Zevachim 30

Today's daf is and we are at the Mishnah in the middle of daf so we're continuing to discuss the pigul. So pigul is one of the things that have permeated the entire 30 daf and also that we've already learned together in the however to the basic of pigul are these at the end of the second period. The mission mentioned the basic of what's the matter with and now we have a second Mishnah that again is going to discuss more details very basic fundamental details as it relates to the of pigul. So what the Mishnah says this is the rule as it relates to pigul and the matter of the If anyone does anyone of the matter of the matter of the matter And he does it with the matter of the matter of the matter of the matter of the matter of the matter of the matter of the matter matter of the matter of the matter of the matter of the matter of the matter of the matter of the matter of the matter So if somebody does one of the matter of the matter of the matter of the matter of the matter of the matter of the matter of the matter of the matter of the matter of the matter of the matter of the matter of the matter of the matter either or What's he going to do matter of the matter of the matter of the matter of the matter of the matter either in the matter of the matter of the matter of the matter or in the matter of the matter of the matter of the matter of the matter The matter is if the matter of the matter of the matter of the matter of the matter of the matter of the matter it's the matter of the matter of the matter of the matter of the matter of the matter of the the matter but if somebody eats the matter of the matter of the matter of the matter of the matter of the matter If he does it matter of the matter of the matter of the matter of the matter of the matter of the matter of the matter of the matter of the matter of the matter he's going to be matter of the matter of the Stating that says the Mishnah and this is the primary of the Mishnah This the only time this pigul is if everything other than the matter of the matter of the matter of the matter of the matter of the matter of the matter of the matter was okay Meaning if a would do one of the matter of the matter of the matter of the matter of the matter of the matter of the matter of the matter but in addition to the matter of the matter of the matter of the matter of the matter of the matter of the matter of the matter of the matter of the matter be something else wrong with this carbon Then the matter of the matter of the matter of the matter of the matter of the matter of the matter of the matter of the because now you have two things wrong with it Number one the matter of the matter of the matter Number two whatever else was wrong with it But at the same time you're not going to have the matter of the matter of the matter of the matter of the this carbon is going to be matter of the matter The only time there's a matter of the matter if somebody eats the matter of the matter of a carbon that had a matter of the matter of the matter is if the only thing that was wrong with this carbon was the matter of the matter of the matter If there was another issue with it case there's not going to be a matter of the matter That's what the Mishnah says So we have a long winded description of exactly what this If the matter of the matter of the matter meaning there was no matter of the matter of the matter of the matter or no other matter of the matter of the matter and then matter of the matter of the then he did the matter of the matter of the matter of the matter matter of the matter matter of the matter of the matter or he did the matter of the matter of the matter of the matter of the matter of the matter and he did the other matter of the matter of the matter matter of the matter of the the matter of the matter of the matter of the matter of the matter of the or he did all the matter of the matter with the matter of the matter of the matter That's an example of where the only thing that was wrong with this carbon was the matter of the matter of the It's in that case that you have the matter of pigul the matter of the matter of the matter Again because the only thing that was wrong with these matter of the matter of the matter of the matter of the matter just to make the point clear What's an example of a carbon that had a matter of the matter of the matter but it was like matter of the matter of the matter very simple matter matter of the matter matter of the matter of the matter of the matter the matter of the matter of the matter of the matter of the and the matter of the matter of the matter with the matter of the matter matter of the matter of the the matter of the matter of the matter of the matter of the matter of the matter of the matter matter of the matter of the matter of the matter of the matter of the matter matter of the matter of the matter of the matter the matter of the matter So again in all these cases in addition to the matter of the matter of the matter there's also matter of the matter of matter of the matter or a matter of the matter of the matter or if the carbon that was being brought was a matter of the matter of the matter matter of the matter of the matter of the matter where the matter is that the matter of the matter of the makes the carbon possible So if the matter was not matter of the matter the matter of the matter of the matter of the matter of the matter of the matter matter of the matter of the matter of the matter matter of the matter of the matter of the matter of the matter of the matter matter of the matter of the matter of the matter of the matter of the matter of the matter of the matter of the matter of the matter of the matter matter of the matter of the matter that's an example where it was like matter of the matter of the Again what's matter in that whole group It's because over there in addition to the matter of the matter of the matter there was also either matter of the matter of the matter or matter of the matter of the matter The bottom line is down in the matter of the matter of the matter this carbon is still going to be possible Meaning it's like matter of the matter of the matter of the It's not a perfect carbon with the exception of the pigul in that case you don't have the matter of pigul which matter of pigul matter So the only time you have the matter of pigul is if without the pigul everything would be would be okay What the Mishnah refers to as matter of the matter of the matter But if it was like matter of the matter of the matter meaning there's an issue with this carbon in addition to the matter of the matter of the matter Of course the carbon's going to be possible because again there's two things wrong with the carbon now But as it relates to the matter of the matter in that case there's not going to be a matter of the matter The Mishnah continues matter of the matter What would be if a did the matter of the matter and he had in mind the matter that he's going to eat the matter of the matter of the matter matter matter of the matter and a matter of the matter the matter matter of the matter or matter of the matter of the or matter of the matter of the matter of the matter matter of the matter matter of matter of the matter of the matter matter of the matter of the matter of the matter of the You're going to be possible and there's not going to be a matter of the Again why is there no matter of the matter so the Mishnah really repeated itself There's no matter because in addition to the the matter which is matter of the matter there's also a matter which is matter of the matter It's like matter of the matter of the matter there's an issue in addition to the matter matter of the matter the matter of the matter of the matter the matter is possible of course the I'm ready to hear what you have to argue This is the rule matter of the matter of the matter matter of the matter of the matter the matter of the matter of the matter of the matter of the matter of the matter of the matter I agree with the premise of the Mishnah that there is [snorts] an idea that if like matter of the matter of the matter if there's an issue with this carbon in addition to the matter of the matter of the then if you have a matter of the matter of the matter there's not going to be a matter of the matter but that's only true if the other matter such as the matter of the matter of the matter or if it was a matter of the matter of the matter of the matter of the matter happened before the matter of the matter of the matter If however the matter of the matter of the matter happened first and then afterwards the matter had a matter of the matter of the matter or by matter of the matter of the matter of the matter Once it's matter the matter of the matter of the matter at that point even if you have another matter In other words it's like matter of the matter of the matter the matter is going to be that it's going to be pigul the matter of the matter the matter of the matter of the matter they say matter of the matter of the matter of No it makes no difference the matter of the matter of the matter was first or if the matter of the matter of the matter was second in either case if it's like matter of the matter of the matter the matter is matter of the matter of what would the matter of the matter of the matter of the matter of the matter of matter the matter of the matter of the matter of the matter if the matter had a matter of the matter of the matter of the matter of the matter and he had a matter of the matter of the matter of the matter So the matter of the matter of the matter matter of the matter matter of the matter We'll see about that already in tomorrow's daf The bottom line is is the basic of the Mishnah is this idea It's one of the of pigul something that you have to internalize Thus we will repeat it and that is >> [laughter] >> that in order for a carbon to be pigul you need that it should be matter of the matter of the matter There was a matter there was a matter there was a matter there was a matter It was done by someone that was matter to do the matter of the matter of the matter of the He used the matter of the He was a matter There was no other matter of the matter of the The only thing that was wrong was there was a matter of the matter of the matter during one of the matter of the matter There is a matter of pigul the matter of the matter If somewhere else in the matter something tripped up and there was something else wrong of course the carbon's possible but in terms of matter it's like matter of the matter of the matter there's not going to be a matter of the matter This is in terms of the matter of matter of the matter of the matter the matter of the matter of the matter talks about it It really goes to the gut of understanding pigul what in they refer to as carbon pigul but we're going to leave that >> [laughter] >> the matter but in terms but in addition to that there was also matter of the matter of the matter the matter argued with the matter of the matter He said it really depends I agree with you so it the principle of matter of the matter of the matter However the only time it's true is if the other matter happened first So first it was matter of the matter of the matter First it was matter of the matter of the matter then if you have a matter of the matter of the matter the matter is it's going to be a matter of the matter but if first you had the matter of the matter of the and afterwards you had the other matter in that case there it is going to be a matter of the pigul So what the matter said the matter of the matter This matter of the matter of the matter of the matter of the matter of the matter is matter of the matter of the matter of the matter matter of the matter of the matter but by one matter the matter of the matter the matter of the matter of the matter of the matter of the matter that if the matter of the matter of the matter or the matter of the matter of the matter of the you don't have this matter of like matter of the matter of the that's only if it was two matter So the matter of the matter of the matter with the matter of the matter of the matter of matter of the matter and then he did the matter of the matter the matter of the matter of the matter says the matter of the matter meaning that you had the matter of the matter of the matter first So then the matter is I don't care that in the matter you had the matter of the matter of the matter There's no matter of the matter of the matter of the matter If however the two matter of the would have happened in the same matter of the So while the matter was doing the matter he had in mind matter of the matter and then matter of the matter It happened in the same matter of the So then we [snorts] don't say once you had the matter of the matter of the automatically matter of the matter I don't care about the matter then I am going to care about the matter of the The only time I don't care about the matter of the matter is if it was two matter meaning once I did one matter of the matter it was it's matter the avoid of MONEY IN THE CARBON. SO I DON'T CARE WHAT happens afterwards as Yehuda. I just carbon market. That's if you had first coming then the money. But says that's only if it was two avoiders. But if one avoid in the street alone, the coin had a carbon money and then carbon you're not going to say being that the carbon money was first in the street. So I don't care about the carbon money. No, then you're not going to say that you can make an argument. He said Yehuda said even by one avoid. As long as the carbon money was the first he had even if in the same avoid he had another it doesn't matter it's going to be a of carbon money. Possible the maker something of the going to be the race of avoiders even this way the very wordy mission. With the mission gave examples of carbon market like carbon market all the examples of the mission were two different avoiders. We did the street with this carbon we did that we did the street it's all to avoid. So the beginning of the mission is all to avoid. Then we build up to the it's very it's consistent it's the whole mission is discussing to avoid. The maker of the avoid the first part of the mission with the mission brings the of carbon market clearly the mission is talking about two avoid. Then the mission mentions and you're going to tell me who is in the safe of the mission is only arguing where it was or even arguing where it was avoid if the race is discussing two avoid. Doesn't it seem reasonable that the safe would also be discussing two avoid and not also avoid. The says what's the greatest maker is going to tell you in safe being that the safe being the avoid. You're right the examples of the race of the mission will all stay avoid. In terms of the safe where argues maker arguing in the cases of the examples that the mission gave. The mission say his even if it was on the mission said I cloud. So said his that what matters is which he had first. He prefaced it with the words sounds like he's coming to say something big. Says what did he say? Says my carbon I'm going to figure out the mission I'm going to figure out how you figure out the that didn't only say his mission avoid. He said his even by avoid. That's probably what he meant when he said that was the what's he coming to be in my coming to be in my even by that is going to be true. But according to the what's the cloud? And the says which we know the mission of what's the difference between the difference means there is no answer. Means there is an answer but you have to work on it. The for whatever reason doesn't feel like giving the answer. The bottom line is is we have a on because the cloud is a little bit more like a little bit less like now the before we go you have to understand level two. This because the is about to segue into a completely unrelated in charge. Unless you go through it it's going to be a little difficult to understand how did we go from discussing where the is about to go. So we have a and the in the mission with regards to the of carbon market. Say that the only time a carbon is in the sense that there's a carbon is if everything other than the carbon was okay. Says it's true but it's not true. Meaning it's true in the sense that if you would have a bad before the carbon then when you have the carbon it wouldn't make the carbon carbon but if it has money was then you are going to have then we had I don't understand what he said. He only said his mission he said his if you had one avoid you did completely with a of carbon money then the second avoid you did with that's not a problem of carbon market because once you did the first avoid with a money it was already in the carbon that it's a that's why it's going to be if however it was in the same avoid. So the street for example you can say the same for carbon just using street as an example. You had a mind both side of carbon money and side of carbon says the other you're not going to say his meaning the oneness of of is is that once I did an avoid with a of carbon money there's nothing that can move that. It's already in this carbon that it's a carbon that's being done with carbon money. I don't care what happens afterwards. The is going to be there's going to be a carbon in this carbon. But if in the same avoid I had a of carbon money so there was nothing yet when I had the of carbon money because they did so to speak I also thought carbon money. So but I say that you wanted to be money it's also being carbon money. So therefore you don't have this mission. I feel about the mission said his even by one avoid. What's you in the way the mission said that the mission said his what's the question of the mission? is the big question. And the carrots of the question says literally in a few words. So the mission what must the mission have held the mission so it's after avoid the mission it's the first wide line on the bottom of the three lines from the bottom. The mission the mission must hold the mission. The mission must hold that any time a person says to the mission I say two things and the two contradict so the mission over here this coin said two contradictory things. He said carbon and he said carbon. So being that he said two contradictory things what we're going to say is mission. In other words according to the the side of the mission is related to a mission. It's not just a very local specific is working bigger in understanding how carbon is no it's it's a very mission where a person said two things. He was according to the mission you have to say it throughout the mission. So he said carbon money and he said carbon carbon carbon carbon the side of the mission once you say carbon money even if in the same avoid you end up saying carbon doesn't matter. It's already going to be in this carbon that it's going to be a carbon carbon money. But if you think about it for a second it's a why is it a because what's this idea throughout carbon so just give you an example. Somebody says I want all my money to go to then he says he mean carbon it's carbon carbon can't be carbon because if you're giving all your money to you're giving all your money to so that would be a classic example textbook of where you would have this of of carbon carbon or carbon but if there's no between carbon and carbon there's no reason to go down the road of the of carbon carbon. What was the in this case? A coin is doing the street one avoid the street the first he has in mind I want to eat the carbon money then he has in mind I want to eat the carbon have you seen a cow? Have you ever seen it? That there's a lot of in this animal. So what's the he had in mind he's going to eat it because I carbon money. He had in mind he's going to it's like the first one said I'm going to give $100 to $100 to what's the or carbon he said no he meant both. So I'm going to give 100 to 100 to carbon carbon is where there's a so I have to know what he meant. Did he mean one did he mean the other? Was he that's when you get involved in all the missions of carbon throughout the mission but that's where it's where there is an inherent blatant contradiction in the what this man said. But if it was no I tried to read the carbon money and carbon money. What does it have to do with the of carbon that's the segue the intro that you need I believe to understand the next so right we're going to read the mission there [snorts] was a that had a carbon that was and he said I want this not carbon that was an animal that was and he said I want this animal to be carbon and then he said carbon. So carbon is a very bad thing it's a lot of two you're not allowed to do it. But the bottom line you get for even though it's a lot of maybe right that's one of the exceptions to the rule of but this went and he made something carbon. What animal? So first he says I want it to be the of an then he said so what's the mission if we know for sure that he had in mind not one versus the other but he wanted both. He wanted to be of and of being that it's impossible to say two things at the same time. But but we as mortals cannot say two things at the same time. As a result so we assume that he really wants both he said one first it's just because there's no other way to do it. So what's going to be the it's going to be of and what do you do with a carbon that's of it's carbon but you can't be obviously because an animal that has a half carbon of one carbon half of another carbon so you have to follow the guideline of what you do with carbon that you can't be but the point is it's carbon of and but he really we know his intention was to say then he changed his mind he decided instead I he wants it to be carbon I then he agrees according to it's always going to be carbon according to the it's depends. It depends on what his was. If his was to make both it's going to be both as one it's going to be what's the seems to say that even if the person says that I wanted both to be doesn't matter. What's is which is the first thing that he said. Close the is Is only because he said he said carbon. so it sounds like he for sure wanted it first to be and then changed his mind for it to be what's the giveaway the fact that he said the word again but had he said maybe it would be different or not maybe even if you said another what would be this seems to be even more obvious what would be in the case where the person says I want this animal of to be for half of it and for the other half I mean over here it seems very obvious that what's this person wants both of them to be would even over there bring that he said what we would refer to as region or maybe not would you have clearly I want half of it to be have in the second case the case where he said I want half of it to be half of it to be despite the fact that he said the word first there's no question it's going to be why because what's the of the region where there's a where I'm not sure what he meant where I think maybe he was okay so over there we always assume he means the first thing not the second thing but over here we know what he meant he said I want so over here both are going to be so said listen TO THIS BUT THERE'S NO WAY THERE'S A IN THAT'S going to tell you that because the person said first and second automatically Russian region it all makes sense where there's a that he's confused or he's being but in this case where it's clear what he meant he wants half half no it's you can have what's the so yeah my lady you say you can't hear such a there's no way there's a in that's going to tell you Russian region even when you know for sure there's no I raised she is half of the mission no I think I was doing the he had first to do with the first to do with whatever you would have been doing first the is it's going to be bigger the of course it's true even where it was all in one it was all in one street and what's the because he also Russian region it's not a it's you know what he's thinking I don't want you to get $100 you to get $100 one is one is one is they want half the animal to be half the animal to be but it doesn't matter once you say something that's Russian region so how could you SAY MY DEAR THERE'S GOING TO BE on the bottom of the Gamara is going to say that maybe so we even have a that you would somehow thinking along the same lines but the bottom line is it's not so at all because the way understood it's not the way it's but it's all the way understood right the way two different there's nothing to do with but the way understood I feel it's based on the of Russian region so the how could you tell me there's no such thing on my way so told even that said it's not what people think yeah the man in the street thinks so what does he mean when he said I feel he was doing the while the he had two he was doing the doing the that's not what was going on he meant it's specifically because by in order for to be whether or even for that matter you have to of the two the and the the and the meaning there's two components to every and where he one with and the other with of we speak it outside first and explains of the opinion that it's a big you where you can be even in a in a matter or in a the of each is it's a matter if you have first first is bigger because once you had a in one it's already the carbon the that's MEANING THE OF IS NOT RUSSIAN REGION RUSSIAN IS NO WITH BUT WHAT DID SO WHAT DID MEAN WHEN HE SAID HE SAID IT'S I FEEL HE DIDN'T mean when you had two of the same he meant where in a you could divide into two components such as one and another he the of so just like understood two because once I had the of in the the can't change it so right just took it to the next level he had so once I had by a matter no matter you can't mess it up by the second half of it it's not related to region anyway accept the Gamara my way so told in do you think that is of the opinion that there's no until you finish the in nothing's until the end yes each that you has a or the mission is discussing Russian says the Gamara so what about the Gamara always asks this meaning the parable that we have here this is hidden in the regarding the we have the we have the regarding same exact over there and there the mission says you would hold this by the so the was doing the and he had in mind the first and then even the way you understand even though it was done by one once he has it's you can't split the it's one so so what were you thinking over there must be the of the of so how could say my dear the the so the Gamara says it's it's talking about it's not talking about where the was you're right there's no way to make it work the of is not by is not by the way the it will be because every had two components to it there was the and and there was there was done on the there was that was on the the the two together made up what we know as the which is the equivalent of the so it's like the that it's broken up into two parts just like by you have the of the two so to by the you have the of the you have the of the it's that that said that even by holds this again because there's two components to it and the matter so it's how THE IN THE OF THE WITHOUT THE BUT says I hear that's good the I hear I hear the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the that's the the person couldn't even afford to bring the the the since anybody his was called the he's bringing because he didn't have the so that's the classic case of actually brings but either way in that classic case of there's no and because there's no so the over there again you don't have the the two that happened in the the says the Gamara you see they argue it's always the best answer I'm a he said in terms of you see you see you know what I've been by each step so he did one step of the with the the next step of the did that's where would say I feel I hear the that it's that it's how in that already the the but in one one one one one if it's in one one if it's in one act I got that there's no of the because the whole would be Russian region what's the Russian region Russian region is where there's Russian region is where there's a where there's some contradiction but if it's actually like $100 for $100 for there's no of Russian region you had to do a Russian Russian Russian Russian Russian this of the of in how to understand the of and which really boils down to how to understand the of and the mission of the other chimed in as well I hear that I hear okay I hear came back from he reported that in they used to say that the of that who said I raised the I raised I raised I raised the the that has a to and how would you understand that because the of is I feel like and the of the of is Russian region there's a to of the otherwise one has nothing to do with the other is discussing the of Russian region the is discussing the of he explained it clearly that I hear that I hear that I hear that I hear that I hear that I hear that I hear that I hear that I hear that I hear that I hear that that this like did has a with the of Russian region so told again is sticking up for himself holds that even has nothing to do with Russian region it's related to the matter and it's true it's not all one it's the one of the two by it's one of the by the of the by it's one of the by the witness I walk her because it's give me a solid like the just his condition is this is the report that you're coming back with I'll prove to you that you're wrong how I got you prove it on the run to make sure between the mayor of Yossi who are you regarding a reason to it's it's possible you could do that you can make them not argue fake thing Marvel you could make them not argue the play you really have to know what to put the commas here play give me my the play the light play give me my delight play beat that 10 times backwards no right what did he mean to say how come everybody agrees me say you say you see everyone agrees if the person said before so I want this to be common the other one to be so it's possible second one's not going to be he was very very clear what he wanted he said I want first that you be then it should be tomorrow so there's no way tomorrow is going to be how if he said clearly I want both of them to be I don't want this to be unless that's how this person's talking like a match right he's saying exactly what he wants he's been clear he's being articulate he's helping us out so in that case everyone agrees that they're both going to be how what do you mean they're both going to be how this it's called this you just can't be mad from tomorrow Islam in America he added the word tomorrow tomorrow and tomorrow Islam you see from here that he means to be for a video you see he know it's not a deal he would have in his mind he thought maybe it would be half and half in his silly mind he thinks it could all be in all be Islam maybe you want to know why he said tomorrow tomorrow Islam as opposed to tomorrow Islam you can't necessarily read too much into it but the bottom line is is what did I buy you one from this I just wanted that you see from Robert and that there's no major over here between and whether toughest reason toughest really what it boils down to is just understanding the psychology of this person that could have said a reason to Islam Islam and instead he said I reason to Islam and Islam he told you're coming back from Islam and you're telling me that in the mission is walking holds this big dish of even when there's no stereo and you stand up mayor I'm going to tell you what I heard from Robert and that who said in the name of Yohan which is where he had most of his reports back from most of his reports came back from Yohan I heard that that is not there's not even a major over here between and it's just a it's just a nuance over here of understanding what exactly meant to the word it says I said he told the buyer I hear and it's very nice that you heard from Robert not like what I'm saying in other words who am I going to play I mean to play it and in other words I'm arguing so the bottom line is I true what you heard from Robert and but at the same time it has no bearing on what I have to say so the next tomorrow really segues into tomorrow that we will stop here but not before we speak out a little bit of very very light rate so we're going to go back and speak about something that we spoke about in the past but in the and certainly somebody in as already holding so just a little bit of in so the tomorrow began today's death with Alpha and had to understand the case with [snorts] regards to that I will walk off and say I thought it was interesting that we've had already several times Alpha is in a minor usually when you see in chassis comes together with Yohan but you don't there's not a lot of Alpha not a lot of Alpha in chassis but in the beginning of Alpha is a very prominently featured among the law we had Alpha in the beginning of the circle where Alpha said I will walk her regarding if you could be the shots expert so when the Korean did this Rico by the house he would have to be could you have a speaker or not we didn't learn from Islam by Islam so maybe there's no when it comes to your reader >> [snorts] >> we had a of Alpha in the of if a Korean did from the Kia and then he stayed up 24 hours now it's ready the next morning do you have to do it again do you not have to do it is it shaming and also discuss what would be the according that because you have a light if the mayor Kia was left in the Kia overnight would you have the so Lena there would you not have the here we have another Alpha understanding the of and say so there's a lot of over here in Islam and I think it's important to have a little bit of background in terms of understanding exactly who Alpha was so the story of Alpha and it is a story is mentioned in kindness the says as follows Alpha says they were learning together and they were struggling they were finding it very very hard to make ends meet so they said to each other make a minute so let's get up and let's go to work I shall promise that there's going to be no poor people amongst the Jewish nation we're poor people so let's go do something about it let's go work we'll make money and like this we won't have this policy of the heaven they went and they sat underneath a a dilapidated bridge they haven't even realized they're not allowed to sit underneath something they were breaking bread as they eating lunch tomorrow is come and they start having a conversation and show me over heard it the one tells the let it fall because they're leaving walked out of his mansion they're going to work now they all my lady so the other said I hear leave them one of these two people is a very special person great things are going to come from him you can't do this the says and Alpha and do you hear anything I didn't hear anything with the mean that I heard and Alpha didn't hear I must be that one person I'm going to Alpha I had a change of heart I'm going back but I can have joy and rather than be my kind of policy of this give me a I'm going to be my kind of different policy like there's always going to be poor people so then he asks the between the two again Alpha had that and Alpha didn't go back so Alpha years later Alpha comes back to Shiva and he sees the Yohan the became king he became the Russian Shiva I'm going to Alpha and the went to Alpha and they told him do you know he is my regard as like have a lot of my you on fast track much more than Yohan was and had you not left you would have been the Russian Shiva not Yohan so Alpha hears that Alpha turned to the says I hear I'm a couple but at the same time you think I haven't been learning over the last couple of years I will tell them carry this he went and he suspended himself on the master of a ship I might he said he if there's somebody that can present me with a bracer and I can't be a mission to to that bracer now fill me I'll jump off the ship and I will drown so there was an old the says he didn't have a sense of humor he went to Alpha [laughter] he asked him a question I can't give you a maze comes up in the sky and of course Alpha was able to be patient this is the story of Alpha Yohan Ruben Ellis in his to the safer Margolis brings this tomorrow so he has a one page introduction a one page to the safer and is a second engine it's one of the many Ruben wrote although this is probably his magnum opus in terms of how it was accepted amongst Israel and in his there's one page and he begins with this tomorrow and he has a little bit of a thesis on this tomorrow he said something I believe he says number one if you go through the tomorrow it seems that at the beginning of the story Alpha was greater than Yohan number one they told Alpha that if I do not left Shiva you would have been the Russian Shiva since the last you can in the tomorrow number one Alpha Yohan it doesn't say Yohan Alpha not just that reason >> [laughter] >> very good not just that Yohan tremendous tells Alpha did you hear what does he say my is always ready always refers to Robert and says my because he was his rabbit so clearly Alpha was holding more than Yohan was but Yohan went back Alpha didn't go back and as a result Yohan dies and Alpha didn't dies but at the same time says Ruben is before in tomorrow that that Alpha as much as he went to work and as much as he wasn't maybe so but he contributed a lot he had Alpha mentioned in chassis the tomorrow that we just mentioned right now he quotes the tomorrow ironically where the tomorrow says I looked up the tomorrow the tomorrow discussing I will walk again of and say very much in culture but the point is is that Alpha even wrote for so say the Magolas I am. You see from here, you see from here that even somebody that leaves Yeshiva and even someone that's not teras umnasa, but still he has an ability to contribute tremendously, tremendously to Torah. His loshon is he says that Ilfa became the semel, the semel of the Talmud chacham socher, of somebody that was a socher, he was involved in in business, but at the same time he remained a Talmud chacham. And although it's true says Magolas, he never became Rebbi Yochanan. He didn't become Rebbi Yochanan. But at the same time he contributed tremendously. So we're all familiar with Yissocher and Zevulun. Yissocher sits and learns. It's by am gitayiv. It's gewaldig. He's a kohen gadol. He sits and learns all day. Zevulun, his job is to support. That's what he does. He writes checks. He's he's a machzik Torah. So you have those Yissocher and this Zevulun. But there's a grey area too. There's an Ilfa. There's Yissocher, there's Zevulun, there's Ilfa. Ilfa is oisek b'mishar. He's a socher, he's a tager, but at the same time he's also a Talmud chacham. And it's true, he can't be Rebbi Yochanan. Ilfa can't ever become Rebbi Yochanan. Rebbi Yochanan was the melech. But at the same time Ilfa can sign a great Talmud chacham. He could be quoted in shas. He could be a mechaber swara kasav a pinkas edel. The Magolas Sayam wrote this one page introduction to his sefer. And at first glance it's very hard to understand why he would have done that. It has no shiyachus to meseches Sanhedrin. There's no beginning, there's no end. But the rest of the story of course is Rebbi Ruvein Magolas himself. He wasn't a yid that was teras umnasa. He was a Talmud chacham mostly yivo many many swara. But at the same time he was an Ilfa so to speak. And the Vilna Gaon says that he wrote this almost as an apology, as a sav hisnatslus. Who am I to write a sefer Magolas Sayam kasav a pinkas edel. Ilfa wrote a sefer ich ken shreiben a sefer ich and ich ken nami. And he acknowledged not Rebbi Yochanan, not this last line he says on the way malach. Listen to this. He says Ilfa wasn't melech. Aval Ilfa in a chofetz klavim leich. Ilfa didn't want to be melech in bold letters. Gagui Ilfa in vil may l'ammi. What Ilfa wanted was not to be king. He wanted to learn and to teach. Lastly l'ish mikoyris v'shoynim ulahashkis shmayim l'dvar Hashem b'sichas chaveirim uv'firsum divrei Torah she kasav b'pin kasav. He signs off Ruvein ben Moshe Magolas. Unbelievable. But al kol panim that's this. And of course that you know Rebbi Ruvein Magolas wasn't the only one of the great contributors to Torah that were that were not teras umnasa so to speak. Another very notable was the Chayei Adam. And Chayei Adam in his hakdama to sefer Chayei Adam in his in his hakdama to sefer Chacham Adam he also writes apologetically because he was a businessman and people are going to wonder that which Avraham Danzig wrote the Chayei Adam. That Avraham Danzig that I used to do business with, that I used to meet in the market. That's what he writes in his hakdama to Chacham Adam. And again, almost apologetically he wrote that despite the fact that he knew he wasn't teras umnasa, but at the same time he had to do what he what he had to do it. I think it's a lot of chizuk. It's kedai to hear some of the loshonos that he writes inside. He says vi ilu alaihu socherim. The socherim could be made. Shafilu b'eis n'siyosi b'Leipzig. Even when I used to travel to Leipzig. Leipzig was a place where there was a very famous yerid in in Europe. V'monasi mikach im migemara umikra umishna. I used to take with me my gemara, my chumash, my mishnayos. V'afilu b'shaas yerid kamatzu l'madati b'chol yoy. I used to learn every day daf v'cheitzi gemara. I used to learn daf v'cheitzi. This is pre Rebbi Meir Shapiro. Chutz mishnayos. V'chayei Adam amazing. Like he's writing that I did the daf so to speak. This is the Chayei Adam. V'chayei roshi she'einani koisev zois l'shois koisev. to the spot. I'm not saying this because I want to be a baal gaiva. Kimah ani am nachai. Then Rebbi Yochanan ben Zakai said Rebbi Yochanan ben Zakai said l'mameleches Torah harbei al tachas l'atzmo ki l'kachnu Torah. V'chol sh'kein yom yom ma'at ma'at asher kol echad choyev b'zeh v'lo. Rebbi Yochanan ben Zakai didn't want to be machzik tov for the Torah that he learned. Says the Chayei Adam, I'm going to be machzik tov for the Torah that I learned. He says v'chayei roshi she'einani koisev she'a person walk around saying wow I'm a I'm a shisser. You know why? I put on tefillin every day. I have you have to put on tefillin every day. Kacha chiyuv kol yom k'dei ch'seiv uv'lechtecha vaderech. Even if you're traveling. V'einani koisev zois rak l'eida v'lo l'eidiyach. I'm writing this because people make a mistake. Shetoyim ma'oid hasocherim k'sheim al derech. When they're traveling uv'frat b'shaas yerid k'sheim oinim b'derech halotza. Kivan she'nasah mess. So the mess was the yerid. Kivan she'nasah mess potrim min hamitzvos. Chalila lo yizaharu b'derech haTorah k'mayim tarfin vi achtin b'choyrim l'hipotrim mimenu. D'chiyuv zeh hu b'chol eis d'zman k'dei ch'seiv b'shivtecha uv'lechtecha uv'shachbecha uv'kumecha uv'lechtecha vaderech. U'lai he says me many human do bonai. V'yoitzeiach halotza v'afilu echad mi'elef yidim chosach tz'as. And that's why I'm writing this. To show that just because I was out and I was traveling doing what I was doing it didn't mean that I that I ever stopped learning. D'varim nifla. This idea, this semel of what Ilfa was. Now in terms of understanding this machlokes between Rebbi Yochanan and Ilfa. Rebbi Yochanan went back. Now Ilfa not maybe has shiyachus with the Rambam on the Torah perek gimel alafim yud. The rate of the Kessef Mishneh. We have great bites on this in terms of Torah ha'eir. It's way way way way way above my pay grade. But I'll just tell you one thing may inyan l'inyan b'oiser inyan that I heard from the Rav shlita, Rebbi Yehoshua Abba, a d'var nifla. That's also very much related to this idea and to Eiruvin 4s. We all know the mishna at the end of Pirkei Avos. Omrei Rebbi Yossi ben Kisma. B'machsisim halachah vaderech. I was once traveling uv'pagani ad hamachor. And I met a person. V'nosan li shalom. He gave me shalom. V'chazarti l'sholom. I said aleichem shalom. I said Rebbi Yisrael Makam Torah, where are you from? I'm from Tivoli. I told him ir gedolah shel chachamim shel sefer. I come from a very kashdish with a lot of you know the light, a lot of n'kiyus. Amali told him Rebbi, v'tzoich l'cha t'tadei im eineni k'meidei. You want to come move in with us, become Rav. V'ein esen l'cha elef alafim dinrei zahav avonim tovim u'margoliyos. Amali I told him beni, im aten li kol kesef v'zahav avonim tovim u'margoliyos even if you give me all the money in the world eini dar elef alafim Torah. And then he gave him a whole mussar shmuess. You know why? Because when a person dies im lo avonoisav like kesef v'zahav v'avonim tovim u'margoliyos. Elo Torah ma'asim tovim uv'datcha n'emar b'salchecha tan choyischa b'shachbecha tishmarecha. V'chayei tzoisi disichacha I'm skipping. V'chein kasav b'sefer Tehillim. And as they state in sefer Tehillim al yidei Dovid Melech Yisrael tov li Torahscha me'alfei zahav v'chessef. So the Rav shteilt zich the mishna at the very very end where Rebbi Yossi ben Kisma tells him v'chein kasav b'sefer Tehillim al yidei Dovid Melech Yisrael tov li Torahscha me'alfei zahav v'chessef. So you're offering me all this money. I hear very nice. But I would rather live in a city of chachamim because to me tov li Torahscha living with the chachamim and shteiging and learning versus the alfei zahav v'chessef that you're going to go ahead and you're now going to give me. But the ohr was that why did the tanna, why did Rebbi Yossi ben Kisma say v'chein kasav [snorts] b'sefer Tehillim al yidei Dovid Melech Yisrael? Where else do you find if a mishna or a braisa or gemara is quoting sefer Tehillim that it mentions who the mechaber of sefer We know the mechaber of sefer Tehillim was. The mechaber of sefer Tehillim was Dovid Melech Yisrael it's a gemara in Bava Basra. There were 10 people that contributed. But everybody knows who the mechaber of sefer Tehillim was. Dovid Melech Yisrael. So why do you say k'dei ch'seiv? There's a few psukim that were quoted. We're quoting the pasuk b'salchecha tan choyischa. V'chessef v'zahav it's a pasuk in Chaggai. It doesn't say k'mo she'omar Chaggai. So what's this emphasis k'mo she'omar Dovid Melech Yisrael tov li Torahscha me'alfei zahav v'chessef. So the Rav said pshat based on a midrash that's quoted in Otzar Midrashim. The midrash tells a story. Maiseh d'Rebbi Kahana. Rebbi Kahana had a son. His name was Salek. When Salek was 5 years old Rebbi Kahana hired a melamed to teach Salek Torah. The midrash says that Salek stayed in his house for no less than 25 years. And for 25 years r'tzufos he learned Torah with his melamed. Needless to say that at the end of the 25 years he was 30 years old. He was a chashuv a chashuv bochur. Ich ken zehr zehr zehr gut lernen. He was unbelievable what a Talmud chacham he was. So it's turns to his father, Rebbi Kahana he says, am I allowed to go out now? It's 25 years. He said yeah. Goes outside to the shuk for the first time and he sees that somebody's selling water. So he goes over to him and says I'd like to buy some water. He says okay. Water costs one mateh. It's a quarter. You have a quarter? He says I don't have a quarter. He says if you don't have a quarter I can't give you water. He said listen, it's true. I don't have a quarter. But at the same time I have so much Torah inside of me. I just learned Torah for 25 years. Can I not use that to get a glass of water? He says listen, I don't know about the Torah that you learned. I don't know what you're talking about. You want a glass of water, you have to give me a quarter. No quarter, no water. >> [laughter] >> He goes What's that? Where did that come from? >> [laughter] >> He goes back to his father. He tells Rebbi Kahana, he says it's unbelievable. I don't understand. I spent 25 >> [laughter] >> years No kidding. No. How does that go? I spent 25 YEARS LEARNING. I CAN'T EVEN GET A GLASS OF WATER OUT OF IT. It's unbelievable. FUNIF IT'S FUN T'KIYA. HE was mamesh depressed. He was ungeshtalt. He didn't know what to do with himself. So his father said listen. I hear. We have in our family something we got b'yerusha. We have a diamond. I want you to take this diamond. I want you to sell it. And I'll tell you why. You know me the midrash says and mommy we're already getting older. You go sell it. We'll split the money. We'll take half the money. We'll retire off of that. And you can take the other half of money. You can start your life off that. But before you sell it, I don't want you to go straight to 47th Street, straight to the shuk where all the mevinim are. I want you to go first to the local market. Ask them what they're willing to pay for it. Hear the price that they quote. Then go to 47th Street. Then hear what they want to pay. Either way so Rebbi Kahana's son Salek takes this diamond. He goes to the local socherim. He shows it to them. They look at it under the the loop. We'll give you $500 for it. Okay. But he knew his father said not to sell it. You have to go to with the mevinim are. He goes to the mevinim. He shows it to them. They look at the diamond, certificate, $100,000. He goes back home. He tells Rebbi Kahana, should I take it? And they're offering me $100,000. We'll split it 50,000. He says absolutely. He said, but tell me why did you want me first to go to this shuk? And why did you want me to go to this local? What was the point? You knew these guys were going to give me the real price. What? He says, "The reason was is I wanted you to realize that I made enough of a in order to realize what its real value is." It's true. Sometimes you show something to someone, the person looks at it, he's not of it. You know he's not cuz he's not always looking at. These local pawn shops, they looked at this diamond, they thought it was worth $500. They weren't trying to rip you off. They were offering you $500, that's what they thought it was worth. They're not the even it. But when you showed it to the and the understood it was $100,000. He said, "You remember when you left 25 years of Torah, you wanted to buy a glass of water, they wouldn't give it to you cuz they felt you have a you got it. Otherwise you're not going to get it. They didn't understand the of Torah." You're right. He says, "You learn Torah for 25 you're going to meet a lot of people that aren't going to be of what it is you did. That's cuz they're not They're those pawn shops that are offering you $500 for a D flawless stone. But what you have is a D flawless diamond and you want people to be of it, hang out with When you get to the those are the people that are going to appreciate it." Rob said a story that he heard that there was once a in the diamond district in Antwerp. Apparently one of the big there was a there was a there was a there. Somebody got up and spoke and he said over diamonds. So he said that, you know, said that is that is more precious than diamonds. He said over there that the says what does it mean it means with it means the with So I'm an automatic asked that how did they say how did know that when it says it means more than the it means maybe means literally maybe it means diamonds are very expensive maybe it means that is more precious than diamonds. Said that when you compare two things they have to be somewhat of the Diamonds are very but it's a you can't compare to a So it's true and that diamonds are but if you would properly understand the of Torah it can't be that's what it is. It must be when we say it's it's more from something that's What's the So this year speaking by he gets up and he says this. There was one great up and he says this. There was one great a big diamond he piped up and he said, "I'm the reason said this is cuz he never saw my diamonds." That was what he told him. So the answered him on the spot. He says, "The reason you're saying that is cuz you never saw Torah." Meaning in other words in order to properly be you have to be a as a of of of Torah. Said that that's the said that said that is more than in order to have the credentials to be able to make a statement like that you have to be a in Torah and you have to be a money. You have to understand and and you have to understand Torah. If a random person says that maybe you have to get out more maybe you have to get out more maybe you have to get out more maybe you have to get out more maybe you have to get out more maybe you have to get out more maybe you have to get Does the basically said you know who said it? The said that David was David he was David he was David as one of the David and he was also Israel he was a king. David he was a of Torah. He was a of the it was David that was able to say of Torah of Torah.