Zevachim 17

Today's daff is and we are at the two dots in the middle of apostles. So yesterday we began the second per of and the perk began with people that are possible to do any one of the Mishna discusses but as we spoke out say but rather the Mishna means and the only one of the that's not included in the of the Mishna and that's based on what says But regardless, the Mishna said that's so the Mishna mentions a whole list, a whole gamut of people that apostle and the first apostle mentioned in the Mishna was we spoke about that yesterday. The second puzzle mentioned in the Mishna is we began to speak about that yesterday is going to continue resume its discussion of an that's possible to do the and then at the latter part of the d the gumar is going to discuss and that are also possible to do the avoid. So we're going to be discussing an obviously this is not a light b specifically in the context of doing the so of course is someone that loyal loses a k the day of the so this discussion in the exactly what the precise definition of is but the point is that says the mishna is not allowed to do the so the first half of the sugi of was discussing the macar and the gar brought fourar two and now the continues on that note. So one of the things that we saw with regards to the is that although an himself is not allowed to do the there's an exception to the rule is and that is the says that if a finds out while he's in the base one of his relatives died he's not allowed to leave the mikt he has nothing to worry about he can continue doing the and his won't constitute meaning he won't be avoid while he's doing the but clearly what you see in the is that although a that's an can't do the that's the but is different is allowed to do the as we're going to see not only was the allowed to do the avoid but when he was even allowed to bring a a carbon it's up to that says that it's possible is not allowed to do the that's only if an wants to do the carbon but an is allowed to do the when he's an is allowed to do the granted that the avoid that he is doing involves a carbon says how do I know that I know it from where the is that is not allowed to do the still is that so if a carbon is being brought then whatever the are but the point is we know there's a concept that a carbon sber could be brought even by a even by That is Tommy. That's the kadesh of so where a god cannot bring a carbon when he is to still a head could bring a carbon when he's an so which is more cool because you find that a whoing could bring a carbon it's a carbon then certainly a that's an should be able to bring a carbon. So Raba said that even though the brought fully that an is not allowed to do the says that's only a carbon an is allowed to do the avoid even ahead again is always allowed to do the when he's discussing a that ordinarily is not allowed to do the when he's only going to be true if he's bringing a carbon but if he's bringing a carbon or he could how does he know that he says I know from mad That's Tommy could bring a carbon core. Certainly a can bring a carbon core. Now why are you assuming that more than so that you can make this to bring a carbon? Certainly a that's can bring a carbon says I know that from the that's allowed to bring a carbon whereas a that's not to bring a carbon. So what you see from there is that is more than so if that's he has the can bring a carbon certainly that that is an should be able to bring a carbon as well. In other words, what is saying is and this is important in order to understand the until the bottom of the although the if you take the brought at first at face value it would appear that is always possible to do the head you can never do the could always do the said based on one of the based on I think if you move the pieces around you have no choice but to say that it's not always true. We have to compromise the so to speak and we have to say it's true that an is not allowed to do the but the only time an is not allowed to do the is if it's a carbon but if it's a carbon based on the I don't believe that's going to be true meaning although the the face value of the is that is never allowed to do the but based on the me of we're going to say it's not the case it's only by a carbon that is not allowed to do the but when it comes to a carbon is going to be different. So the Gmorra now asks three on and that is the time is that in his assumed three hanas. He assumed three and if you want to go and use the methodology of and that is that or needs to be tweaked based on the mid of then I think the three that assumed in the that he made aren't necessarily the case and if that's true his whole falls off which means that is being sort of inconsistent meaning is saying that even though the is that an is not allowed to do the but the meat of qualifies that and says it's only true for carbon it's not going to be true for carbon it's I hear but it has tor and says that the lim can't be understood if you want to use that methodology cut and paste that thought process that methodology three of the that made to make his aren't going to work and if that's the case the either you take literally and say that even though it doesn't or you say you say the is the and is is going both ways is making three in his that don't with the and the purpose of what is trying to say is to be a mut based on the of the okay so over the that roa made. Number one, the is that uh an aoid aen that is to is not allowed to do the avoid, right? A co that's to is not allowed to do the avoid. Now that's true for carbon. That's not true for a carbon. Is that true for a or is that not true for assumed in his very very clearly that when we say that a is not to do the it's not just that that's not let it's true for as well. Where did he say that? Meaning he said you can argue that maybe when the says that that's Tommy is not let maybe it only means maybe it doesn't mean assume that. Now the reason assumed that is because that's the traditional mikra. doesn't say anywhere between a and a but the in a minute is going to ask that based on the maybe we should argue it's only that's not let do the maybe is allowed to number two is that assumed for sure that is true even for a carbon head even for a head not only for a what was he He's saying clearly that is allowed to do when he's as long as maybe the only time we say by maybe it's not by so I know what RA is going to say what do you mean that's okay but if you want to make work with as we see the is going to ask that then in the world of that doesn't and maybe the only time we say If the that's doing the is a maybe it's not true if the that's doing the is and finally assumed that when we say that a is allowed to do the it means he's allowed to do the avoid of a carbon and a of a carbon what was there too you can argue maybe the only time we say that a is if it's a carbon maybe not if it's a carbon again what's probably going to tell you that's what the says that's the micro but the is going to ask now that based on the you can argue that maybe the only time is allowed to do the is if it's a carbon or not if it's a carbon so again just the the high level we have to get and that is that what the is saying is is that saying that although the fully that the brought yes it is that it's possible to do the isma is always possible to do the is never allowed to do the carbon carbon said the is not that way. It's just the carbon that an is not allowed to bring but allowed to bring a carbon isn't that always possible. It's true but the forces mesh and say that the is only referring to a carbon the is not referring to a carp. What's the kab whatever the kab is the in order for to establish this kab he had to make three there were three building blocks that used in his kab and all three building blocks were really predicated on taking a kiput and the emis is that if you wanted to reconcile those three building blocks those three with the wouldn't reconcile so if method methodology is correct that could be which is ultimately what is trying to do when he's saying his his then you have to do it across the board which essentially would knock out all three of those what were these that would have knocked out the makes you're assuming That's an I can argue not that way it doesn't which is allowed to bring if he's a carbon that's is not allowed to bring a carbon carbon then anos where a head can't bring a carbon in addition to a carbon then certainly a that's an shouldn't be able to bring a carbon so the bas should be that that's an should not be able to bring a a carbon meaning this doesn't another we said that The of is only true for a allowed to bring a carbon. But when it comes to a that's even the was not allowed to bring a carbon if he was to frank why I would argue that based on me this way and this is an easy one. where you find a that is allowed to bring even a carbon. So if a is allowed to bring a carbon when he's certainly should be able to bring a carbon when he was because one hand is more than because by you find the concepts of by you don't find such a concept. So, and then finally this that we're assuming that applies even to a that's one of the accepted that doesn't mean that was allowed to do the of course was was allowed to do it. That was one of three that he made in his but says carbon is not a bring if he's even a carbon. So meaning on some level you can argue that is more or more than because you find this that can be when he's you don't have this as it relates to so can't bring a carbon sour when he's then certainly a shouldn't be able to bring a carbon sour when he this whole applies even to so this is confusing but the point is what the Garra is saying is is that I can come up with is this way that way we can yank us all over the place at the end of the day what do you have to say what are you forced to say at the end of the day you have to go with so it applies even to There's a that could be it applies even to a carbon. There's a tummy can't bring a carbon. It applies even to a meaning we just assume I how do you reconcile with I don't know how you reconcile with it's going to be impossible to really come up with a solid but if that's the case just coming full circle this is the end of this. So what the says is is that if you want to assume that and not try to reconcile all these with the say the same thing with regards to the when we say that it's possible it means he's possible to bring a carbon it means he's possible to bring a carbon as well can you make a certainly should be I hear but again It's going to be impossible to reconcile everything and as a result before we go two horrors number one. So the the subject of the second peric again is a whole list of ples. We mentioned yesterday that when we say ple we don't just mean that is not allowed to do the avoid to tell me that is not allowed to do the we don't need the says many many times that who did the know we know that wasn't allowed to do the we know that was supposed to do the and that same is going to be true for a lot of that are mentioned in the is not that these people are not allowed allowed to do the avoid the is that these people if they do the avoid the avoid is going to be possible. So again the is not for example that a zor can't do the avoid the is not that an cannot do the avoid the is that if a does the avoid the avoid is possible the is that if an does the avoid the is the is going to be possible so much so asks that isn't there in the beginning of Anytime the terror says you're not allowed to do something and you went ahead and did it doesn't work or does it not work and the brings a whole list of ra is this way is that way it's one of the classic is in between according to the holds what do you need this whole for what do you need this whole For example, we know can't do the it says we know that has to do that says it obviously says it many times that were the ones that were supposed to do the okay so once I know that a has to do the if did the he's doing something he's not allowed to do so he's so what do I need aishna to tell me that in addition to the iss not allowed to do the possible isn't that either way there's a lot of raid a lot of this answer but just one thing in terms of that we have to clarify when we say that what's the definition of so we're saying doesn't just mean that they can not to do it means that the avoid is possible to does ple mean that you have to do the avoid again but if you want to do the avoid again you have the option to do the avoid again or does ple mean that you can't even do the avoid again once apostle does the avoid at that point all bets are off and there's nothing you could do anymore now obviously with some of this it's a mood point for example if a ple would be macab all the diamond so there's no more d to be macab So obviously there's no way to be mak you can't take the dam put it back into the and do another that's not kab is from that's already that already wouldn't work so obviously you need aim so where it's going to be possible but it's going to be possible one of the examples he gives is that apostle wasn't allowed to do malik wasn't allowed to salt the animal so what happens if aar went and he salted the animal you got to salt an animal before you burn it as a carbon so let's sayar did the malik so now you're going wash it off. He'll take the salt off. And now a going to go. He's going to put more salt. There's there's no shortage of salt. So let do the akash. So do we say that's okay. Iar did the malik and wasn't allowed to do the that just means that his as if it never happened. Okay. So you're missing the let come and let him be that that's missing. Or maybe when the mission says ple it means it's ple the carbon is ple. Now once someone that's not allowed to touch this carbon touches the carbon, it's off limits. So you can't just wash the meat and have a go ahead and do the because this carbon was just rendered telled. So it says the mik at first glance I know what you're going to tell me. You're going to have tell me it's what's the we learned together. It's shabas. The Gmorra says first discussed what happens if someone wasn't a did so and then took the and he was to them. So is one of the came even who's says doesn't disqualify but he's soar. So Zor took the dam and he brought it to the misb. So so far it's really we're off to a bad start. It's bad. What happened was a kayan came and he brought it back took it right back to the starting point and now took it. So the gar is it or isar says it was between it was one said one said what's so did wasn't allowed to do the that's our Mishna. Our Mishna says but we said it means as well and that's where was done by apostle can you undo it now and be making it by having we say no it's too late once someone that wasn't allowed to do the at this point it's too late you have no way of be it says the first glance the tell me that my it's Is it going to be cautious? Is it going to be possible? It says in if you go through that a little bit better, you'll realize one really has nothing to do with the other because the was that it's a very specific with regards to right the clar when there were two is done the was brought to the was brought back to the starting point then it was brought to again. What was the was it the or was it the and that's essentially the sh over there the sh is what's the meaning the says kasher over there holds because once you bring it to the that's the says that if a brings it it's it's going to be possible because he holds the is the so that is the one is So I don't care what happened before. In other words, the shil is is it the or is it the but it's not a general shila every single time a or any ple tampers with a carbon. Does that mean that the carbon is going to be possible? Does that not mean the carbon is going to be possible? With a shishna we're walking away with a shil with a little bit of a suffix. Something to keep in mind when we say that a puzle that does an with a carbon does that mean once he does the there's nothing you could do about it anymore. There's no way to be massac or does it just mean that was but if there was a way to be if there was a way to be mak I isn't that the that's already you have to get into the weeds of we're not going to get into that now but the point is as it relates to the so again the is not telling me the is telling me ple the question is what's the definition of ple does ple mean you're missing like to be or does ple mean that there's is a soul in this garb and as a matter of fact there's not going to be any way to be misak just one other interesting lighter and that is that this idea that is hustled to do the is actually something that's brought down in it's something that has ramifications so today we don't have so it's not negated to say that can't do can't But there's a related that is that comes from this right here. It's an says while he's sitting is not supposed to. So what should he do if he's in or if he's in his house during the supposed to walk out of says that this isn't just true during the but it's true for the entire year and says that's the that does not say what's the what's than an doesn't it says the as follows number one when we say that an is not certainly an is not allowed why is it a because an is not allowed to do the how do you know that that's a that's brings that the said he had where it came to him and he passed in this way in the B everybody was masking to it. So the bottom line is quoting a shock says that if the says that an is not allowed and is not allowed to do why is it ak what's the means certainly the is when it comes to there's another but why he shouldn't be able to was possible to was allowed to do the it was that wasn't allowed to do the avoid and said that is an so it's for that reasoning the it's going to be that like an is not allowed to what's the where does this come from? So the although doesn't quote it says that's not he doesn't agree he believes that was he simply does not believe from an perspective in the he has no he doesn't get mad he's not let do the he's off limit How does he know that? Because the says, okay, it's a from that. Now that passing is talking about it's discussing of the it says if the is from so maybe it's only true for maybe only someone that's not has this how do you know to be mar all 15 aid interesting so we've been talking about But again, those are avoided. There were other avoid that were done on the base of how do you know all 15. What are these 15o lists them out? meaning oft and one of the things mentioned as one of the other 15 is maybe from it's referred to as a you see it's an so and is not allowed to do the it's not going to be able to do argues says I agree with the but I disagree with the reason he says you're going to tell me that is so apply to there's no way you're going to be able to reconcile that that's not going to work. What do you have to say is I quote that although it's true on some level it's called and maybe with regards to certain but not with regards to all and being that it's not true with regards to all it's a bigish to say that would not be able to do the simply because we look at this as because we not be able to do this because we look at as being an avoid what then is the reason that an can't do the avoid he said it's the same reason that an oel can't do the avoid and the reason is it's very simple because in order for a person to do he has to be in a place of I mean that he has to be in a place of of and is is not it's for that reason that doesn't say because says it's not the reason it's true on some level is looked at as but it's not looked at with regards to everything what then is the reason the reason is something else. The reason is because he's not and being that he's not sure it's something that's going to be difficult for him to do. But either way just before we go there three number one so we have a discussion over here whether an maybe is not and the reason is based on the fact that is looked at as years ago we spoke out festerate we don't have time to go through this whole although we don't have time to go through it but with regards to someone that's not a if someone's not a he wants to go up and he decides that he wants to is he allowed to do or is he not allowed to do so at first glance you're going to tell me what's the hab meaning that he should be able to I mean we say it every morning. It's it's one of the mitzvah. If it's one of the shouldn't be able to do that stating that there's a very mysterious say I know that I'm not a stating that if my tell me my friends say go up and I go you know I don't turn down my friends requests. See, even though I know that I'm not a kay, but if my friends tell me to do it, I go ahead and do it. And it's a paladam. What's going on? I know I'm not a they call me up for I'll take a I know I'm not a but I'll take it. Okay. But you can't do your says a lot of talks about it from it's we once spoke out. The punchline of this is that the says that he found the he found the one of his quotes this he quotes this he's trying to make a point and the way he quotes is as follows I know I'm not worthy however says wow a different but rather We're talking about two different things. Understood once upon a time there was a there was a podium and they would call people to get up and you know say a few words. So, I know really I'm not worthy to get up, BUT says was probably the right and it must have been a somewhere along the line that got confused. He saw the word and he were probably so he wrote instead and that's how he got this whole confusion. But at the end of the day, as a would have gone up and he would have but the bottom line is this is another wrinkle into this whole discussion. WHY? BECAUSE THE sock is why you have the other 15 one of which is so you have a new reason why the shouldn't be able to do why shouldn't have been able to because it should be possible to DO IT'S THE SAME THE IS DISCUSSING THE SECOND APOSTLE in the Mishna. WE'RE DISCUSSING THE first but at the end of the day if an be able to because he's either that's the first the second the second is the says why can't has nothing to do with the fact that the reason is because he's not and being that he's not it's for that reason he can't meaning in order to you have to be we know that there's really a mit Even it's only and the issue. So it's not one of the you know asks it's if you want to see it inside says the is that we don't the reason is because the only time we're is in order to give a you have to be in a good place. You have to be your heart has to be in a good place. And most people don't feel that during the week. As a result in where people are it's for that reason said the not it's only where we feel when do we the only time we is is on and says not just by you know dominating is over you're about to make that's when you stop feeling that's when you part of this idea that you have to be in a place in order to that is So fundamental to the Ram says that's the answer that's the we don't we should every morning why don't we is you have to be and he says even people are worried they're not working how they going to make money so the bottom line is it's only literally right before kesh that people feel it a little bit and it's only then that you can go ahead and you you can because in order to you have to be in a place for brings that really it's a you know he's very bothered by this also this mic how is it possible that we don't and he says an interesting he says that it's that there were two that tried instituting says there were two in the previous that tried instituting and when the day came the day arrived that they wanted to institute and they said came they saw that there must be some that they don't want says that he knows he has a messiah that there were two in the pre his previous already a few where they these two wanted to instituteing every single morning it was something that didn't work out but the doesn't tell us who these two are but it's the says that it was none other than the and the so I'll tell you something interesting that invalid in the middle of a a very long he says as follows this is talking he heard from that one day decided that he wanted to institute. They stopped him. Apparently there was a big vna at the time and the police were coming and they were incarcerating people and the va himself ended up in Basur and it happened on that day that in his base mish he was going to fear this new where they were going to starting every morning he says I heard that he decided that he's going to do and take care of the unfinished business of his and he's going to go and was going to try to do the same thing on that night. The night before that chakras where they were going to insert in there was a half the city burnt and included in that half the city was the says they saw they understood they realiz and that come down are involved. Disash and it was and they're not meant to come down on a weekday. We know this is above our pay grade says but the bottom line is this fascinating this idea as it relates to and you see there were people that that tried doing it but terms of the why not already says that it's related because have to be which is the same reason that the gives why is not able to then finally the third so you have an interesting idea we know has to be done by that doesn't necessarily mean that it's right we We had to be done by even though it's it's soap. However, that's a brings that we know that begins says that the word is 25 says we know that says There's really a 25th and the 25th Mat that Hashem gave the Khan was the mitzvah. The fact that a has the ability to bench he has this superpower this to be the intermediary to bring down this like says down from that's a and it's and it's the 25th of the and that's in used to say over that the had a zeda that had 24 children. He had 12 sons and he had 12 daughters. He himself was a kay which meant that his 12 sons was khan. His 12 daughters all married and he said one time the entire family together. So with his 12 sons and 12 all of whom were and he said he was to be 25 members of one at the same time but just to bring it back full circle. So you have an is regardless on that note we resume and then the Mishna mentioned so what's a what's a is someone that became he went to the mikvah obviously mikvah is tyro 101 but even after a went to the mikvah the tom did not become until she until the sun sets. So until the sun sets this to that went to the mikvah they're still going to be so we're familiar with the idea of a to right that's a toy somebody's touch the sherets okay so he has to go to mik it's about carries they have to go to the mikvah right but you don't become until the sun sets and what happens is although after the it's a little bit meaning he's not going to be in the same intense state of tommo that he was previously but on some level he's still a tom so for example a coy that until the sun sets he's not let on you it's only after the sun sets how do you know that it's the first in it's the first in right so the says when do you read when could you read it's what's the rest of the story the rest of the story is we talk about a that was because he was so he went to the mik But despite the fact that he had he's still at when does he become he becomes when the sun sets. until the sun sets he has a dinner at and he's still considered to he's still not going to be able to eat you know the soal is very very famous it's famous for his piece on and learning with a but the very last paragraph in the he says as follows I decided that I'm writing the safer a magnumopus the I want to be my He wants to say over something from his father. So he says that even though it's not related to the but he's writing aer and he wants to be with something that he heard from his father in the first glance. What does one have to do with the other? What does have to do? What does it have to do with Okay, it's a but at the end of the day what's what's in the world would say he said as follows this idea that after a person he needs what's said as follows because although is a but being that this person woke up in the morning The tum remains with him through the course of the day. meaning he toal YOU'RE RIGHT HE DID SOMETHING he did a micer right now of and based on the mice of that he did he shouldn't be anymore but the bottom line is he was for and once for it's impossible to completely rid yourself from that and that's the of that's the but today you al be it in the morning before so now even after there's a there's a a there's of that's gonna that's going to stick with you. So the says that if his father said that's the same we say in the morning and then we say at night why do you only say in the morning and night why do you have to say again in the afternoon three times a day so why is it SHOULD HAVE BEEN JUST LIKE THREE TIMES A DAY WE d shouldn't you have to say three times a day so said his father said you know what the answer is true what do you see from the what do you see that the currently True already the says that once he was from the remains with him if that's true for the same is true for the as well once a person's in the morning that remains with him during the course of the day you start your day on the right foot so that you get from starting your day with learning with it stays with you and even though during the course of your day you go here you go there the bottom line is at the end of the day it it's something that remains with you. When do you have to lish again? At night after now we're ready. It's a new day. Now we're ready. Now that is not there. Now we're ready. It's time to So the reason that you are from the morning and then you skip all the way till the night you don't have to again during the day. The reason for that is is because the remains with you. How do I know that? I know that from I know that from we can't stall anymore. I'm kidding. And how do you know that? Meaning after he read maybe you think at this point he's not anymore. So maybe at this point he's allowed to do the avoid. So the Mishna says no a regular Tommy is not allowed to do the is also not allowed to do the more time what's the it says now that Pic the way the Gmorra understands it it's talking about that is has to stay away from he has to stay away from the and if he doesn't he's going to be so we have an telling me that is not let to do the but more than that if a does the he's going to be a that's the emphasis of now we know that an ordinary is not let to do the how do we know that we know that from yesterday's d that was the in that was referring referring to a says a regular I know to tell me how do I know that this extra is referring to a maybe already you see that with regards to a lot of things he's just can't eat but with a lot of things he's considered a so maybe he's allowed to do the I what is this of it's an extra the maybe it's referring to the PK right before it. So the PK right before it says that a is not if he's so he can't be can't stop ripping his hair out. He can't be a razor. Now the truth is all and it's not from the but with regards to the but the bottom line is that's the context over there. The says can't be a can't be and right afterwards it says so maybe that is coming to say that and then he does the or shaves with a razor and then he does the so maybe that's the of that to tell me that the possible how do you know that this extra is coming to teach me so says I'll tell you how do you know that does the meaning we know that cannot do the avoid. Not only can a not do the avoid that does the avoid is what's our discussion again our discussion is not whether he can or cannot our discussion is that if he does the be spoke out our discussion is if he does the is going to be possible but the fact that does the is a problem that we know not only do we know that we also know that and how do we know that we learn it from and is And it says but with regards to and even that it's so we use this somewhere else to teach me a with regards to what's just like that is so too that does the avoid is going to be says as well. But if we're using this clearly in that other to teach me a about not a about someone that's or someone that's so that this is talking about the is talking about how do I know that I know that from that okay then obviously when it says I have a full that does the is going to be possible not a that or zen does the is going to be possible. We have that is possible. What's that's a Tommy that went to the mikah the sun didn't set yet. It wasn't yet. So the is he's a little bit he could eat nicer for example. There's certain things he could do but at the same time he's not completely can eat. That's true until the sun sets. Now the Mishna mentioned another to and that is a kipur. What's a musur? There were certain people that were so that in order for them to be tar they even had to bring a carbon. So they have to go to the mikvah they would have to wait for the sun to set and then the next day the day after they went to the mikvah they had to bring a carbon until they did that they weren't tar. Who was who are those? So there were four Z aes and a those four people can were not until they even brought a carbon. Now what happens after they went to the mikvah the sun set but they didn't bring a carbon yet they were able to eat because that's and that's true even if you're a Tommy that has to bring a carbon what you couldn't do when you were what you couldn't do when you couldn't catch it. So really there are certain people that there were three levels of their tyra process. Number one, they had to go to the mikvah. Until then, they're a good oldfashioned t. They had to wait for the sun to set. Meaning after they went to the mikvah, if the sun didn't set yet, they were still a more kishma, a weaker, they were considered a and even after they went to the mikvah and the sun already set. In some cases, they were still to again a weaker to that to remained until they brought a carbon. What couldn't they do after she before they brought the carbon they couldn't eat kach we have a p that tells me that a to that does the regular does we have a we just mentioned now that does the is going to be possible and the gumar is going to bring later in the in the is going to be possible that's the mishna we have obviously as well all three of them if they do the is going to be possible and we have a each three so rabb was bothered oh the why do I need a disposal says I only known to okay I would have thought a regular that does the right his why is it the most I mean it's obvious it's the most but you want an example he could be can't be can't be m that could be if he does the is going to be possible as opposed to I couldn't just say maybe should have just said once I know certainly that's true but I wouldn't know from because I would think is more than could eat he just can't eat had I had aim and I would know that I would have that does certainly a regular but I wouldn't necessarily know I thought comes isn't a higher stage of of yeah but on some level you can argue that all he needs is the sun to set that's not a the sun's going to set what means he has to do something he has to bring a carbon he has to do a so on some level you could think that maybe is bottom line is rabbit said I need a because I would never be able to learn one from the other. I certainly can't learn anything from the real Tommy because are less than a just because a real doesn't mean I can't learn from I can't learn from that's why I need a but says we're getting the hang of this. So I understand you can't learn one from the other can't you make them. So can't you learn one from two? So the says okay which one do you not wanted to say? Which one is extra? Meaning you're saying let it say two and I'll know the third you want it not to say and let's from the fact that a regular that's the same is let it not say and let's learn from it between a regular What are you going to ask? You're going to ask essentially the same question that we asked a minute ago. A regular Tommy is what's his and he has to bring the carbon but here the says I hear what you're saying that is whereas he just needs a son to say but let's be honest the is less than the it's cliche to why is he less and he can eat whereas the can't eat so is the gamar is pulling off of that At the end of the day, why do you need let it say maybe by itself? Certainly when it's the even though he's but then certainly should be able to do the so why do you need him? So the said hold must have held along this must have held that it's it's true it's true that it's true is because but with regards to listen to the what can't do we look at him as a regular so can't eat kachch maybe We look at him as a regular at meaning. That's just an example. Those are the four. The point is is that we look at not as someone who has is in a weakened state of he's in a weakened state of with regards to what he's allowed to do. But with regards to what he's not allowed to do, he's a he's a fest. It's not. If it's not you can't say and even learn out from there. So the bottom line is for that reason it had to say it had to say and it had to say drop it says meaning when we say he didn't bring his carbon yet so he's still in a he's still in a state of he can't eat kum clapping the israchum. Do we look at him as a regular or is it even the so we have so we know wasn't allowed to do the avoid of the parad even though the parad wasn't done in the mikdash it was not it wasn't a real but at the same time was all even was bizarre although ordinarily bizar is if the was burnt by an or I agree with you that an is allowed to burn the I disagree with you that is not allowed to burn the parad wasn't allowed to burn it so maybe that's the looked at as a to was he not looked at as a to if we look at him as a if he has the regular tomo with regards to certain things so with regards to some things he's a regular And maybe that's enough to disqualify him from being able to burn the parad. Or maybe no, maybe we don't look at him that way. At the end of the day, he's he's weak. He's in a weakened state of someone that's in this weakened state of even though is not allowed to burn the maybe someone in this weakened state of is allowed to burn the that's maybe I'll tell you that meaning is in the real state of what's the whether could the or not. the says the soar had to be the one that was involved in the preparation of the it had to be done by so says I mean that's so obvious we know that had to do it what's the meaning from other in the par of in the beginning of paras so why did the here have to re-emphasize it's coming to teach me that he doesn't have to be a full-fledged even someone that's a little That's enough. It's a boy that you don't have to be 100%. It's teaching me that is considered a sometimes a sometimes he's not. He can't eat. He could eat as it relates to this is even if you're only a little bit. Okay. What about one man said that when we say we mean every any single it doesn't matter if you carry or meaning it doesn't matter if you're also or you're not also the says that is because we know is every even now are also so you see clearly that is allowed to be involved in the preparation of the just the of the para of paras of the persons who has the of the subject of the paradum who got the paradum someone that was Tomas anything that's like mitzely here certainly that's more than but of a that's more than such as why are they more because that was but the bottom line is is that the ones the also their it's not that when the terrorist It's coming to that even such a is allowed to go and prepare it upon him. This shim is allowed to burn the paradow to burn the parad is not totally in this fundamental shil but the dissolve is nothing to do with our more specific shar with that at was allowed to burn it. The question is it every even the even the are also or is it only at that's