna because usually the hesh is not going to be done before this and to the extent that's the case the True statement cult in fact explain that understanding it's very what the second mission is coming to say what the second Mishna is coming to say is really a clarification of the first Mishna mean the first Mishna rule culturally and that's true because in almost all cases the shit's not going to be done before this but it does sound a little bit like maybe in all cases taka even if the [ __ ] was done before this reco on that the second Mishna comes to say don't make that mistake even though in the previous mission it sounded a little bit like is not going to be no saying they're going to be but the bottom line is according to the two are going according to the real is the second Mishna the first Mishna is t a little bit misleading it was presented in the way it was presented because that's usually the way that it was done rama said just the opposite. He said being that the ratio the sounds like it's I think that means that the also is going according the ratio is that holds and that's why the first Mishna said because the ispel you can't do Now even it doesn't matter because you need to be m and as a result it's not going to be okay and if that's what that held then that's what our mission holds as well. Now what do you mean our but if the buser became a problem it sounds like you can go ahead and you could do this and if so how do you make sense of the second Mishna says you have to do a little bit of an edit in terms of the t of how you read the Mishna When the Mishna distinguishes between it doesn't mean literally did I do the did I not do the we don't care about that what we care about is or what we care about is was the done or was the not done how does the become or not it's very simple because the heit was usually done like we said earlier like Abaya said after this. So if it was that would mean that this was already done. If it wasn't that would mean that this was not done. And essentially then what this Mishna is saying the way Ra understands it in the world of is as follows that became what's the left before it was before this so it became before there was that the is not going to belong to and the reason is like the Mishna said culturally Because being that the buser became a problem and it became a problem before the so that means that the was never in the buser right if there was never a to be the so then by definition it wasn't if it wasn't is going to be off limits as well it's the next part of the if however the k became ple not after the physical but after it became royal it became if it became and you want to know why because now it stems with the first because the first was cult over here being that the became possible after this well at the moment this was done was already that was already at that point it the once at that It's going to be okay. The bottom line is at first glance it sounded like we have a steer between two is pretty clear. There is a between specifically the said that this should be told and it sounds like the had two. The first was abaya abaya worked backwards. He said that if the safi the races rebi meaning both Mishnay are really going according to rebi and according to rebi once you do the hee at that point I don't care if the is not being but the reality is the was almost never done before this anyways and it's for that reason you can go ahead and you can say coach but if the was done before then is going to be like our said that both are going the shim and if that's the case you're right itself makes no difference it's neither here nor there I our Mishna seems to be talking about he it doesn't mean it means and again based on the same principle that the he was usually done and what our saying is is to the extent that it became problematic well then like in the previous mission was never if however it became a problem was if it was going to be. So again this first discussion of the was in aim and we just quoted the of that was but the the broader and the source of the which is something the is going to quote right now says what is this and what's going to said in the event that the of an animal was already skinned off the boss. The dam has the ability to be Miratza on the R. That's number one. Number two, I don't care if the boss becomes possible. That would affect the dam's ability to be ma. But as it relates to the R, it's going to be the R anyways. Let's say the R is attached to the if the becomes possible. I don't care if this was done or it wasn't done. Meaning it doesn't matter when it became possible. The is always going to take on the status of the baser. So two things reb saying number one the even if the baser becomes number two when the is attached to the baser it always takes on the status of the baser so that if the baser becomes a problem even I don't care if the is attached to the always has the dinner of the now which part of this were we focusing on in the first part you see has ability to be even if there's no bos that's becoming but two things. He said regarding when the dam when the and the are separate. He said with regards to whether the and the are together said it's the first thing he said. No to be m if it's not attached to the and you're not being any then there's no of the being. What about when the dam is or when the is together with the so he says differently than If the boss became possible before then the is going to have the boss. If however the boss became possible after then the isser being that the became. So you can now be the and you can give the to the on what he said in the on what he said in the with regards to what Rebi said in the ratio that the D is holds the D is not on the and that was the we quoted up until this point with regards to he said that when the and the are whatever happens to the buser automatically affects And it doesn't matter on that as well says that once it was already then even if the became a problem it doesn't affect go ahead and give it to the and by the way even though until now was that is actually so is on both things that said the first thing is said holds it's not the second thing is Rebi said that if the and the together whatever happens to the always will affect that's actually not going to be the case. But again which part of this did we need? It's the first part this is whether the is or not said it is said it's not. So let's just take a deep breath for one second. So we have a rebi you have a carbon. The carbon is made up of different components. The buster of the carbon became possible. The R is not the coen's ready to do this which ultimately would have the ability to be mad. Now that's not the purpose of the but it is one of the fringe benefits of the that now are going to be in the question is the fact that you don't have does that impact the ability of the dam to be and allow the now to be okay or does it not according to I don't care that the buster is not good according to and is going like is it going like he's a very important in terms of even learning the per so the is going to suggest that at first glance it would seem a little bit like maybe this between has to do with another a way more famous in the sukis of kachum that's misus and that's the mus of whether we say or dam or just because there is so just to speak out that if you have a carbon that doesn't have a kazer whether it's or whether it's the one of them this is not a meaning it will not have the ability to be period you'll have to bring a new carpet if you were and you're bringing to gets you don't have you have to bring another in order to work that out. That's the holds that it's true, right? You need the dam to be maser. But in the reverse, the same ain't baser a dam. There's no such condition. You can have dam without having baser. At first glance, wouldn't you think this rebi is a little bit tall in that mus? Why? If you hold him ain't bosser ain't damn then obviously the dam can't be Moratza on the earth because the boser is a tai in a kasher and you need the kashria to be mirata on the art. You would think that at first glance this whole shila can only start maybe if you hold like rebel that whole still is say it's the coming but the says that if we're going to drill down now a little deeper and try to understand this we have no choice but we have to bring this and we have to see how exactly these two intersect and this is the of The last part of this uh part of the gumar says at first glance it would seem fair to suggest that maybe this is between ishu. So what's that? So it says in the now the in total reads as follows. So says do what does it mean? says the garbishu said from the juxiposition between baser and dam from the fact that the terror says what does it mean bring the carbon baser and dam you know what you see from here that are tied to each other by the hip I see from here that everybody knows but so a carbon has to be and if you don't have the carbon's going to be bos so if you don't have dam forget about the boser if you don't have a kazay boser forget about the dam is what says no I agree but you can have dam even if there's no you know I know that from the safe of the same so in as much as the ratio of the seem to put together the dam the safe of the is just talking about the dam said what about this heckish this juxiposition between and if I don't agree So what is the putting those two things together for that? Just like how did the get on the used to throw the db literally. So too had the bus get he would throw it. He didn't just place it nicely. He didn't hand it off. He actually threw it onto the you know what you see from here. You see there was a little bit of space on the top of the mb between the ramp and between the mbah itself and the bottom line is is that's why the put it together but what do you see from here the we just spoke at a minute ago that we already knew whether we say we don't say okay so what does it have to do with our speaks to that would seem fair to say that holds that even if the boss is posit that that is he holds there's So that you don't need boss in order to have. So the fact that there's no boss doesn't impact this once I have that holds in because he holds that once there's no the whole carbon is possible. The whole dam is possible. If the diamond then it's not going to be sounds like a good leave the rebel has it could be a coin rebel that holds that there's no tonight could be there's going to be no what do you mean there's going to be no everybody's going to hold the dam is on because it could be if there's no of a dam so then there's no reason to say that you could only be on the or if it's on the boss if the bosser affects the ro so I understand But if it doesn't cuz you hold like rebel the dam is going to be then there's no reason it shouldn't be so I'll leave the rebel that there's no of a main and the dam even has the ability to do everything that it needs to do in terms of the then certainly could be the was in the world of household that holds is not that. So being that the dam is not going to be so it's not going to be either whereas who holds that the dam could be he could say is even according to now this is a huge right think about this for a secondhu hold that means the dam is not being if it's not being how is it being right being you would think is like a fringe benefit if it's not being how in the world is it being mart the answer is going to tell you is falsehu awesome Even though holder in it could be that's as it relates to the lack of where there's no to the meaning when says and as a result the carbon is a possible carbon do the lose as a result of that no who loses the balakarbon loses he has to bring another carbon right now right he has to bring another carbon so being that all it does is affect the bin it doesn't affect It could be it's over there that says but to the extent they have sitting over here and by you saying now that the is not going to be going to lose maybe in that case would be so says could be even that holds you'd say for sure how could the bear no I don't know if it's a boss means it can't be for the but which is what not being on the iss that gets the maybe over there it's going to be different now you need a little bit of a precedent for this right you can't just say such maybe is only it's not I'll show you the president I'm going to show you the weakness in Rabbishua's position. I'm going to show you that as much as Rab Yeshua is famous for the main, he didn't mean it as much as people think he meant it. You know why? You see it from the and it's really based on the right gear says what would be if you have a carbon that has baser but it became or became the right says who cares this who holds that even though there's a so the fact that you have it and it's ple that doesn't affect it says this is also Rabu holds that if there's no there's no dam if it becomes ple also there's going to be no damu is in the event this is very nuance that you have the bas you physically have but it's and you went ahead and you did this then it's going to be so as much as a sheet of also holds that there is a time that when is that it's where you have the but it's problematic to be clear if you don't have the boser at all even holds it's when you have the baser something happened to it and you went ahead and you did this then it's going to it's going to be said rebi you know what I see from Rabbi Yeshua that as much as Rabbi Yeshua holds a main boss doesn't always hold the main boss it's not like game over this is the way it is I don't want to hear another word no there's there's there's to say that even though there's again what's the mart to that because when you have the baser but it's problematic which is essentially an you went ahead and you did this in that instance it's going to be okay well if that's the case as reb even further and mock to say that where I have sitting over here and by saying now not only is the bum going to lose out they're going to have to bring another carbon but the also going to lose out they're going to lose out on the or it could be it could be there's no and that's why he says I said my even though you would think I'll leave it's dead on arrival. this idea of rebi because if a boss what's the haban that the dam could go and the dam could be on the ter is it's not dead on arrival because you see never said it as much as we think he said it and just like there's a ka with the busers there but it's problematic as it relates to the as well now a lot of speak out that even rebi only is saying that with There's no boss the dam will be meaning where the isming with Yeshua and the garra is saying that to be able to rebu because you see hold that is a time of but that whole time is only a case it's where you have it was I'd say it's going to be okay so so But one second you love him and you only have a in a situation you can't go ahead and say where there's no so you're not going to get but let's go ahead and do it's only in a situation where you did this already even though technically really we should say but just like there is a mus of getting a so to there will be a mus of you're going to as well. Either way, the Gomorrah had suggested that at first glance this is whether or not this could be shouldn't that be telling the is between if you hold that there's a okay so the is regular let it be as well if you hold then the is not a good how should it be able to be and what the came out the maso was that in the world of reb Everybody would agree that if it's the between was in the world of anyways in most sugi there Because could be by by saying is going to be then could be in such a situation never said this and the way could be that's only true if he went ahead and he did it but to say you can go ahead and do this for the oh okay we're not ready to exile yet. So going back to the Mishna. So the Mishna had said if the became possible after shade then even though the isle now it doesn't matter is going to belong to the said I never saw that was commented on that he that if someone's and he finds out that it was a tra even though the tra is that the animal always had so it's a that was after but it's a glo I'm afraid that it was always there well the is that it's going to belong to the where did say Then is saying that I never saw that was that was what do you mean what would happen if the was and then you found that was already there I never saw that either oh must be must be that in all situations that's way it's going to be said number one and number two in that last case where you found later and it's a that was always there in that situation It's going to be now is going to do a few things. Number one, it's going to clarify exactly where said what was this or some of which we already spoke out. The is also going to explain what was inferring from and then we're going to try to figure out who do we ask like do we ask like or do we pass like that said? That's all going to happen in these next 10 lines of If you take his words at face value, which we didn't, we already explained it a little bit. But if you would take his words at face value, I never saw go into the what about the sobas that were brought where the den was that you had to take the and you had to burn them and you had to burn them on the base, right? as opposed to eating it and as opposed to doing a regular they used to go to the and they were burnt and they were burnt together with their say that what about the I'm not talking about there there's a mitzvah to go ahead and burn I'm talking about that was that type of r which was burnt by the way we're going to see in ended off on a different that is what I was referring to. But the says I never saw or burnt in the B. Oh, that's possible. Okay. What do you mean? What if it became possible before the What became possible before this for sure? You're going to go ahead and you're going to burn it. He's talking about where it was already stripped. where there was already a heft done in a situation like that. That's where it's neg which is what we had spoken at the Rash had quoted this part of the he means where there was a he now I never saw the what would be if the was done and before the what would be if the was done and you went before the it became possible in that situation for sure the is going to be a problem right for sure you need a in order to be mounted. That was the first thing we spoke at in today's d you need a to be mounted the ar if you don't have a culture then it's going to be an issue. So what would be if the became a problem that's became taught after the before the and and according to the hold right this cash is only a cash according to that holds that the dam is not on the and being that the d is not on the in the event that the carbon became ple in the event that the carbon became ple after the hesh then it would be a problem. So says like what does hold that in the event that it became a problem after it could be that really was that the never happened before this again it could have happened before this reco but it never happened before this reco and being that it never happened before this reco so you can't said that there was yeah but it's not going to happen and being that it's not going to happen in the he's saying he never saw a situation like that take place what about a situation where there was a hit that was done and then there was a soul that was found but the soul was a soul that was megala that the animal always had this in a situation like that then for sure you would think that has to be held that even if the was after the was such that it was that the was always there still that is it's going to be and I'll prove it to you because the say that said it from the words of we It's exactly what said made this inference must be even in a situation where the was it doesn't matter still they weren't going to be but the says what was Right. Obviously, it's right. So the says how come I'll tell you because if you look carefully words and we made this when we read the said why was he talking about aar dart licked the schistle to understand what exactly the is the of is that as it relates to a bar a bal the is going to be that if it was trade am I going to be able to have now what is the background to this so was a regular carbon the had to bring it as a carbon was allowed now you needed a mask that the was a but once a professional paskin that it was a mum at that point the was allowed to have enough from it stating that until the the still had a certain level of so for example you can't just have enough from it the however was similar to a regular carbon regular carbon is also you have to do this obviously not doing right but at the very least a prop you would have to do and the proper would go ahead and would be m what would be if a had a he did Would we say that the was still a good or would we say being that now that it was it was never good? What was saying is that just like it's that in the event that you went ahead and you did the and then you found out that it was a is going to be okay. So too as it relates to where it's not totally in here it's totally in that if you did of we don't look at it as if as if it just died so the is going to be the so you're right the fact that n's after the and for that you didn't need the has to be a leap of faith it is a leap of faith. The leap of faith is that just like it's true for it's going to be true for says is like this inference of and then he added he said one only said it when the if it wasn't found to be and then the mysteriously concludes and says which at first glance sounds like we just contradicted ourselves. We said who said then we say that what did the say in the said I disagree that in the event that you did a he and then you found and is that this was always a problem well then it's not going to be a animal which is not like what took out didn't just pin like it he went and he took it a step further and now we're We don't even pass in like the premise that is building is so how could it be and this is something that the talk about some have a different gear in the either way moving along next much much lighter part of today's that is the Mishna now is going to discuss the of the all we need for an introduction is that there were certain pim and certain that were not brought like regular carbonas but rather The buster of the carbon was burnt on the basra. Now where exactly the basa was topic of the rest of the d but there was an idea that it was burnt on the the basa. So ordinarily the baser is eaten the murim are burnt as opposed to where all the basar is burnt but it's all taking place on the right all the are being done on the that's where the were done theim and there all the basel none of it was eaten all the basel was burnt but not on the big but rather there was a special place and that's where the the of those carbonos the are synonymous with the right it's the same the are the so if the is that's if the is that's the but again are synonymous with that we already know what's unique about them is that the buser is going to be burnt as opposed to eaten And another thing we have to know is is that the in the of the became the says they became that became to these ideas are the background to the rest of today's daf and to tomorrow's d as well in the event that they're being burned. What does it mean that being burnt means there's a den to go ahead and burn which is what the is so to the extent that you're just executing what you're supposed to you're following orders right so where was the it was done on the where was the so we'll see more about that in the not just that were involved in it they became let's say we're burning now or we're burning any par any s any carbon for that matter but we're doing it not so what does that mean it means the k went rogue he's doing something that he's not supposed to do no what it means is that the carbon became or ple and because now the carbon is in a situation where you're not let to put it on the so the is you have to go ahead and burn it then when they would go ahead and burn the carbon they didn't burn it on the but rather we'll see what that is in other words, what the Mishna is saying is that this when it comes to burning a carbon, sometimes you're burning the carbon because that's what the Torah says you're supposed to do and sometimes you're burning the carbon because of somebody because the carbon became possible. Number one, when you're following orders, when the of this carbon is to burn, it's done on the and it's of those that are in it. When the only reason you're burning it is because it became a ple really you weren't supposed to burn it. You're burning it because it became now when it becomes ple you are supposed to burn it but that's because that's not really what you were supposed to do. Then you don't burn it on the base and you burn it on the base. Additionally over there it's not. So now we're going to talk a little bit about the where it is. We're going to talk about when exactly this went into effect. So in the event that there were that were carrying them on right they're carrying them on poles as soon as the people in the front exited even if the guys in the back didn't exit yet the ones in the front would be the ones in back note until the ones in the back also go out then they too would become au What happens once the people in the front and the ones in the back left? Sounds a little redundant. Then it is says just taking the outside doesn't make anybody to you know when you become when you actually burn it and it's ready where the majority of the bus are already is engulfed in this then the goes into effect which means by the way it's only the khan that are involved in that that are going to become so if one k just walked it out of the aar He's not even going to be unless he was involved in the actual what happens once the buser already decays at that point any final stage of the is not considered a anymore and as a result he's not going to be so just happened in this is going to do what it does soar is going to start from the following points. The only reason you're burning the carbon is because it's then what is this? There was a place on that was called it was this place. It was a place and that place is called that's where they used to burn it doesn't mean a specific place in fact the entire bias the entiret was called said the I prepared I prepared for his son to ultimately build but the entire mikt is the beer so according to when the misha says they would burn in the bir it's a specific place in the mak mikt according to No, it just means somewhere in the mikdash, but it's actually not a specific place. There were three base meaning there were three places where there were ashes. Dash literally means ashes. Three places that they would do from base. There was a base that was very very big in kachos over there. would burn the kadashim that became the additionally of that became possible for so were burnt not in the place that you burn at but rather in the base inar that's the first so what was that used for it was used for all these things were burnt in the there was another that wasn't in the in the event that there was a soul that happened to that was burnt weird in the that was not in that was in when you're burning the mean it didn't become the reason you're burning it is because the says that's the so that was in a third place in fact it was we'll see later but that was burnt outside of the gimmel so there were three bades there was a badash in a badashan on the outside of and that was what was each one used for he went ahead and he delineated it the base that was in first he says it was it was very big the base that was in that's what they used to burn and where the happened now what's unique about that so says when did they burn everything in the base in when the den was that this thing that right now is being burnt is supposed to be in the Azar. So always is supposed to be in the Azar, right? If you take it out of the butch has a to say that's why if it becomes ple it too is going to be burnt over there and the fire also you not let it take out. So all these things that have a that they have to be in the if they became at that time then they were burnt in the in oh once this happened already now there's no what's the now now the den was he was supposed to take now it became possible so you're not taking but at the very least his anymore so over there this wasn't done in the aor it was done in And that was on the and then finally it was this is the way in the name now brings another version out of that a little differently. There were three base. There was a big base that was in the So what's the difference? Number one, he includes in it. Okay, so far it's the same. He doesn't care if it happened before according to it. What matters is not whether the den of the bosser is to be in or not but physically where did the happen in these cases the always happened in Dazar. If the happened in the strafe is going to be in as well. Oh over there the happened be it happened outside. If it happened outside so now you're not bringing it back into the so now this is going to happen on the and finally in the event that happened then it's going to be what does that mean? It means it didn't become false, right? That's where you're burning the because that's over there. You do it on the third base that was. So, we're going to stop here. But the bottom line is is that what emerges is is that there were times that the buser of the carbon had to be burnt. They actually had to burn it. But there in terms of when or why they would burn the buser of a carbon, sometimes it's because the terrorist says that's what you're supposed to do. That's what it says on the prescription. You're supposed to burn this carbon. Sometimes it's because it's possible. Once it's possible, you can't put it on the MB. So what they would do is they would go ahead and they would burn it. The Mishna already was mealic between the two things. Number one, the location location location of where the took place was different. Additionally whether the people engaged in the became or not that was another when it came to the which the is to burn number one the was done in what the mish refers to as the base and we saw in the it was it wasn't even wasn't just in it had to be outside of even it had to be completely additionally the people engaged became when of the is being done simply because the carbon is possible. So over there it wasn't done where was it? It was done. The Mishna says this place is that the entire but regardless what we saw in the is that even within the world of carbonus that apostle there were two different Badashans where were those two Badashans one was in the Azor the other one was in the Harabas. When did we know which one to use? That seemed to be according to or according to what it was in was whether or not it happened or meaning when the thing became possible. When the became possible was the den that it had to be in the aar or was the den that it was allowed to leave the azar. If the den was that it had to be in the azar then the strafe was not in the azar. If the den was that it was allowed to leave the Azar the was done outside the azar according to ladies bryo what matters is not whether the den was to keep it in the azar or not but physically where did it take place if it physically happened in the aar then it was done in the aar if physically it happened outside of the aar then it was done on the base and that was on the haray the next part of the daf is actually going to be very is going to clear a whole bunch of different as it relates to the param and that we will get to ism tomorrow