Zevachim 47

Today's daf is and we are seven lines from the bottom of me. So we began the last Mishna peric a Mishna that's really a prequel to the first Mishna Mishna discusses the basic that's doing with the whether it's like the Mishna discusses or had to have in mind proper what were the Mishna says six cabanas is if the was being brought was which are unique in that then there was a seventh had to have he had to have a mind that it was brought the first really picks up where this leaves off and that is what happens if a had a So over there is that when we say that you know and when we say that it doesn't mean of any of the mentioned in the Mishna it means only of verse two what the sug referred to So if would bring meaning he messed up in if he bring it would be possible as well. If he's bringing Ruven's carbon and he has in mind sh then is not going to be possible regardless is going to discuss some more as it relates to as it relates to we're going to have a very big in this morning's that's going to lend itself to some really either way. So that's the first mission of the issating that if the was bringing the carbon and he had in mind but not a different type of carbon but rather when he was bringing the carbon he had in mind that he's bringing it. So then already about but doesn't have the ability to be achar attempted to explain Rav's and got sidetracked with a whole bunch of complicated but is what the Gmorra quotes right here and that is that it's true but only if it was a different car but if it was and has nothing to do with it's so who said this in the name of from our said that even though there's but is and not just that doesn't even want you to think because the is going to think he may trip up and he may accidentally think but it sounds like from the only possible would be if the Not a m of sto but there was some bad even if it's sounds like from the mission it's going to be possible it's not I don't know if it's a said meaning and it's a good if it sounds like that is going to be it's only that's but if there's some level of even if it's going to be poss that is says you have to know what kasher means. Does kasher mean kashu or does kasher mean kasheri was discussing kasher kasha that's only because is going to be but it's going to be so it's not a ste is discussing where it's going to be okay it's going to be it's a 100% legitimately good carbon that's only true if it was done with when said is going to be heer. It's like it's the is that here it's a narrow isle then it's going to be but it's so it's not a is discussing the is discussing meaning is distinguishing between a that was brought with the with that I want it to work as if it's versus a that's doing the and he thinks that when he brings the carbon he's actually bringing so it's not that he knows he's bringing he's just doing it with he actually thinks that he's bringing so said although it's true said in the name of that so even but it's only that's going to be possible is going to be but it's only if he knows he's bringing a he just has in mind the of but let's say he thinks he's bringing there it's going to be possible and the reason it's going to be possible is because then he has a of a and a mass we know is as if he didn't do the so here too it will be as if he never did the so what's a massic mass is that a person hears but didn't realize he was listening A person's leading creation, but they didn't even realize he was leading. So if you do something not even realizing what it is you're doing, then even if you hold mitzvah, you have a den of a is that it's as if you didn't do it. So if the is doing a but he doesn't even realize he's doing a he thinks he lo and behold, he was shocking. So that's already a game changer. That's a whole different story because that has nothing to do with now already you're running into issues of that's an issue that permeates the bottom line is it's true is going to be that's the knows he's bringing it's just a question of his but is going to be possible says how do you know is in fact possible when it comes to how do you know that if somebody does the inim and he's So let's learn that from it says to be at the very least the has to know what he's doing. So who was the one that asked the question to Rafa told him I we knew this I mean I didn't need you for that. My question was how do you know that it's meaning if a is how do you know that the carbon is going to be possible and the only way it's is if there's a second based on the principle of told I know that my question was is there a secondar said there is a secondar it says and we learn from there either way the last line of the Mishna said seemed to say something very very innocent He said that when he does the he has to very be very careful can't have the wrong and as a result it's actually better for not not even to think because although but and it's better for him to just be with and not be to think because what's going to happen if he thinks he might slip he might trip there's remember the when he discusses the there's some twists and turns where maybe you can get tripped up somewhere just forget don't think like this you're not going to think you'll be with stumble and concluded the with a line I'm talking to you the I'm talking to the because it's your vote that matters your is the that has an ability to possible carbon now at first glance you would say after learning 45 of is not saying such a big kish nothing we should get that excited about of course it's the that's doing the that has the ability with his to make a carbon plea whether or whether it's stating that says this line that said it is actually not like that if Ruven brings a carbon to the she passes over to the for them to do the Ruven the Bim has an ability with his voice to create pigle meaning if wall the kayan's doing the avoid the carbon I'm sitting in his living room the carbon maybe but the carbon has in mind that the avoid should be done that would be enough to render the carbon pick for that from the following it says the mac is the bala carbon and we see that it's referred to as carbon for exactly what the lim is but the bottom line it's his carbon to a certain degree on what level do we look at it as his carbon that he's the one that has an ability to be methodical so said even though at first glance it would seem to be obvious as the it's actually not like who said that this of that could be doing the and the have an ability to have a pigle is not the only one that's a little tricky. It's all hold that it's possible for one person to do something another person to have a and that somehow will create a meaning you can marry one person's with another person's to to make things happen says we just said the context is there's a concept of whe that's where was discussing whether it's of maybe as well but the bottom line is there's a concept of even though the is not the one doing the but they have an ability to be limited holds that if somebody would for a guy. We're not talking about he would is even though he is stroll is the one that'sing and he had pristine when he went and still the carbon not the carbon the animal that he just slaughtered is going to be considered ple because it's viewed as it's based on an idea that even and being that the owner of this animal this is a guy. So we're concerned that maybe while the yid was shacking the animal, the guy had in mind that it should be. Now at first glance, you got to tell me who cares what the guy was thinking. If the guy is the one that'sing, then we care what the guy is thinking. But over here is the one that's doing it for a guy. And still we say that being that is going to be a problem. So what do you see? So that's the second time that is the third time. We'll repeat it. But the in the context is the 39th of the which is the topic of the first of. So we know what the is stating that not anytime you carry something on chabas are you going to be the only time you're is if you carry something meaning if you would carry something that's considered not you wouldn't be not just that even if you carry something if it's a sheer that's not that would also be enough to say that you're not going to be ent follow if Somebody carries something that people are not it's not people wouldn't usually hide it or it's something that is but he carried a that's not considered but somebody now decided that he's going to be so it's something that people the in general is not but one person Ruben decided and then went who was not really the thing that he carried and he carried carried it. So again it's something that most people are not one person he decided this is so he put it away he was now somebody else who's not that carried it so is says the person that carried is going to be because even though he himself is not of this item but being that somebody was and you carried that person's item so that's enough to give it that now going to be what do you see says It's the same concept. One person had a and the other person went ahead and the other person carried it and that's enough from so we have three that all said the same three different one said it in the context of the other said it with regards to the and the third one was said in it says everybody's going to hold meaning even though all three said that's based on the same principle it's not necessarily that they will all hold of each other so That's the arithmetic that the gumar is going to go through right now. Everybody agrees with the one that said that if it works with regards to Shabas says if it works with regards to certainly it's going to work with regards to and with regards to why is it that it would work with regards to and those things says because it says so is more potent when it comes certainly when it comes to and for sure when it comes to the realm who said it regarding he was the one that said it's not that he's going to hold of the other two it's not he's going to hold when it comes to maybe it's only true maybe it's not true in the of the where it says in the maybe here you have such other places not as it relates to who was the middle he was the one that said the regarding is he's rebel because he was the third he was the one that said it regarding chabas so he's going to hold the reb So if you said it by certainly going to say it's not necessarily bottom line is all the just did was that there were three that seemed to say the same. One said it with regards to the other said it with regards to and what the said is is that there's to say why you would say it by one and not say it by the other. The one where it's the most obvious to say this is by because it says in the there's a concept of of so it makes sense there's an ide so just because the said that he would hold the same when it comes to or hold it when it comes to if you hold it by that was the names all are so similar so it's easy to trip up here. We said it with regards to Shabas with and has nothing to do with it's not even it doesn't even resemble still you say that concept of certainly you're going to say it with regards to the other two cases where the is not sure what the GRA says is a little bit of flexibility was the middle who said it with regards to so he said regarding kosh as it relates to where it says in the however at the same time it's not that he would say it as it relates to and on that note so we know there's different types of carbonas and each carbon has its own of exactly how the carbon was supposed to be brought and addresses that had to be brought on the toughen side of What's the definition of toughen? So, we've had it already a few times. The three-way m is whether sen means literally to the north of the misb or is it even the area that's north of the misbeh or is that it's the entire sign not only north of the towards the but even north of the in the opposite direction regardless then the gives examples of kados they were they were two of the Five has to be it has to be as well. The There were special there were meas we know one mand said one mand said but the is there were 43 that were done 16 of them were done 16 of them were done on the balance of them were all done on the so of the one set that was another set any one of these is that's why Briskarov said his that even though held that ordinarily said that you can't be when it comes to for that reason when it comes to of the even though the of this carbon was all that was done on the Those are the other three and again it's going to So all the on the of the two that were brought in was in addition to them having on the alo simply only went he only went to the when it comes to dear to each what they do with the of And there too they poured it on the by definition means that the bustel was burnt. So where did they burn the baser? So again the paran had two parts to in terms of what they did with the bos just like every carbon did every carbon some of the buster was eaten some of the baser was burnt. The part of it had the mitzvah of but the ordinarily would be eaten over here. It was nisra. Where was it? It was on the besie says that was a place outside of where they used to take the dash as in the trumadashen. They would burn it there. That's why it was called the badash. It was in that same place that they would burn the paranas. So the Mishna again is going to begins to describe all the different carbanas and the of each one of these carbanas. It begins with that soften that's the headline and then we immediately start discussing subcategories. We immediately start discussing types of gadash and what was the initial types of that initial discuss it discussed it's really where I left off. So the what the refer to as the additionally the refer to as the list makes up the five that additionally these had additional carbon dam. What were the additional in the case of the someone 16 someone on the 16 as it relates to the other they had seven on the four on the in contrast to the br only one is he says by the was brought two is the were always brought in and the says The was the where did they actually burn the animals? It wasn't burnt at the base of but as the Pik says and they used to burn it in the same place that they burnt the begins with a the Mishna gives a a general statement to really launch this entire it's notice it doesn't say anything about then when it starts going into the details of the specific then we already stopped talking about how come in the heading it doesn't say anything about shouldn't it have said because being that included in is a it's one type of asham it's gadash and an ashamra is a type of an asham And by the with his hand, not with so that reason left it out. If we would say, it would sound like every single carbon that's requires. It's not true doesn't require a to the contrary says, "Is that even true? It's actually later when the is going to discuss the so it didn't say it says as follows. It's true the that some of the not so therefore he left it out and that's why we didn't want this general statement but at the same time but being that some of the needed a that's why it was mentioned in other words the is going to explain this let's just pick it out outside first what the is going to say is that they're Both true some of the dam of the cababala happened but some of the dam of the kabala happened beyond being that some of it happened beyond that's why sh in our we don't want to make this general statement of it's not true there is a where you could do by kadash and it's not going to be because some of the d of but at the same time there's also that sometimes the d of the does require So it was omitted because we felt it would be a little bit misleading. It would sound like all the dams and that's not true. But at the same time we didn't mention it when we said cuz some meaning some of the dam did require some of the dam did not require where do we know this from? It's a surprise. It says in the context of the I would have thought I would have thought that all the dam even the dam that's going to go in the when the does the he should do it requires a comes out meaning on the one hand we It sounds like you do. And then again, we seem to have a over here. Says, "How do you reconcile this? ate some that did the one did the another did the what did he do with his he put it on the that's the what did he do with his dam he put it on the but the bottom line is there was and that's why you have these contradictory in the because in reality they're actually both Jews >> the following raid bite originally recorded on sot the daf test is relevant to the sug found on today's daf and is therefore being included here as well. So we're discussing now the carbon that the brought specifically the of the relative to the drinking of the if you look at the it's very very confusing on the one hand thera says and then afterwards the talks about bringing the but then right after the terra talks about bringing the says So first the hashka then the first then the in the final analysis it was now everybody agrees that the only time the was able to have a hashbah on this in the event that she was either innocent or guilty was if the carbon was brought me even though there's a sheet that holds mash But that's posh that until the carbon was brought drinking the in of itself did nothing. You needed the carbon in order for this to work. Right? That's there's no whether or not you needed the and you needed the in order for this to play itself out. Say that for meaning if you hold and you bring the then she drinks there's nothing else to do. So at this point you're holding by the now it's all over. We finished the parish. Okay. So in the event that she's guilty says bit etc etc. If you hold after she drinks the situation is suspended which we know that this could happen. We saw already. So there's an idea that just because she drinks doesn't mean it's going to happen right this second. Everything is on hold. You're gonna bring the carbon mah and only after the carbon m is brought will this whole play itself out. How do we know this? It's before the says that the whole of the carbon was it was or in the it was the carbon played an integral role in us knowing whether or not this woman was innocent or this woman was god. So with that posha introduction there's akasha that raises angel wrote a whole safer about sov angel like mccuger who was mentioned earlier in the d wrote many many many many and one of thear that he wrote is called and the sures is 80ut to aasha that he says he heard say I heard of kasha and wrote 80 to So what's the kasha that wrote a whole safer about it's a real kumasha. There's a man in it's who holds that we know that if a does the and he has piggle at the time that he does the is it's going to pass the garbage. Who's the one that would have to have the pickle? It's the co the coin that's doing the avoid. He's the one that would have to have the stating that said that is you have a woman she's in the she knows she's guilty but she doesn't want to admit it she wants to stay married she doesn't want to get divorced she doesn't want to lose her so she's actioning okay We have it all figured out. She's going to drink from the me and when she's going to drink from the me if she's guilty then says bit and we're trying to dissuade her as much as possible ruain she's going to drink. Okay, she's going to lose out, right? She has an you know what the is? The only way the is going to be is if you bring the carbon the it's the is doing the she'll have a she'll have in mind that the so she's going to have a pigle so that it's going to come out that the carbon's going to be ple the car will be ple no one's going to know it's possible by the way the only one that's going to know is her and she will know that the carbon's posit that it doesn't have the ability to be mascara right if a non would do the would it be of course not you HAVE TO BRING UP cash like this it won't be she'll go home scotfree it's such a I heard this cushion that holds an every that's Let her be mash is piggle at the time that the k is doing the it's going to knock out the there's no even if she drinks from the it's not going to be p on her and if that's the case like this she'll be able to get out of it wrote 80s and there's a whole sim to answer this so I just want to mention a few of the I'm going to go through this very quickly now a lot of these I didn't go through all of them but if you go through these this is classic meaning this tremendous this pilp this karifus this dukim It's vintage but just to get a t and a little bit of a flavor and again I'm being mocked in these but just to get a little bit of a an idea of we'll start with the first terrorist that angel says is that the is this whole idea of is a very big why is it aes because the is I can't make something that's not mine you can't sell something that's not yours. You can't do anything really to something that you don't own. If that's the case, who owns the carbon on somebody owns it? If that's the case, how is it that says I want to say that when said he was talking about because he held like that holds that is and being that it's bin so you are a bum in it and if you're a bum in me you have the ability to be now you can ask me but as relates to kach kadashin which nobody holds as m and bin you don't even So over there the B wouldn't be able to the carbon is every and if that's the case he said there's no B when it comes to the he said now you're going to ask me that if the can't be by because of the fact that it's not why could the beagago what's the difference between the bum and the the should be able to do it of angle there's a ran where the says quote there's a that even though he says it's like a gold button like Rashi said earlier in that as it relates to the who's doing a he's doing the over there he could be even as opposed to as it relates to the bim the bim And the Bible is not doing where that holds the column his mom. So over there but as it relates to the carbon there it's not going to work. Now just to speak out one k that needs a little bit of beer and that is when said that a person that's bringing a carbon for example because it's not considered the bum he doesn't mean that you're not really the bum because we know that one of the means means that the instead of having a mind this right had a mind a different angle means is carbon is the balon is the bom of the carbon but it's not a mist it's more of a a basis that the effect the whatever is supposed to come from this carbon is going to belong to me but in order for me to answer it I would have to have a m I would have have a moment and for that already I don't have by kadashim nobody holds you have and as a result you're going to be stuck based on of That's his first terret. Second ter the fifth terret there's where the says that the only time a person can have a piggle is if it's quote this is the it has to be a that's and there's a long brings head on pigle requires It means is that the be that you're going to do whatever you're going to do in a that is a place where you can eat where you could be and also a place where you can do but says that what it means is that the itself has to take place the as opposed to someone that was a but at the same time if a person would be standing he's not in a and he would have ag because the person that's being standing has to be a fangle in his fifth that according to this it's we're going to make sure that the woman is not going to be in if she's not going to be in just like the has to be in order for her to be invigor so what we're going to do is we're going to take her out of the makaz she won't be standing there won't be standing there so like this you don't have to worry about this whole issue terv the 15th terrorists just to get a little sampling here the 15th terret that angle said to this murder the terret He says the the maka in this kasha was making a han the is that the woman is the one that's bringing the carbon. Is it so pos that she's the one that's bringing the carbon? So if you look at the pik the pik says the carbon the husband the that's obviously the husband the carbon he should bring her carbon on her bef. So it sounds very much from the that who's really the one that's bringing the carbon. It sounds like he's the one that's bringing the carbon. Em is if you look in the in the says like this right the says you bring the carbonas. It says there is a perish on the beginning of the P. What did the beginning of the Pik say? That he should be the one that brings the carbon. Why? So the Pik is giving the time of the car. Why is he bringing the carbon? She should be the one bringing the carbon because the whole of the carbon is it's to clarify and to find out whether or not and to be masquer he's taking revenge. He's exposing his wife. That's what's going on over here. And it's for that reason he's the one that brings the card. But the bottom look at the he says it in a different no it sounds like the heavy carbon like he's the one that brings the carbon says if he's the one that brings by the way in today's so who did the trufa she's the one that did the so it's not so but this to say that really he's the bum of the carbon and if he's the b of the carbon then who's the one that would have the mashabel she anyways would not be the one that be allowed to have the mashabel and if that's the case that's ter that's the 15th the 15 it's going to be mosha the 18th terrace of makes a tremendous in says like this I want to say I want to say that the only time holds that's if the when he was doing the he had no so the was he had no but let's say the was doing the and he had a that I am going to fear then even if the would have it wouldn't work. If you look at Rashi says and then the it's going to be able why Rash need that line. What's it necessary? You'll tell me what do you mean? That's the whole point. The point is that the co didn't have the mash. She had the mash or he had the obviously that's what's going on over here. If he had bigle then it's of course. Why did Rashi have to speak out? It's a fest. You know Rash is coming to say that the only time it was but the minute that the would have a note is that's from ready then there'd be no more anymore for that's the 18th that's he wants to say is only if you have no so we're going to make sure that the going to have a real proper if the can have a proper like this you're not going to have an issue There's two more of that we know in different places and there's a lot of raid on this discuss what is means right you had a suffic bunch of places that it could be piggle is not enough you'd actually need a word you have to say the mash and if you don't say the mash it's not going to be okay so angel said that if you hold that mash's piggle has to be a debour then it's very posit we're going to have sh and the sh are going to be watching this try and we're going to make sure that she doesn't say something now let's say she says something anyways and she says it then she's an easy then she's anyways going to lose out but the whole point is she could have right only knows the of a person but the ter is if you need to speak the then it's very easy you're going to watch her watch her every move and we'll see what she's going to do one more ter number 37. We know that if somebody says one thing and has in mind and said we're going to tell the woman, you have to say the following. Read after me, right? Say these words. I hereby have a everything she done whatever exactly the is going to be. Now what are you worried about? Maybe she was thinking fed. Who cares if she was thinking f? Even if she was thinking it's going to be and is buton we just mentioned five of the 82 with his great and his great in but I just want to mention one postcript and that is there's a called and he brings that he found in one of that they asked this they asked of this for that wrote a whole said the terret is posit based on we're not holding enough in but said is so what's it from from the beginning is you're doing a and you have a mind to either eat do this we do this if it's a carbon. So you had in mind to do either the which is the equivalent of a regular carbon or to eat the right that would be the pig said based on that that's the only time a person could have a mash is if the was doing the was being for something that he himself could control. So this is something that you have control over. It's something that you're a balabos to do or not to do. So then you can have a soen who's doing and he has a mind to do this he could do this he's a right he has the credentials to do he has a mind to do he could do so there's going to be how exact what is her what is she going to do the is going to be doing the on she's going to have a mind that what that I'm going to do the she's She can't do that. Oh, she's going to have a mind that is going to do it. How could I have a mind that someone else is going to do? That's the You can't have a that's going to say that someone else is going to do SOMETHING WRONG. IT DOESN'T WORK. SO, there's no way for that to be. Oh, I know what it's going to be. She's going to have she's going to eat the is and if you say only men are allowed eat it. So there's no of this that she has any control over and as a result you can't have a say it's where the had that he's going to eat let's say which some of you guys allowed or but the bottom LINE IS IT'S WHERE HE'S to be able to do it BUT TO THE EXTENT THAT YOU HAVE NO CONTROL you have no over what's going on over here so it's that this is that this is not going to The emis when we learn we spoke this out he said over this you saw it I found a rash the rash is a it's a it's a really it's a one line the base has right obviously right is a and there's a whole if a is a not right because you don't see the so that's a whole and it's a it's a base only a coin can have a mash pickle could also have a pickle. How so? You can have that bizarre. So why is it why did say the same anyone that was why usually it's doesn't have to be he said that the only time avid is to the extent that you're having a for something that you yourself are able to do but to the extent that you can't do it so then nothing it's It's not going to be considered. What could a Zar do other than so could he's going to have a pickle? What would be the pickle to do the he can't doar to do this? He can't do this. The only he could do is he could eat. What could he eat? He couldn't eat IF HE'S DISCUSSING A MAZIK. IF YOU WOULD HAVE THAT, THEN YOU'RE GOING TO YOUR OWN CAR. SO THE ONLY WAY IT WOULD ever be but you're not going to be a because it would have to be yours. That's why the handling it's the so just to end now we're really ending but just end I'll tell you that I found and I left the safer but oh so I just found that this Indian there's a safer called Mishy. We call it from the Mish Levy a lot. It's from Schulzinger, one of the Benraham of the Makur with the stipler for those that know. But the bottom line is he wrote many many forum and unfortunately they're very very hard to get. So I recently got a hold of the Mish Levi Maduro Maduro is available Maduro you need for but the bottom line is this Maduro and I found it and Madur I'm sorry and it's sim this is in Simba I looked I said maybe he brings he of kasha the whole sim is on kasha and he brings a he found in one of the for so it seems that this had brought this kasha maybe this is of referring to just to close the loop on the story. He says like this. So said I received a letter from the great quote. This is talking to the Listen the way he handled the question. This was his said but he said so to me the Fore the man. This terrorist 80s said it's to me the terret is based on pickle has to be something you control over but if you have no control over it's wrote to the I saw Saw one of your so many but I saw one of your that you brought this kash in Berlin maybe he's the mart to this whole kasha but I'll go upon him he said to me the right more recently I will stop