Zevachim 84

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Today's d is and we are at the two dots about 15 lines from the bottom of so yesterday at the end of the do after the raid we began the ninth and perk madesh deals primarily with one theme and that is a carbon that's possible there's some that rendered this carbon now unfit to do the in the event that of that carbon makes contact with the misbeh because of the kadusha that the misbay gives this puzzle is if it goes on the it does not come off the misb in terms of Whichulim this is true for which this is not true for that. We're going to see it's the second mishna in the peric. We're going to see a lot of details, a lot of is a lot of lumbus as it relates to this basic but again is a dustle that comes in contact with the misbeh what's it doing on the stating that is if it goes on the you're not supposed to remove it from the we saw three in the in terms of when exactly you say the said only a part of the MSB that a part of the carbon whose was to go on the fire of the MSB such as the of or the any of the carbon that was supposed to go on the fire of the MBH there the if it touches the MSB it doesn't have to touch the fire but if it touches the misbeh it's going to be a whereas if it was a something that had a dent to go on the misbay but not on the fire of the misbak such as dam went on the misbeh of the still is going to be shim was a third said that the only time you say that's only a of a carbon That's but something that's because of something else you don't have. So for example somebody's so itself is so the whole even the like said will be however the used to come together with the carbon that was the wine that was poured on his behalf. So the being that it's so the would be if somebody however would be so then the would be so according to Yeshua it's limited to anything that had a to go on the of the according to everything has the most inclusive anything that has a to go on the misb it's possible it makes contact with the says it depends. He doesn't limit it to the but what he limits it to it has to be that's so if it's not if it's for example what's the to the so the already spoke out the Mishna said that they both learned their from the right at the beginning of And the felt that the words are extra and he is coming to teach me something that goes on the notion but something that goes on the even though it wasn't supposed to have gone on the but he you're allowed to keep it on the what's the Yeshua says it says he The m was the that was the so this is only true if it's royally says it's true it says but right afterwards it says so is not limited to but rather it is included in anything that's the mentioned to the Mishna did not mention the so today's d picks up with a bryo that is going to do two things number one it's going to tell us the additionally it's going to introduce us to two additional shittas in the tan and then the Gmorra is going to make with the fiveas says it's the par of the carbon and we learn from there just like meaning you don't bring a carbon when you have a to bring something else. You bring a carbon when you're when you have to bring a carbon. So too the only time you have that is if it's a part of a carbon that's as opposed to that some carbon is required being that those although it's a part of a carbon that goes on but you're bringing it because you have a to bring a carbon I have a to bring an so now I'm I'm bringing with my it's you don't have that wasn't mentioned in the Mishna is mentioned in the is from the fact that the mentioned the of in the context of the is a fourth he says that the is not but rather it's and the Torah says mention the in its entirety you should is going to be not just hell that that is the even that touches the becomes you would think from that or even so if you look at the next in par it says just like a sheep something that's meaning you would have thought that if there's maybe anything meaning anything that touches the becomes how do you know that it's only something that's royal from the calladesh I don't know it where I know it is from the next because the very next talks about sheep sheep is an animal that's a kosher animal. It's so from I know that it has to be says he too learns that the madesh is that passing upon how does he know that it's only so if you put something random on the you put a rock on the it doesn't get kadush so he knows it from a different a few later also in parish it says so the over there is talking about a carbon says just like a carbon or something that's so the only time is going to be true is if the thing that touched them is so in other words and both learned that the is not it's from being that it's such an inclusive PK you would have thought that maybe includes Even something that's not to the misbehad say that no how do you know not says because the next talks about sheep a sheep is it has to be to a sheep it has to be says later it says the word something that's it has to be something that's if I know from if I know would What about an we? We learned the whole paragraph already. What would be if you would have an that's possible that learns it from? So includes it includes an as well. So there's no reason that an should be excluded. However learned it from the word it's not enough that it's it has to be similar to a sheep. And just like a sheep is a so it has to be but an is not going to have that of it says learns it from doesn't the say later and it's interesting the feels that he's going to have to do something with the word as it relates to this so what does he learn from the word he said soft likes of had it only said I would have thought even if the kev is alive a live animal that touches in Maybe there too you have. So that's why the said that it has to be in in a state where it's it's ready to go on them that it has to be from it says in the next again thinks that each one is somehow to the other one's tasty but each one has to acknowledge the other one's so what's going to do with the word because had it said and not I would have thought is inclusive Maybe all maybe anything that's on them to teach me that it's true and even it doesn't have to beim literally is inclusive but is also exclusive and it's that is going to be excluded. The bottom line is what comes out is both according to and according to that learn that the is not but rather it's the passing of they're both going to agree that a does not have the because according to it's not even an if an doesn't have au certainly is not going to have and Even Rabbi who didn't to be he but he too acknowledged that the word is coming to be something and what's it coming to so is that is going to be excluded if you go back to the and for that matter there's no reason there's no in the world to be because the was he anything that's on them on the you used to take the and you'd put it on the you would burn it even though the of the corresponded to the dam of the ze and the dam didn't go on the mar but the kits did go on the mar so at the end of the day that's what you used to do with it you used to put it on the misb and you used to burn it on the so according to the all the even who says there's no reason to exclude because the is something It's even royally and if it's with so it seemed then a very obvious between the and the would be what's the with regards to do you have the do you not have the according to the is it's hey according to the where you have the word that's throwing for a loop here as a result is certainly it's also but it's definitely that's exactly what the next law says what's between the ice according to the of the way we just spoke it out. Now why did say what's the emphasis of it's referring to the first line on the top of that because the said what does mean because everybody agrees the biggest liberal as it relates to what's included in would agree that at the very least it has to be royal if you have a that was never clean or at you ready you can't keep on the that for sure is going to be excluded that's certainly not allowed on the so this said on the top of the that was explaining between the he just emphasized so is going to do a little bit of back of the envelope arithmetic for us again we have fiveon as it relates to the and really the broke it up into the our namely Yeshua that I mentioned the first of the per and the that's mentioned in the BRA and the Gmorra is just going to have some fun now within between these five different opinions says the if Somebody is bringing a ma a that's and it's talking specifically about a incidentally the reason a was referred to as a it's not because the carbon was a carbon there was a carbon called a carbon meaning wine was brought with carbon but if somebody wanted he could bead wine as a carbon and the entire carbon would be the wine was called because part of the was wine. There was wine that came along together with the mk. So either way we're discussing a what's known as a where it's you're not bringing the together with a carbon and a had to come along with a you're not bringing the because you're bringing a carbon it's so what's according to all the it's going to be with the exception of it according to is going to be what's the math according to Yeshua and it's going to be why not it's so for sure is it's going to be went on the said it has to be this is a so it's only the so from doesn't have what that's coming together with a carbon. You're bringing an and you have to bring are you going to have or not? The different Yeshua because has a regular bit of hold it's always Yeshua holds it has to be it is goes on the fire but according to everybody else according to it's a why because it's a and according to the price again it's a why because third case what about somebody was and according to everybody it's going to be so according to the it's because just like as well so is going to be according to in the Mishna the is going to according to Yeshua in the Mishna the is also going to Why? Because it's not very good. It goes on. It's like that. So being that it's not going to be according to and according to Shim, it's going to be according to it's going to be because it's always and according to it's also going to be because never limited to or not. What he limited it to was this is therefore is going to be this is all very together with so you have according to everybody it's going to be it's only then it's going to be let's work backwards according to the it's going to be because it's excluded from according to it's going to be according to Yeshua it's going to be because it's not it didn't go under fire it's only according to where is going to be you want to know we're only who again is has the most liberal understanding of when you say when you have this concept of of it's going to play itself outlish, you know, put together some fun facts, but this is all things that we could have figured out. There's not one that said other than the fact that he did the math for us. Why did have to do this? There's one in everything said that wanted to teach us. You know wanted to teach you what the kadesh is notes. This is really a that he could have said in some other place in he wanted to tell us as a concept of that was one of his variables that he discussed. What would be according to which he wanted to teach us the mere fact that there's a concept called it was not so that you could bring a it's a very unique type of so it's not so that there's even such a concept is such a concept but the says if that's the case talk about taking the long route and a having a roundabout way of saying something very simple If wanted to come into his maj one day and wanted to say there's a if somebody wants he could be there was something called it came together with but you don't have to bring it with you could decide that I want to give and you can bring it and it has and that's probably what instead had something called this bra Some learned it from Paris, some learned it from parab five different 18 different permutations. You should know one of the things I mentioned was you see there's something called that's what I want you to know. That's the takeaway says that's wanted to teach me should have just taught us. You're right. really what is wanted to teach was a that very much relates to and that is if someone brings which was one of the cases that is discussed what would be so we know the is we've had it ready a few times we learned from the we learned from there that you didn't have to bring the you could bring the zebra today and then tomorrow it's okay. You would have thought the whole carbon has to be brought together doesn't have to be brought together. So what would be if somebody's bringing but he's not bringing it the same day as the he brought the on Sunday and he's bringing the on Monday according to where the is if it's when you bring those the next day do you look at it as because it's or no being that you're bringing it on another day so maybe you Don't look at it as so if it became possible what would be the according to I would have thought that you could bring the next day. So maybe if you do bring it the next day, you should look at that always considered by even if you're bringing it the next day. So that according to the is always going to be so the again theme of the per is so if you have a dove apostle as long as it's al be it with the five different of is going to be now is that true for every single meaning it doesn't matter how the carbon became possible is always going to be or are there some exceptions to the role. We're going to see now it's the following are and this was already mentioned earlier. If you look at the a carbon that was or if it was we spoke a lot about that the last two days a carbon that became or the carbon is pig or if apostle was or apostle so any one of those the carbon is poss So you can't complete the can't do you can't do you can't eat stating that was done or if I'm also so says there are three exceptions to the rule when I'm also says, "No, even those three cases that you hold are exceptions to the rule, I hold any time the means any that happened in the if it wasn't a soul that happened in the Azor or said differently, it's not a soul that had to have happened says, "I'm gonna help you." I'll give you some examples of aesha. If the animal was either or it was set aside, it was actually used for it was used as an it was swapped for a dog. and it was born cician or if it was any one of those cases these are that's not happens in theor says that's those are all but where it's not it's a it was trampled the says that's where the tra usually takes place these are notes meaning that that's what is going to So one of the things mentioned was said that my father used to be. So what happens if you have uh carbon that's possible the carbon is now on the im it's everybody holds that it's going to be now it came off the m do you say that once it touched the it got so now even though it came off the I can go ahead and put it back on the or not says the have to know what is but just like also that if it goes off the you can't put it back on the if the animal went on the top of the you should skin it like you do with every and you should too. The Gammor is going to discuss this in very great detail either way. So we have when exactly you say when you say according to it seems that it's always with three exceptions and those are the three times where according to it it depends on is it or is the name is if it's when is and then the mentioned what's the regarding said is because it's an animal doesn't have to get a said it's interesting if you take a Look at the ram and so the ram says that is like that even though but we don't pass like so he asks that we know the says that is always like so is always Why did the rab asking over here like where the is over there is discussing a completely different what they used to do with some of the leftover it's related to and it's the ask so is always like why did the rakin like and he says a beautiful I don't have it in front of me but he says it could be that being there and worked in the Bikto he was the the very famous as a result he was more bucky in these things and that's why even though ordinarily when it comes to he was says why you giving the with me give it better to his greatness and learning was unparalleled but on a practical see he knew what the was he knew whether the should be that you take those leftover and use it for this or if you use it for that. So in the same vein the ram's like I mean it was a he brought from a from a real life story that that's what happened he brings incidentally in that same piece does brun that he heard from Shapiro founder of amongst other things that why the scan what's this he said presumably because when did serve he served the Bay and during Bay there was a lot of turnover with the Khan so he wasn't just a scan he was there were many but he himself always remained the which reminds me of something we spoke out once from the office that's a perish that he wrote on on so that there should be peace in the government so he says something very nice he says that was always the he goes down as he was vice president for like 30 years. So it's it's very rare. I mean you would have thought at some point he would have ran for president and probably won. Why do go down in history as the scan the second in command right the ra when he describes the kod he says he was like the which essentially meant he didn't have any responsibilities but if something would ever happen to the presidents and then the vice president becomes the most powerful man in the world. It's the same thing. The the kangle didn't have any major stellar, but at the same time, if something would happen to the he would step into his shoes and he would now become the so guy was always the he was always this. He says the probably is cuz he served in and he had you become old school, right? You had to show up in a briefcase. That's how you became the god. You had to pay for it. People paid their way in. The gar tells stories about, right? That was the way you became. He says maybe he didn't have money or more likely probably didn't want to pay to be the he want to get involved in this kind of corruption. But the bottom line is that's why he was always so his punch line is is what saying you would have thought this he said you would have thought that who was a victim of the system. He was a victim. Who are you paying off? you were paying off the sh that's who you paid off. you pay off the king. That's all the the the theukim and if you ever read and right this is the time of year but but if you ever read that you would it was it was so that's who you would pay off. You would have to pay off the king. So he was a victim of the corruption that happened in government. So you would have thought if he wasn't a very happy with what was going on but he understood it's not about me. The bottom line is the big picture is you need peace in the government because we don't have maybe that's why he didn't make a fuss but the bottom line is that he goes down as the but you see who he was not just as he's mentioned throughout you know was killed on the same day as so we all know the story of they were killed it's in the escar the so but on that same day it's the talks about that people used to fast on the day that they were killed. I think it's I'm not sure but they used to fast on the day that they were killed and says who was killed on that day and either way. If we have with regards to when exactly you say according you always say with the exception of those three things according to it depends that elaborates on this that's going to take us till the end of the says the is the of it's the of that mentioned in our it's paras In that there's three it says he the word he is always a mute and the is also and it's you have a par of you also have three what's in the night all three of those cases is the is also says it says those three things those were all the who mentioned in the now he asks What do you see from this line in the holds? Because who cares that you put it in the wrong place? It's a good obviously heals which by the way although when you learn the for the first time it seems like it's in but really as we've spoken out a few times already it's that is really also but either way how do you know all these cases It's always what's the real even the three things says he's continuing in the we're going to be so I would have thought you should also It also says also so you have to be but you also have to be has a long list that he's not as long list that he's but but how do you know which one to pick? How do you know what to be? etc. that the positive was but it was also the word. It makes more sense to be the exclusive to the holds. No, there are three things that are excluded. How does Rabbi know the three things that are excluded? Again, says again, so we know how mentioned in the has three, but the question is how did he know what to use those three things to be three but how do you know what to be? That's this next part of the why is the if the was you know why because the how do you know is the reason is because by you find a concept that lena is going to be what does lena mean? means that it stayed up overnight literally right so it was up overnight you're supposed to iss the sun set and now you had not done this yet the dam was officially lurim is supposed to bring at night so if the sun rises the next morning and you didn't do the murim yet so now there's absolina on these so there is absolina on there's absol every carbon had its time when you were supposed to eat it. If you didn't eat it by that time, it's what we know as the baser becomes posating that there's a different time frame in some carbon for the damim versus the of the eaten lawn of dam happens a murim always happens the next morning. You have two days and a night to eat. So if you're bringing a carbon schlom and now the im were not mktar during the night. So now it's already the second day you have the im. So the im apostle but the baser which is a piece of meat from the same exact animal is still going to be kasha. So once you find a ka there's a sad ka in the because at the same time that the werele the buser was kasher that's a reason says to say that's enough of an excuse to say it's a ka it's a crack in the it's true that right now they what's but I'll find you a ka in you know what the ka is is that this same animal has bas and the basel doesn't have lina now is going to ask in a few lines from now. That's a koola. This and the boss are just like this and it just happens to be a different man. This man didn't come yet in terms of when the should be with regards to the boss. So the gar is going to ask the kasha but for now that's what the gar is saying felt that the reason when it comes to is because there's a ka what's the ka it's possible to have an animal where there's lina on of the carbon and not have le on the other of the carbon buser on the second day there's no yet on the buser although there is on the that's why it's you want to know why is that Obama cuz I'll find you a cool as well by Obama. Is there you can be you can make Obama anywhere. There's no tobama. Rashi says in you can make even in there's certainly a ka in the in the even though there's no carbon in the world. What you could have invas but the only time of eating if you eat from a carbon that's if there was a sauce that's one of the biggest that you'd have to you'd have to do the in a carbon in order for the carbon to be pigled. Thus you find the carbon piggle it has to be brought as a carbon. So being that you find that there is a a concept of a zika in a carbon piggle albeit to make it possible and to establish but there is a in piggle that's enough to say that you find that it's possible that a carbon that was done pigle should have some what about meaning there's no byle is only with regards to the pigle And there's only of there's no but there's a heckage between that's why you're going to say as well. What about where do you find that apostle could do the we don't mean we mean we mean who can do the as long as you meet those guidelines. So, so too those is going to be says you now I know cuz all my examples of are examples of where although they're possible but you find the you find maybe a part an area in where doesn't apply or you find some other as opposed to the three things you never find is going to be those three things you don't have being that you don't have it's for that reason in those three cases is going to be but the ask what was the first thing that said you know why there's a ka in l because there's no on the second day with the column that's a ka there's bas you just have another day to eat it you know why it's a moer because there's a ka what's the ka there's no y by that's a ka there's That's why there's no would be there's but it's okay. Could you bring me a for a meaning it was or it was from a case where it wasn't simply because it still does it's still it wasn't because there's no so it doesn't make sense. This can't be Rab Yehuda's makart. This is a weak mart. Soar says you're right. We know it's a weak mart. Remember said in the raud started off the he said that in the par of the parish which is all there's also three mutimas. So there's three mutim in that. The question was what to attribute the mutim to says yehud. My methodology is is that I'm going to say that anything that has any even if it's such a that you can ask a good you could ask a such as or some other that you might have but it's enough to say that when the wasba it's probably included in the reboot as opposed to the three these are examples where you don't even have that little butami if didn't have a pik he would have never gone to war with this price he would have never said I'm telling you now I hold in that should be because should be doesn't make any sense because it it's being that this is all really based on a being that it's based on a for that reason it was okay now the truth is a lot of lness that we're going to have to get to so I know we're working on a summer schedule so we'll we'll have to try to find some time that's just Hashem to figure this out but the bottom There's a lot of lumbar but it's a little premature now anyways because you know we really have to be a little bit more familiar with the gimar before we get into the lus but just to leave off with one food for thought and that is this idea of according to the oring which teaches us that so what happens of a carbon pickle These are you have to get you have to burn them. Now they wouldn't touch the misb. So what's Oh, it touched the mb. You leave it on the mah. What does he leave it on the mah? You m the You go ahead. You put it on the on the on the you go and you burn it. You m it. This idea of is it a din? It's not a hak. It's just that being that it became. So now that this kadush there's a den that you put on meaning are you being was a very big deal is is being piled tremendous things you could only do with maybe the is that when apostle touches the it now gets and you could be not shar but there's a hakra now on the stubborn possible. Well, there's no can't go ahead and be it. There's a wants to touch can't take it off now. You can't just take it off. It's where do you leave it there? You put on fire. But but not that there's a mitzvah. There's no there's no there's no. So which mahalak do you think they go with in brisk? Of course the first mahalak. So there's a and there's a meaning when you bring a carbon there's a there's two types of that you could be with a carbon and has it is really the entirety of the is more limited to perkades and we'll get into more of the lumbers this hopefully in the next couple of