Zevachim 114

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So the Mishna had said that were brought back is they're excluded from the parish of meaning and the is and we learn from there. gives a whole list of examples of animals that apostle being that apostle they're excluded from the parish of based on the says only something that was included in the parish of being that these are note it's for that reason they're excluded and the gum asks a very obvious question it's obvious being that we just finished learning And that is why do I need a new to tell me that these animals which are excluded from the parish of it's the most basic tenant of is that only something that's is included in the but something that could not have anyways been brought is excluded from the parish of what's the par you had a and you had a dent to bring it to the mdash. So to the extent you could bring it to the bas now it's a problem by not bringing it to the bas but something that's not is excluded and and it's a it says and we learn from there only something that was but if it wasn't it's excluded so this whole list are all examples of animals that you couldn't bring they were as a result why do I need a new of lift name Mishkan what's wrong with of says itself is not a I could always tell you it's talking about a case of where it became a venerva after it was already hectish meaning first it became hectish and afterwards it was a venerva so what says rashi being that it first was hectish before it was a venerva at that point that it was hectish it was already. See, even if later it becomes ava, it could be that's not enough to tell me that it's excluded for it not being that it was once. In other words, the is saying in the you would think that right now it has to be but says maybe that's an option. Maybe is enough that it was once. If that's the case, it could be I could have ava which would not be excluded for it not being where it became after it was hect when it was hectish. Now that it became it doesn't make it now because as it relates to this it's enough that it was run through. So for that reason I need a new. So the Gumar says my cash is not because for there is a se where I would potentially not be able to exclude it from the fact that it's not I would need a new but as it relates to can't happen after it's already because once something is not yours anymore. So if it's not yours, it's now I can't make it. That's 101. Just like I can't sell something that's not mine. I can't be something that's not mine. So if you have a carbon that's a meaning it's because it's it must have become before it was because once it's I don't have the ability with my with my to it to make so that means that it must have first been once it's not so why do I need I'll tell you why it could We know throughout who holds that being that it's possible for a person to make his own and it wouldn't be a problem is by but so it is mine if it's mine I have enough to go ahead and to make it. So you want to know why I need the I need it for a case where it was once it was only afterwards it became a cash is once it's how does it become it's not mine the say he said it in the context of where we know that is if someone's and then he swears it's one of the so he has bring a carbon. We have the para of of it says in the and we learn from there that you only have on something that belongs to not something that belongs to stating that says to the so you see that is considered it's included in the so would be considered there wouldn't be a problem of as an aside it's interesting because we're learning now and in Kachum when you think of the differences between there's there's many kadashim is kadashim is only kachum was allowed to take the kachum and give it to his wife even aar is sometimes allowed to eat kachum kum if if he's the kach kadash had to be eaten the azaro kach kum was able to be eaten anywhere in different man for most kachum columns This is there exception but usually is only whereas we usually have a second date. So that's all in the laws of but it's interesting that in the laws of there's a difference between so there aren't only that come as a result of the requires soften etc. But there's also from a mist perspective that according to it's only but it's mentioned throughout as much as it's not it's that's always mentioned is is that you can't shriek if I say even though it's mine and I have obligations towards it but at the end of the day it's not considered I'm not considered the bum anymore. Callum is M and violent I'm still considered a violent how does it relate to our like we just explained but the says if you want to just do a synopsis it comes out as follows again why is it that we need a new to tell me that etc etc etc all these things are excluded from the par of what's wrong with saying so the is making a little summary says being that how does something become ava It's that's something that could happen even after it was already I need happened after it was once it was hectish was already it doesn't bother me that now it's not anymore I need a new to tell me that it's excluded which is which becomes by a person worshiping it they have problems so why do I need it's not possible for it to become after it became became if that's the case it was at first so it's anyways from soar just says what we just said again this is a summary this part is being which were also things that were mentioned there too same why do I need why can't I be from what are you going to tell me it's talking about where it got after it was already it's not possible let's work backwards is the way it was born. Klay means it was born through some mix mating means it was born ceician. So you can't become a after it was hectish, right? Obviously it was born this way. So obviously it had the so from it was not able to be brought in and is the same thing because once you something you can't make it into an why not it's not yours. What does mean? You're giving it to a what's you're swapping it for a kelliff. These are things you could only do if you own them. But once you it's not yours. So there you're going to have a problem. says the gar I'll tell you the is it's a little convoluted but it's talking about the it's talking about where the the were the child of a mother that was going to hold that although it's only becomes when it's born which means that when it's an uber in its mother's womb at that point it's it's still considered so what we're talking about where the mother of this animal meaning the animal itself was hect but it had an uber the uber itself was now the in the case of the for example somebody took that and used it as an that's something the person could do because even though the mother is hish but if you go like the that holds that first becomes hish after it's born that means when it's still cooler being that it's cool and it's yours. If it's yours, you can use it at an but at the same time this animal was considered. Why? Because being that when it was in its mother's womb, you could have brought it as a carbon even though it was at that time because we're going according to the number that holds but at the same time it was technically I can't exclude it from the fact that it's any that's why I have to come on to the same is true for the you're right that's happens at the moment it's born and we're going like the holds but at the same time it was considered when it was in Uber at when it was in its mother's womb. That's something that happened before the so technically speaking it was first afterwards it got until it's born. So you have again so on something that was once and says the not going to be a problem of it's excluded from the because of the fact that it's not either way. And the mission continued and the Mishna brought between and in three cases three examples of which are excluded from the parish of simply because the apostle lack but at the same time there's a shim shim says that even though you don't have the real parish of in the sense that it should be but at the same time there's still going to be a for somebody that goes and shs this animal what were the three examples the first one was so somebody's is what about a m what if the mum is a transient m. It's something that's temporary. So right now the animal has a but it's going to heal and eventually the m is going to go away. say you're excluded. Says says you're going to be another example was you have a bird that's that's very it's a it's not old enough yet to be brought as a it's possible you're not going to have the says that even though you have the real but you're still going to have the third case was we know that you're not let the mother and its child on the same day. So what would be if somebody has a carbon someone was mish animal and this animal's mother had been that day I'm not the animal that day because there's a problem of so I have to wait until tomorrow it's not the end of the world the question is what if I go today and I was today if it's not again it's the same says in that case so has three cases where he says that even though You don't have the of but at the same time a lot you're going to have a new which will be the topic of the d now but there's going to be a what are the three cases and what are the three things have in common three things they're all that are going to pass so it's going to pass not old enough okay it's going to get cut and here and then today it's an issue but tomorrow is another day tomorrow. So anytime there's an issue there's that's related to even though right now it's possible so being that it's not whatever is right now it can't be but that it's something that's going to pass. So it's for that reason there's still going to be says I hear what's the however in the following it says and then the continues and says so the context is talking to the you're going to go into and you're going to build the Mishkan init and when you build the Mishkan init you're going to be able to bring carbonis but at the same time you cannot bring rather says the so you need all three again there's three but we need all because we only had the by I would have thought something that's being that it's for that reason it's so removed from say you don't even got to laugh the more removed it is from being able to bring it as a carbon so the less you're going to be the more it's not really love. So over there there's not going to be a say. You know why? Because it's it's something that's so it's it's just it's some not only is but let's say that too young it's not at the very least you'll have a license. had you only had the case of I would have thought but the moment which was once I would think that maybe over that being that it was pushed away from that's worse right that you have something that was worse than something that was so that was once now that now it was pushed away maybe says it's so not you're not even going to have the say that's why you need Those two cas I would have thought those are that are in the in one case the the bird is too young in the other case it has a physical but over there the m is not part of the animal I would think that over there maybe says the it's for that reason I need to have this in all three cases either way has this new so the question is where in the world did get this from? It's not in it's not in parak. So the question is where did get this? So the truth is before we see this next just a little bit of a so one of the topics of this week is going to be the laws of balm. So really the sugis of basis are over here in in per that's what the sugis of bumas are. So just to have a little bit of a of an appreciation and again hopefully we'll we'll learn a few data together this week. So we'll have a we'll have an opportunity to go through some of the sugis of of bness. But it's just kadai to understand the history a little bit and that is that the yidden had three tuf of basiktod in our history. We had the tufa of mishk then we had bias rish and then we had baseni. So the first basik stood for 410 years. The second basik stood for 420 years. The mishkan stood sak for 479 years. The Mishko was built in the second year after Yidden had left Mit. So it was there for the 39 years that the Yidden were in the Midbar. When the Yidden came in terish was erected in Gilgal. It remained there for 14 years. The Chevakov and the Chevulk till everything settled down. It went home. Everything worked itself out. But for those 14 years, the Mishkan was in Gilgal. After the Mishkan was in Gilgal, it went to Chile. And it was in Chile for 369 years. That's a very long time was yeah's crying on but but crying on this was Mishkanile talks about why Mishkanile was hopefully we'll be able to speak out a little bit about Mishkan Chile this week but Mishkanil was a very big deal it gets lost in history we we cry so much about we don't know that much about butil was a big 369 years a lot of time and for 369 years the Mishkun was in Sheila Right. The Mishkan then went to No. It was in for a short period of time. Then of course and David and and Shaw because the were perceived to have been giving uh some safe harbor for David who at the time was a refugee. He was running away from and that's what goes down as one of the people that have no and ends up killing and it was a it was a terrible time in history and that was the end of so after the Mishk went from to was in and for 57 years. So it was in the midbra for 39 years and then 14 years in Gilgal, 369 years in Chile and between no and Gwine another another 57 years. But if you add it up together, you do the back of the envelope arithmetic it comes out to 479. In the beginning of par's he brings from a himself refers to this as a he says he says that you want a rem these again was 410 years was 420 years the mishkun was 479 years the beginning of parish so parishes is the summation of the begins mishk is gamatri of 410. That's vice hamish is a gamatri of 415. It's 410 plus the hey which is 415. If you count the hey it's 420. Why would the say 420 by 415 plus the five just say 420 says to the days where the Gar says there were five things that were lacking in that we had during and that's why it's mentioned so to speak as a to is written in the you know why is 479 this is the summary this is The synopsis of in that first pulsing there's a mishk that's 410 that's connected mishk is 415 plus 5 it's 420 it's connected is 479 that's a fell either way so the mishna already discussed a little bit during these kuf was a person allowed to bring a carbon on a bummer or was a person not allowed to bring a carbon on a bomb Again, it's going to come up during the course of the week and this is not really the time for it. But we know that actually hooks that the Mishna said you for sure will allow to bring a carbon on on Obama. Then when the year they were in Gilgal during those 14 years there was also a heterbasis during Mishkan Sheila there was an isser and everything because again hopefully we got to this this week as we get as well but you know his whole patent to go bring a carbon. So the first question was today right do you have you don't have that's why the says if somebody goes today under it's fine because there's no said that whether or not you can even bring a carbon says right according to the you have So there's what to talk about going to the it's dead on arrival but it's not true because it you don't have and there's no what should be this what's the source of the iss bring the carbonus into the mikdash so there there's you have a problem but said that there's no what's the problem then there's no there's no so if there's no head to he could bring it he says either you're bringing it but what's my downside we're hedged either way you go you're safe but it's really already told they went back and forth so we'll see if we have time maybe at the end of the week because that's really where it comes up really more at the end of the Maybe we'll go into this a little bit but regardless. So that's just a little bit of a as it relates to but asha for this next kumar is that the 14 years the first 14 years that the mishk was in it was in gilgo and during that kufa it was a very transient kufa right a lot of the mitzvah the weren't even yet they weren't until they fully settled the land and they didn't fully settle the land until after those 14 years the shakibu and the so during those 14 years number one it was a balma you allowed you allowed to bring a carbon out Additionally, even the mishkun itself didn't have the same dina. So for example, the mishkun itself you were able to bring but you couldn't bring a carbon of so for example if somebody was once upon a time you'd bring a carbonas you couldn't bring a carbon kas in the mishk while the mishk was in Gilgal. So number one there was a heter bamus that's the first kadesh while the mishk was in in Gilg you would think if there's a mishkan there should be an iss during those 14 years there was a ba number one number two even the misbeak in the mishk which by the way is referred to as the se what does make what's a bomana was your was your grill you know you had a grill in your backyard you was a bumakana that's what it was your was in was called that's what it was called this is the misba but it was called that's what refers I mean that's what referred to it as so that obviously had more than stating that while it was in Gilgal the had limitations that even though you able to bring it was only so tells You're going to go into Gilgit. You can't do what you do now. Now you have you're able to bring all the in the world. But when you're going to go into Gilgal, you can only bring what does he mean? You could bring the carbon. That's another way of saying something that you want to bring that you'll be able to bring. But and like we just said what does it mean and and as well even in the even the itself you weren't able to bring the only you're allowed to bring not okay so what's the punch line the even though when they were in Gilgal they couldn't bring but when they were going to go into then already that was that was like the mikt that was like the then you're able to bring all the coonas in the world you want. So it comes out that this let's say somebody was Makatus when they were in Gilgo from a from a brisker perspective how how would you look so you look at right from how would you look at this carbon right now somebody says what is this is a no it's he doesn't see a sheep he sees a man right that's what he's looking at that you would see it as a as a man why is it a mus because right now I can't bring it but I know one day the are going to be in when the are going to be in now in hindsight took 14 years but in real time you didn't know that as soon as there was no predetermined date of 14 years it was it was totally in whenever they were going to conquer the land you could have it was what does the say you're not allowed to go ahead and you're not let it be no for someone that's now it's interesting this is if it was brought and if it was brought right you have to cop this was brought the says there was a lot if you brought it in anyway or but even if you brought in you brought in that was in still you would have the license but what we need is for this line is is that if you would have brought it you would have been so if you would have brought you would have been so that's mean that is because this carbon is why is it because it's only now that it's a problem but this is a transient because eventually the Mishk is going to be in when it's in you'll be able to ring those carbonas so it's only pos so to speak because of the fact that it's man and you see there's a lab that's knows that when somebody's there's a what's the brings man. If somebody's inside the he getus for this what's the right so the context over there says and the is discussing if somebody brings as a brush so the over there says that even though it says in the which is talking you would think you should get malus you don't get malus said because he has a that this doesn't mean which is borrowing the term the clearly said that for you don't get malus instead all it is is an meaning the of which is a cl for someone that's a mik is not referring to but is very nice you don't have that of that but what about this of you should get this and again the cash is based on the fact that it doesn't say anywhere in it was that if even if a person would have brought the in of itself even for that itself he would have been is using it for but says it's true for as well why is it that if somebody would have brought is he doesn't get malus and you don't get malus for that that's also not for us but what happened to this of is very simple maybe going to we're going to sh meaning maybe according to shim you would get who's the one that said that you get this is all according to shim if the is that over It would be true for and every is going to argue with our he said a different why do you want to tell me that the love of true because it's even if you would have done you still would have been so you see even if it's with him says no gap is like see even if somebody it's true the love would be True for somebody that brought it in the in the of Gilgal and from a Gilgal perspective you brought up but relative to Shilo the Pim of Gilgal was viewed as because the the kadusha when the Mishka was in Gilgal pald in comparison to what it was when it was in those 40 years was different we said even under weren't able to bring the see it was different it's as if it was so you don't have a anywhere that if it's really is you would get said from somewhere else that the is not that of but rather it's a different himself already said it in a say how do you know if somebody shacked a carbon so it's a carbon and you know you get a say it says He says I would think maybe even you should have the same would bring a carbon that's when it's all the when you have all that going when it's connecting that's when you have this say but otherwise says What's this refer to? Are we talking about it was again the ratio of the says if somebody carbon is you get say when did you sh did you do meaningf that's the time you're supposed to bring the carbon why do you only get this is 101 you're bringing a carbon at a time when you were supposed to bring is what what else is that is what is it's to bring the carbon It's a you brought the carbon it's why is it only it's must be talking about you brought it before so why are you before but what are you say who said this said it this is the same who A that says that teaches me that if you bring the carbon holds that every way it's not only the carbon he held that this of and it teaches me all whether it's whether it's whether it's where I have to wait until tomorrow anytime there's a being that it's just going to pass. So we look at it different than an ordinary and as a result what's as a result you going to get what's the very says no tell you maybe that's not in the description and it's not then what's in this so this is talking about what was the iss Why is it only that sounds good? How can you tell me the price said? So the Gmorra says we mean it was but what kind of carbonas were you allowed to bring on Obama? Not all carbonas about right. So you only able to bring the Dharm adults but a carbon you weren't allowed to bring on. So what happens if somebody brought a carbon on interesting right it's not applicable today but let's say somebody would have and he would decide he's bringing a carbon ask what happens that's what this price was addressed somebody bought a carbon not but it was in the sense that it was to bring the carbon why would it be awesome to bring carbon because it's a carbon you're only allow had to bring a carbon of you now went ahead and you brought a carbon but has nothing to do with as a result it has nothing to do with and now that says even though it's not so where's the from anywhere it's a that we need to to go through to extract It's either from the fact that when they were in Gilgal were not allowed to bring and if they brought they were every during the time they were in Gilgal was because as soon as they were going to go to which could have happened any day it could have happened any day. it already would have been right and still you see there was a for alternatively it's where the one side thinks it's referring to somebody that brings so the is that being that it's not a regular cars but at the same time you have a And as a result, you see again this that even though it's not royal love by now, but being that it's merely it's for that reason, but you're still going to have just a drop. So the Mishna went ahead and the Mishna mentioned there's two types of so with something wrong with the carbon and then there could be a something wrong with the carbon. The said is the mission gave examples simple examples. They will not the step after. Why? Because these are they can't bring the right now because they're still and they have to wait until they finish counting till they'll be able to bring it. It's not really lovely as a result. But the and the mean that they could be brought it's for that reason it's considered if it's ask a very technical question and that is who in this list is to bring a carbon we mentioned over here. Oh very good for the insert. So apparently the were the ones that included the word mitz because when sat down to read this gar they didn't have ms. So they obviously were the ones that inserted the ms you'll see the gar is going to mention in a second. So and have to bring who brings the which one of them brings the none of them even doesn't bring the who brings the include and brings says the edit they include it in the that's why our says like but is edit they didn't include in the Mishna that's why even Our Mishna says mits. Our mission doesn't say